Mourinho: "When a player plays bad it is half me and half the player"

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..."when a player plays well it is half me and half the player".

I am posting this because people only seem to want to post things which make it seem like Mourinho only takes responsibility for the positive things that happen, and that he gives no credit to the players. It is also only those type of tweets which circulate social media, especially by people who want to see the club fail (I am referring to opposition fans and 'journalists').



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As culpable as I believe Mourinho is in not letting some players play through bad spells whilst giving others plenty of breaks - you can never put the blame solely on the manager, especially when there are questions about effort.
 
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As culpable as I believe Mourinho is in not letting some players play through bad spells whilst giving others plenty of breaks - you can never put the blame solely on the manager, especially when there are questions about effort.
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I don't think anyone does, but he's been here 2 1/2 years now. If there are still issues with this team (and there evidently are) then that's largely his responsibility. Does that excuse lack of effort/professionalism on the part of the players? Not remotely. But when performances and results are shite over a longer period of time the manager is usually the one held accountable, for good reason.
 
I would say that if a player plays badly, then that is on the player. Its the team performance that is on the manager. The tactics, style of play, the cohesion and being able to play as a team rather than disjointed individuals is all on the manager.
 
The performance of the team is always more important than any individual. A collective team performance makes it easier for the individuals to shine. A disjointed team performance can make even the best of players below par.
Ultimately over a longer period of time it's the manager who takes the responsibility for the team performance but it's the players who make the difference in the decisive moments. Missed chances for example are the players fault but if we're not creating opportunities like we've seen in many many games that's the managers fault.
That's how I see it.
 
Ace of Spades said:
I would say that if a player plays badly, then that is on the player. Its the team performance that is on the manager. The tactics, style of play, the cohesion and being able to play as a team rather than disjointed individuals is all on the manager.
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Surely all of the bolded is directly related to how well an individual performs?
 
unitedbhoy said:
Surely all of the bolded is directly related to how well an individual performs?
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People complicate football a lot. Like you've said, if everyone performs well, the team performs well. If a certain number of individuals don't perform well, it'll obviously have a direct impact on the team i.e. the team doesn't play well.

What people seem to not want to acknowledge:

when the team plays well: its because of the players and manager.
when the team plays poorly: its because of the players and manager.
 
Most of the time he deflects, so it's not like the criticisms were unfounded. This is literally the first time he admits his own fault, so credit to him.
 
Di Maria's angel said:
People complicate football a lot. Like you've said, if everyone performs well, the team performs well. If a certain number of individuals don't perform well, it'll obviously have a direct impact on the team i.e. the team doesn't play well.

What people seem to not want to acknowledge:

when the team plays well: its because of the players and manager.
when the team plays poorly: its because of the players and manager.
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the other way round .if the team plays well everyone can play well. Contrast the 1st half of Newcastle game to the 2nd half. 1st half of Chelsea game to the 2nd half. We pushed higher up the pitch and this allowed us more opportunities to score.
 
Di Maria's angel said:
People complicate football a lot. Like you've said, if everyone performs well, the team performs well. If a certain number of individuals don't perform well, it'll obviously have a direct impact on the team i.e. the team doesn't play well.

What people seem to not want to acknowledge:

when the team plays well: its because of the players and manager.
when the team plays poorly: its because of the players and manager.
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If tactics weren't important why bother having a manager? Just sent out 11 good players and tell them to do their best.

At the highest level selecting the right team / tactics can be vital. Most players play to the managers instructions, even if they feel it's incorrect.
 
Can we blame him completely for 2 players playing bad and sack him for it?
 
Many would probably think about Martial purely in attacking terms, if he's good in the final third then he's good full stop. Where Mourinho demands defensive responsibilities of all his players, much more so when the team he's got is not top class at the back. Good to hear that he's happier with Martial these days. He's definitely improved in his tactical awareness.

Nice thread on here for a change. Probably too positive to the manager so I expect it to be merged into the anti-Mourinho thread soon enough.
 
abdo99 said:
the other way round .if the team plays well everyone can play well. Contrast the 1st half of Newcastle game to the 2nd half. 1st half of Chelsea game to the 2nd half. We pushed higher up the pitch and this allowed us more opportunities to score.
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How will the team plays well without the players play well ? Team = players I mean.
 
el3mel said:
How will the team plays well without the players play well ? Team = players I mean.
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Team is one thing and 11 players is another thing. It doesn't matter which 11 players you have if they don't play as a team.
 
abdo99 said:
Team is one thing and 11 players is another thing. It doesn't matter which 11 players you have if they don't play as a team.
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And if the 11 players didn't play well, or certain players in key areas didn't play well, the team won't play well either. I don't see much separation between both. What you're meaning about having a coherent system is another thing different. Having a coherent system will cover for some players, but even the best system depends on certain key players in certain areas that if they didn't play well everything will get exposed.
 
sunama said:
Some people don't want to give Jose an inch of leeway and are on his back, every single second.
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Poor Mourinho :(

He's the highest paid manager in the world, forgive me for not conjuring up too much sympathy for him. I'll get off his back when he does his damn job and gets his team to perform to an acceptable standard.
 
