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Just because you dont agree doesnt make you right. All i know is more top managers are interested in Rice than Caicedo, so it feels like im on the right end of the market. Im not on the 'pretty please sign everyone who isnt English' fanbase so i dont know why that makes me a Wum when i can value the quality of a great english player to a great english club.

Look at this video on Caicedo - the guy is literally bashing & pushing in to his opponents before intercepting the ball - its pure delusion thinking that he will get that freedom at united
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Maybe use that same energy introspectively. We're clearly talking about the way you try and put your point across in threads.

He's clearly not only rated because of what he said about united, he's played extremely well against us every time we've played them and been an integral part of Brighton's midfield which has got them to Europe.
 

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Maybe use that same energy introspectively. We're clearly talking about the way you try and put your point across in threads.

He's clearly not only rated because of what he said about united, he's played extremely well against us every time we've played them and been an integral part of Brighton's midfield which has got them to Europe.
And why should i be protective over a player i dont rate just because others (mostly just fans) do? Not everyone is like that over players i rate but ive never called anyone a wum because of it. Considering we have a history of trying to sign caicedo & him saying he has a dream of playing for us - i believe that has raised some of his hype across the fanbase, though not all. The wanting of signing him happened before his good performances against us just to prove it whilst those good performances just nailed down the hype further from the time we tried to sign him for 5 million, which i would have rated as good business anyway.
 

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And why should i be protective over a player i dont rate just because others (mostly just fans) do? Not everyone is like that over players i rate but ive never called anyone a wum because of it. Considering we have a history of trying to sign caicedo & him saying he has a dream of playing for us - i believe that has raised some of his hype across the fanbase, though not all. The wanting of signing him happened before his good performances against us just to prove it whilst those good performances just nailed down the hype further from the time we tried to sign him for 5 million, which i would have rated as good business anyway.
You don't have to be protective over someone, just honest in your argument. You've already added more nuance in this post than just saying people rate him because he's linked.

Arteta tried to buy him in Jan for 70m, De zerbi is a top manager and rates him highly, it's not just United fans that rate him because we tried to buy him from Ecuador.
 

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Just because you dont agree doesnt make you right. All i know is more top managers are interested in Rice than Caicedo, so it feels like im on the right end of the market. Im not on the 'pretty please sign everyone who isnt English' fanbase so i dont know why that makes me a Wum when i can value the quality of a great english player to a great english club.

Look at this video on Caicedo - the guy is literally bashing & pushing in to his opponents before intercepting the ball - its pure delusion thinking that he will get that freedom at united
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The bit at 32 seconds is brilliant :lol:
 

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Just because you dont agree doesnt make you right. All i know is more top managers are interested in Rice than Caicedo, so it feels like im on the right end of the market. Im not on the 'pretty please sign everyone who isnt English' fanbase so i dont know why that makes me a Wum when i can value the quality of a great english player to a great english club.

Look at this video on Caicedo - the guy is literally bashing & pushing in to his opponents before intercepting the ball - its pure delusion thinking that he will get that freedom at united
^^

if anything, that video is evidence to back up why a lot of fans want to have a player with his defensive ability in utd's midfield for the next decade.
 

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I just think for us to even have a chance to sign someone like a Caicedo or Rice would require INEOS or 92 foundation to be in place as owners. Both players will leave and it's looking like one or two of Chelsea, Arsenal or Bayern will be the teams who will end up signing the players.

Hopefully there's a break through soon regarding the sale of the club.
 
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I guess I’m camping in here for the next few weeks then.
 

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I think he looks Chelsea bound and you've probably got a clear run at this deal.

I don’t know about a free run but Caicedo was definitely my first choice target this summer. Ugarte would have been a brilliant addition too but it is what it is.
 

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I don’t know about a free run but Caicedo was definitely my first choice target this summer. Ugarte would have been a brilliant addition too but it is what it is.
I think Arsenal are your only challengers and I can see Boehly's 12 year contract offer shading it in negotiations.
 

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I think Arsenal are your only challengers and I can see Boehly's 12 year contract offer shading it in negotiations.
If it’s between us and Arsenal, they seem to be distracted by the Declan Rive chase so I suppose we have an opportunity to steal a march on them now that the Ugarte deal looks like it’s collapsed.
 

