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Yes apparently Greenwood, Rashford, Martial (54) have surpassed Salah, Mane, Firmino (51) for goals this season.Out scored Liverpool's front 3 in all comps apparently.
Edit: Damn.
Yes apparently Greenwood, Rashford, Martial (54) have surpassed Salah, Mane, Firmino (51) for goals this season.Out scored Liverpool's front 3 in all comps apparently.
Edit: Damn.
Yes apparently Greenwood, Rashford, Martial (54) have surpassed Salah, Mane, Firmino (51) for goals this season.
I think is 55 now; 15, 20 and 20.Yes apparently Greenwood, Rashford, Martial (54) have surpassed Salah, Mane, Firmino (51) for goals this season.
We're talking Sancho here. The guy who has 20 goals and 20 assists in his age 19 season.
You are probably right.I think is 55 now; 15, 20 and 20.
Nobody really to be honest. We have more options, more formations to use. The way things have panned out with the front three right now shouldn't cloud your judgement on the current state of our squad. Sancho isn't the be all and end all, but if we signed him we'd be a much better team, period.Who drops out if we sign Sancho?
Which CB and LB would you sign of we don't go with Sancho?
It's your call to underestimate the guy who just got 20 goals and 20 assists with superior technical ability, and who will be 20 years old for practically the entire next season.Honestly this place is so tedious.
No one is going to come into the club and replace Rashford. Only an idiot would want to do this.
If we sign Sancho great but our current front three are pretty fecking good. Sancho has done well at Dortmund which isn't really any comparison to tearing up the Premier League every week. He'd have to come in and prove he can do that.
Honestly this place is so tedious.
No one is going to come into the club and replace Rashford. Only an idiot would want to do this.
If we sign Sancho great but our current front three are pretty fecking good. Sancho has done well at Dortmund which isn't really any comparison to tearing up the Premier League every week. He'd have to come in and prove he can do that.
Honestly it doesn't even bother me to think Rashford will start over Sancho. None of us know the future and Rashford could do it. I just think to be that confident on the matter is ignorant to Sancho's ability also.None of our front 3 have torn up the Premier League every week, Rashford and Martial are still somewhat inconsistent. Rashford in particular often fluctuates between one of our most frustrating to best players. Greenwood hasn't had enough games to judge if he can do it every week.
Our front 3 isn't as good as either of the teams we want to compete with, so I have no idea how anyone can be against improving it if people want to actually win things and not just be in a top 4 race every year. You could easily argue Sancho is better than all of them, he certainly provides something different to the others as he's clearly by far the most creative of them, he's also the most natural RW of any of them too.
Well to be fair to @noodlehair we signed Kagawa and Mkhitaryan from Dortmund when they were tearing it up in Germany and they both failed here.It's your call to underestimate the guy who just got 20 goals and 20 assists with superior technical ability, and who will be 20 years old for practically the entire next season.
Honestly, your take is quite tedious. It reeks of United bias.
Very well said. Some people just get too exited way too easily and start throwing around hyperbolic claims. Saying Sancho is guaranteed to come here and bench any of our front 3, especially with the form they've shown or him being better than them is the sort of over the top claims you'd see and expect from the Caf.Well to be fair to @noodlehair we signed Kagawa and Mkhitaryan from Dortmund when they were tearing it up in Germany and they both failed here.
Granted Sancho is clearly more talented and has a higher ceiling but it should also be mentioned he himself is inconsistent. Even Dortmund have dropped him on occasion this season. I’ve seen him have games as bad as Rashford occasionally has.
This isn’t me saying I wouldn’t want him, I’d fecking love if we signed him but it’s not some clear cut Sancho in, Rashford out and benched without question type scenario as that poster initially said.
None of our front 3 have torn up the Premier League every week, Rashford and Martial are still somewhat inconsistent. Rashford in particular often fluctuates between one of our most frustrating to best players. Greenwood hasn't had enough games to judge if he can do it every week.
Our front 3 isn't as good as either of the teams we want to compete with, so I have no idea how anyone can be against improving it if people want to actually win things and not just be in a top 4 race every year. You could easily argue Sancho is better than all of them, he certainly provides something different to the others as he's clearly by far the most creative of them, he's also the most natural RW of any of them too.
Well to be fair to @noodlehair we signed Kagawa and Mkhitaryan from Dortmund when they were tearing it up in Germany and they both failed here.
Granted Sancho is clearly more talented and has a higher ceiling but it should also be mentioned he himself is inconsistent. Even Dortmund have dropped him on occasion this season. I’ve seen him have games as bad as Rashford occasionally has.
This isn’t me saying I wouldn’t want him, I’d fecking love if we signed him but it’s not some clear cut Sancho in, Rashford out and benched without question type scenario as that poster initially said.