In case of Martial, Shaw it's 100 percent on Mourinho. Martial changed nothing and Mourinho is making it as if Martial took 1.5 years to understand his role which is obviously self serving bollocks.
 
abdo99 said:
The performance of the team is always more important than any individual. A collective team performance makes it easier for the individuals to shine. A disjointed team performance can make even the best of players below par.
Ultimately over a longer period of time it's the manager who takes the responsibility for the team performance but it's the players who make the difference in the decisive moments. Missed chances for example are the players fault but if we're not creating opportunities like we've seen in many many games that's the managers fault.
That's how I see it.
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So what happened in the Juve first half? Did the manager ask everyone to give Juventus 70% possession and sit back or did the players not do well to take possession, so they were forced to keep falling back.
 
That quote obviously has a lot of truth to it. But if the manager has been here for over 2 years and has had backing to tweak the squad into his own players and tactics, and the team or individuals are still struggling to perform, then the buck ultimately stops with the manager, IMO.
 
Di Maria's angel said:
People complicate football a lot. Like you've said, if everyone performs well, the team performs well. If a certain number of individuals don't perform well, it'll obviously have a direct impact on the team i.e. the team doesn't play well.

What people seem to not want to acknowledge:

when the team plays well: its because of the players and manager.
when the team plays poorly: its because of the players and manager.
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But when the team plays poorly for so long without the manager changing a single bit and getting huge decisions wrong, then it's only the managers' fault.
 
Adam-Utd said:
If tactics weren't important why bother having a manager? Just sent out 11 good players and tell them to do their best.

At the highest level selecting the right team / tactics can be vital. Most players play to the managers instructions, even if they feel it's incorrect.
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Said instructions are normally negative and poorly executed. Hence, why we're shit (most of the time).
 
Varun said:
Can we blame him completely for 2 players playing bad and sack him for it?
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If two players are playing bad despite the manager's support, the obvious decision from the manager would be to bench the said players and let others play(that's why we have a huge squad), if the squad options are not good enough then buy players.
 
Di Maria's angel said:
Said instructions are normally negative and poorly executed. Hence, why we're shit (most of the time).
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If you make flair players like Sanchez, Martial etc do donkey work then the manager should be responsible for it too. A good manager must be flexible enough to suit his tactics to the players available.
 
Bastian said:
Many would probably think about Martial purely in attacking terms, if he's good in the final third then he's good full stop. Where Mourinho demands defensive responsibilities of all his players, much more so when the team he's got is not top class at the back. Good to hear that he's happier with Martial these days. He's definitely improved in his tactical awareness.

Nice thread on here for a change. Probably too positive to the manager so I expect it to be merged into the anti-Mourinho thread soon enough.
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He is happier with Martial because he scored the goals to give him some breathing space. Im his hour of need. He is lucky though because if he had his way martial wouldnt have been here to do that.
 
Kapardin said:
Most of the time he deflects, so it's not like the criticisms were unfounded. This is literally the first time he admits his own fault, so credit to him.
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wasnt there somewhere in the press end of last week that said he was under orders to stop slagging the players off?
 
Borden said:
Poor Mourinho :(

He's the highest paid manager in the world, forgive me for not conjuring up too much sympathy for him. I'll get off his back when he does his damn job and gets his team to perform to an acceptable standard.
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And we have some of the highest paid players in the world. What's your point?
 
When the team plays poorly. It’s the coach. We just saw Lopetegui sacked today and some of you still don’t understand how a coach is responsible for the team poor performance. Real Madrid would have sacked Mourinho ages ago.
 
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Honestly, I just don't care what Jose says any more. He's a lame duck and imo got an unfair shake this summer by the board not backing him. I'll always like Jose as a manager, but he isn't what he used to be. He clearly cannot get the best out of this squad, while although not the most talented in the league, is much better than what we've seen over the past 2-3 years.
 
As Fergie always emphasised, you must always impose yourself as no.1 boss. No argument. Ever. I don’t think Jose was far from that in his heyday but events of player power at Madrid and Chelsea have undermined his confidence to impose himself. His authority is compromised and thus his confidence also. Maybe his ship has sailed.
 
Slik said:
When the team plays poorly. It’s the coach. We just saw Lopetegui sacked today and some of you still don’t understand how a coach is responsible for the team poor performance. Real Madrid would have sacked Mourinho ages ago.
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Well, the Madrid coach lost 5 games in 6. Jose has not done that.
Furthermore, by getting 2nd place and also winning 2 trophies, Jose has bought some goodwill with the club. Had Jose arrived in his first season and been as bad as the Madrid manager, he too, would have been fired in his first season.
 
PieCrust said:
Honestly, I just don't care what Jose says any more. He's a lame duck and imo got an unfair shake this summer by the board not backing him. I'll always like Jose as a manager, but he isn't what he used to be. He clearly cannot get the best out of this squad, while although not the most talented in the league, is much better than what we've seen over the past 2-3 years.
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You think that this squad could've won the league last season, under a different manager?
IMO, getting 2nd (with this squad) was a good achievement. We got beat by a Man City team who broke several records.
This season has been terrible and Jose does deserve to take flack for that.
 
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Slik said:
When the team plays poorly. It’s the coach. We just saw Lopetegui sacked today and some of you still don’t understand how a coach is responsible for the team poor performance. Real Madrid would have sacked Mourinho ages ago.
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This Madrid squad had won 3 CLs in a row.

What did our squad do to prove they don't share a part in the problem ?
 
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