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If it’s between us and Arsenal, they seem to be distracted by the Declan Rive chase so I suppose we have an opportunity to steal a march on them now that the Ugarte deal looks like it’s collapsed.
That's why I think you've got a good chance of signing him. Arsenal likely won't be able to do both deals with your owner about.

For United it's a waiting game and the Glazers have to make a decision soon on whether they want to sell or bring in minority investment.
 

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Think he goes to Chelsea now, the Ugarte miss will probably just give them more determination to land Caceido (not that it was 1 or the other).
 

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Think he goes to Chelsea now, the Ugarte miss will probably just give them more determination to land Caceido (not that it was 1 or the other).
The thing is we have a player they really want and we're refusing to sell. I have a feeling Brighton will play hardball with us over Caicedo unless we overpay massively from the start.
 

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The thing is we have a player they really want and we're refusing to sell. I have a feeling Brighton will play hardball with us over Caicedo unless we overpay massively from the start.

All our eggs seem to be in the Rice basket, not sure now who our back up will be if that doesn't work..
 
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Sign Caicedo, leave Chelsea in a financial hole, sign Mount on a free after a season of improving his form. It’s that simple.
 

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All our eggs seem to be in the Rice basket, not sure now who out back up will be if that doesn't work..
If Brighton were truly willing to sell him at £80m I suspect it won’t take long to get a deal done, but I I think they’ll insist on £90m-100m unless we include Colwill in the deal which I absolutely would not do. I’m not optimistic at all about our chances of landing him.
 

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EtH is still looking for his FDJ style player. Caicedo for 80 million is not going to be someone EtH is looking at...especially when United are somewhat under a tight budget.
I don't understand this reasoning at all. Is mason mount the FDJ-style player that we can spend 60m on him? Caicedo is more of a better fit than mount. If the budget is tight, you need Caicedo even more...he can play 6, 8, RB, CB, etc...the kid is a baller. We should be 1000% in for him even over declan rice. We always do this nonsense...we spend a ton of money on players who are not the answer.
 

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Can't believe we are letting him go to Chelsea/Arsenal unchallenged. The kid has everything to be an all action modern midfielder. We are going to regret this one.
 

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Can't believe we are letting him go to Chelsea/Arsenal unchallenged. The kid has everything to be an all action modern midfielder. We are going to regret this one.
Annoying isn't it

It's the sort of thing that suggests to me that United's scouting system isn't working. Like when Kante went to Chelsea unchallenged for example, was obvious he was going to be great and we needed him more, yet we just let him go with a whimper.

If we need a CM, Caicedo is a no-brainer for me and definitely another one we'll regret. What's more is that we're helping to fund it if we get Mount.
 

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Annoying isn't it

It's the sort of thing that suggests to me that United's scouting system isn't working. Like when Kante went to Chelsea unchallenged for example, was obvious he was going to be great and we needed him more, yet we just let him go with a whimper.

If we need a CM, Caicedo is a no-brainer for me and definitely another one we'll regret. What's more is that we're helping to fund it if we get Mount.
Absolutely annoying. It's eerily similar to the Kante situation. He'd be my top priority this summer, don't think midfield talents like him entering their prime come around very often.
 

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Annoying isn't it

It's the sort of thing that suggests to me that United's scouting system isn't working. Like when Kante went to Chelsea unchallenged for example, was obvious he was going to be great and we needed him more, yet we just let him go with a whimper.

If we need a CM, Caicedo is a no-brainer for me and definitely another one we'll regret. What's more is that we're helping to fund it if we get Mount.
We may not know the actual story. Doubt they will let everyone knows the details.
 

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He's probably considered too similar to Casemiro. A three of Casemiro, Caicedo and Fernandes lacks creativity.
He's a better passer than Fred, and we haven't had a problem with creativity with a midfield of Case, Fred and Bruno. We have had a serious problem of getting overrun in midfield without a player with Fred's engine at no.8 though, and also not having adequate cover for Casemiro. Caicedo solves both those issues.
 

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He's a better passer than Fred, and we haven't had a problem with creativity with a midfield of Case, Fred and Bruno. We have had a serious problem of getting overrun in midfield without a player with Fred's engine at no.8 though, and also not having adequate cover for Casemiro. Caicedo solves both those issues.
There is a problem with creativity, (58 goals in 38 league games) only Villa scored less out of teams in the top eight.