I've already gone through the stats. Mkhitaryan looked like a 1 season wonder already at his peak with not much left to grow. Sancho was superior to Kagawa and Gotze.Very well said. Some people just get too exited way too easily and start throwing around hyperbolic claims. Saying Sancho is guaranteed to come here and bench any of our front 3, especially with the form they've shown or him being better than them is the sort of over the top claims you'd see and expect from the Caf.
There is a reason why Rashford is a starter for England when fit and available while Sancho isn't. While he's putting great numbers in Bundesliga, he isn't the first one to have done so, especially players from Dortmund. Mkhitaryan was pulling off assist numbers close to 30 and goals in 20 too yet he didn't turn up in the PL.
Sancho is clearly a talented kid but statements declaring him better than Rashford etc are ridiculous right now given the latter is doing it in the PL and also a starter for the national team. Some people ought to calm down. The addition of Sancho will obviously be a good thing for us but if things carry on the way they're going with Greenwood rise, I feel like they're won't be this urge and desperation to get Sancho, at least the sort of desperation where we'd be willing to match those 120m asking price.
I think the club might be willing to buy him if they feel the price is reasonable to them because they won't be as desperate to match Dortmund crazy 100m+ asking price due to the emergence of Greenwood and might seek to purchase elsewhere to strengthen the squad. Heck they could even prioritize Grealish if they feel Sancho is too expensive especially in this post corona climate
It's pretty simple. Doing it in the Bundesliga isn't the same nor a guaranty that it'll be done in the PL. I personally have faith that Sancho will cut it here because he's that talented but I'm not going to go on lengthy hyperbole and claim that he's gonna replicate his Bundesliga's numbers here or he's a better player than what we've got. He'll obviously improve us but it doesn't mean he's better than Rashford. He could be better than him or not but I'm not going to base that off his numbers from Germany alone.I've already gone through the stats. Mkhitaryan looked like a 1 season wonder already at his peak with not much left to grow. Sancho was superior to Kagawa and Gotze.
For all the talk of Sancho being inconsistent, we do realize that he has 20 goals and 20 assists in 44 appearances for Dortmund? What sort of consistency is acceptable to be labeled consistent? I feel like it's exaggerated or that Rashford doesn't go through that.
I don't really pay attention to the selection process of England. Greenwood was benched for Nketiah and Nelson. Seniority takes place at least until a while. And if that senior is performing there is no reason to bench that senior. That's the nature of the national team at least in the short term.
Very well said. Some people just get too exited way too easily and start throwing around hyperbolic claims. Saying Sancho is guaranteed to come here and bench any of our front 3, especially with the form they've shown or him being better than them is the sort of over the top claims you'd see and expect from the Caf.
There is a reason why Rashford is a starter for England when fit and available while Sancho isn't. While he's putting great numbers in Bundesliga, he isn't the first one to have done so, especially players from Dortmund. Mkhitaryan was pulling off assist numbers close to 30 and goals in 20 too yet he didn't turn up in the PL.
Sancho is clearly a talented kid but statements declaring him better than Rashford etc are ridiculous right now given the latter is doing it in the PL and also a starter for the national team. Some people ought to calm down. The addition of Sancho will obviously be a good thing for us but if things carry on the way they're going with Greenwood rise, I feel like they're won't be this urge
and desperation to get Sancho, at least the sort of desperation where we'd be willing to match those 120m asking price.
I think the club might be willing to buy him if they feel the price is reasonable to them because they won't be as desperate to match Dortmund crazy 100m+ asking price due to the emergence of Greenwood and might seek to purchase elsewhere to strengthen the squad. Heck they could even prioritize Grealish if they feel Sancho is too expensive especially in this post corona climate
Nobody said he would replicate his numbers in the Bundesliga immediately. In fact I've said so many times on here of the opposite (I don't blame you for not knowing, it's just 1 man's opinions). However, because he's only just turned 20, just like how we're expecting Greenwood to jump another level people expect Sancho to do the same. It's the nature of development for young talents. Zaha didn't come into the league smashing it, but eventually improved to a level much better than his time at United.It's pretty simple. Doing it in the Bundesliga isn't the same nor a guaranty that it'll be done in the PL. I personally have faith that Sancho will cut it here because he's that talented but I'm not going to go on lengthy hyperbole and claim that he's gonna replicate his Bundesliga's numbers here or he's a better player than what we've got. He'll obviously improve us but it doesn't mean he's better than Rashford. He could be better than him or not but I'm not going to base that off his numbers from Germany alone.
Kagawa and Miki aren't the only examples. Plenty other players, especially from Dortmund had put ridiculous numbers or great performances in a Dortmund shirt but failed to reproduce at their new destinations. Gotze, Dembele, Sahin etc. So Sancho scoring 20 and assisting 20 in Germany doesn't mean he's a better player than Rashford currently. Before his back injury, Rashford was consistently scoring in the PL.
Let's remind ourselves that this attack only costs us 58 million pounds.
Great achievement for the United academy.
It's pretty simple. Doing it in the Bundesliga isn't the same nor a guaranty that it'll be done in the PL. I personally have faith that Sancho will cut it here because he's that talented but I'm not going to go on lengthy hyperbole and claim that he's gonna replicate his Bundesliga's numbers here or he's a better player than what we've got. He'll obviously improve us but it doesn't mean he's better than Rashford. He could be better than him or not but I'm not going to base that off his numbers from Germany alone.
Kagawa and Miki aren't the only examples. Plenty other players, especially from Dortmund had put ridiculous numbers or great performances in a Dortmund shirt but failed to reproduce at their new destinations. Gotze, Dembele, Sahin etc. So Sancho scoring 20 and assisting 20 in Germany doesn't mean he's a better player than Rashford currently. Before his back injury, Rashford was consistently scoring in the PL.
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I agree with a lot of this & that Sancho won’t score 20 and assist 20 maybe even ever in the Prem but as a footballer he is on a different level to just about every footballer Dortmund have had apart from Lewandoski who was about 4 or 5 years older when he left.It's pretty simple. Doing it in the Bundesliga isn't the same nor a guaranty that it'll be done in the PL. I personally have faith that Sancho will cut it here because he's that talented but I'm not going to go on lengthy hyperbole and claim that he's gonna replicate his Bundesliga's numbers here or he's a better player than what we've got. He'll obviously improve us but it doesn't mean he's better than Rashford. He could be better than him or not but I'm not going to base that off his numbers from Germany alone.
Kagawa and Miki aren't the only examples. Plenty other players, especially from Dortmund had put ridiculous numbers or great performances in a Dortmund shirt but failed to reproduce at their new destinations. Gotze, Dembele, Sahin etc. So Sancho scoring 20 and assisting 20 in Germany doesn't mean he's a better player than Rashford currently. Before his back injury, Rashford was consistently scoring in the PL.
Really? I could have sworn Rashford had more goals in the Prem this year than Greenwood (despite being out for several months.) So how has Greenwood literally outclassed him?Marcus Rashford is not as good at footballl as you think. He's literally being outclassed by a teenager in his debut season
Really? I could have sworn Rashford had more goals in the Prem this year than Greenwood (despite being out for several months.) So how has Greenwood literally outclassed him?
It's obvious this particular fan just doesn't rate Rashford for whatever reason.Maybe he forgot all the brazilian skills Rashford executed to create goals for the team.
Or that free kick against Chelsea,
Or those goals against the top 6,
Sometimes our fans are just spoilt kids.
It's obvious this particular fan just doesn't rate Rashford for whatever reason.
Its not disrespect for fecks sake. It's an opinion on his footballing ability. This is Rashfords 5th year in the prem and greenwoods first. Rashford is not complete garbage as a footballer obviously. His finishing is average, his touch is average, his game sense is average. I could go on. How many goals does he have this season if you remove pens? I understand united fans have latched on to him as the number one representative of this version of manchester united. He's a local lad and by all accounts a good kid. He's scored some important goals for us. But he's worse than pretty much any forward that starts regularly for a top club. If your argument is tricks and free kick goals bring out the stats. Let's dissect Rashfords game. I doubt you want that though.
Good thing you’re about to re-educate the Manchester United and England managers who rate him as extremely valuable.Its not disrespect for fecks sake. It's an opinion on his footballing ability. This is Rashfords 5th year in the prem and greenwoods first. Rashford is not complete garbage as a footballer obviously. His finishing is average, his touch is average, his game sense is average. I could go on. How many goals does he have this season if you remove pens? I understand united fans have latched on to him as the number one representative of this version of manchester united. He's a local lad and by all accounts a good kid. He's scored some important goals for us. But he's worse than pretty much any forward that starts regularly for a top club. If your argument is tricks and free kick goals bring out the stats. Let's dissect Rashfords game. I doubt you want that though.
Good thing you’re about to re-educate the Manchester United and England managers who rate him as extremely valuable.
And we can re-educate Barcelona too, who according to Andy Mitten, (who has excellent connections with both teams) genuinely wanted Rashford last year before he signed a new deal.
All those Champions Leagues must have messed with their heads and made them forget what a good player is. Desert Eagle thinks Tammy Abraham would be a better punt.
Thank you for enlightening us