A three of Mount, Casemiro and Bruno makes much more sense. Mount can press, pass,score and create whereas Caicedo can't.
 

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With the budget it's basically him, Mount or Rice and it looks like the manager has chosen Mount due to his better goals and assists potential. Then another cheaper option like Rabiot will be added for free.
 

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There is a problem with creativity, (58 goals in 38 league games) only Villa scored less out of teams in the top eight.

A three of Mount, Casemiro and Bruno makes much more sense. Mount can press, pass,score and create whereas Caicedo can't.
Having a crocked Ronaldo and Weghorst starting up front for 20 games of the season has a lot more to do with the goal count. We've created plenty it's just been a hell of a lot of bad finishing. Our biggest problem has been our performances in the big games and having no cover for Casemiro, Caicedo solves our problem in these situations more than Mount. Mount as an 8 next to Bruno is better suited in the easier fixtures, the games we haven't really had an issue with this year.
 

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I don't understand this reasoning at all. Is mason mount the FDJ-style player that we can spend 60m on him? Caicedo is more of a better fit than mount. If the budget is tight, you need Caicedo even more...he can play 6, 8, RB, CB, etc...the kid is a baller. We should be 1000% in for him even over declan rice. We always do this nonsense...we spend a ton of money on players who are not the answer.
Personally I don't believe the Kane/Rice tweets...its all bs speculation.

Also I wasn't saying Mount is better fit than Caicedo for United...I just don't think EtH is a fan. Plus Caicedo would cost an absolute fortune, he isn't a cheaper option or some kind of hidden gem nobody knows about.

Just my 50p
 

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There is a problem with creativity, (58 goals in 38 league games) only Villa scored less out of teams in the top eight.

A three of Mount, Casemiro and Bruno makes much more sense. Mount can press, pass,score and create whereas Caicedo can't.
The problem is with conversion not creativity. Bruno's created more chances than any player in Europe this season. We don't have any striker to finish these chances. Also Mount isn't anything special in terms of creativity, especially this season. Caicedo actually created more chances this season than Mount did despite playing further back the pitch. Caicedo can press and pass very well. He doesn't score because it's not his job, he plays deeper because he's asked to play that role. When Mount has played deeper in cm he hasn't created or scored as much either, which is logical since you're obviously going to be more likely to score when you're closer to the goal. Caicedo is a very talented passer and I don't think you've seen him play very much tbh because you seem to think of him as just a ball winner like a Palhina when he's actually very technically good in the same way that a Rice is. He could easily play as an 8 or a 6 for us.
 

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There is a problem with creativity, (58 goals in 38 league games) only Villa scored less out of teams in the top eight.

A three of Mount, Casemiro and Bruno makes much more sense. Mount can press, pass,score and create whereas Caicedo can't.
Playing Eriksen over Mount in midfield all season wasn't the reason for scoring 58 league goals.

A proper striker and more of the ball would massively increase that number.

We need several signings and this one would be one of the best for me. I would be excited to see what ETH can/will do with Mount if we get him but if it's for a massive fee and at the expense of some of the other young midfielders that are moving this summer it's really going to sting.
 

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It would be a massive shame to lose out on him but unfortunately don't think we can afford him and have other priorities.

Like someone above said maybe Mount and then someone like Rabiot on a free would work out well for us.
 

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It would be a massive shame to lose out on him but unfortunately don't think we can afford him and have other priorities.

Like someone above said maybe Mount and then someone like Rabiot on a free would work out well for us.
Rabiot prefers not to play as a lone 6 and hasn't for a long time, I don't think it'll work out well for us relying on him in that crucial position with two attacking mids in front of him. Rabiot in his favoured position at 8 replacing Eriksen, in place of Mount, and Caicedo covering for Fred, McTominay and Casemiro, is far more logical to me.
 

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It would be a massive shame to lose out on him but unfortunately don't think we can afford him and have other priorities.

Like someone above said maybe Mount and then someone like Rabiot on a free would work out well for us.
It just seems strange because it looks like we're going to spend almost the equivalent on Mount
 
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