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David Moyes, master tactician B-
Everton level is still a good level though. Not good enough for us, but still a high level.
David Moyes, master tactician B-
And consider the levels LVG and Jose have operated at. Both were the wrong appointments, and well past their best. However Moyes’ best was mid table obscurity.Everton level is still a good level though. Not good enough for us, but still a high level.
And consider the levels LVG and Jose have operated at. Both were the wrong appointments, and well past their best. However Moyes’ best was mid table obscurity.
Should beIs this an April Fools 2 months late?
Ranking the United managers since Fergie retired.
Mourinho
Van Gaal
Solskjaer
Giggs
Dave
Should be
Ole
Van Gaal
Moyes
Mourinho
How did he ruin everything? We had the same squad when he left and a desire for revenge. Removing staff was a big blow, but it didn't ruin everything.If I live for another 50 years I still don’t think I’ll have gotten over the fact we picked David Moyes to replace Sir Alex. He destroyed two decades of work in his brief time here, did absolutely everything wrong in every department. The appointment will haunt me til the end of my days.
Brilliant.Moyes dynamited the foundations, LVG went around and chucked whatever was left in the sinkhole and Mourinho concreted it over. Ole is a survivor going around trying to glue everything back together with no architectural or building knowledge.
Should be
Ole
Van Gaal
Moyes
Mourinho
Moyes dynamited the foundations, LVG went around and chucked whatever was left in the sinkhole and Mourinho concreted it over. Ole is a survivor going around trying to glue everything back together with no architectural or building knowledge.
Under Van Gaal we payed some fantastic stuff at times. The 1-2 win at Anfield and the 4-2 at Old Trafford against City. He was just far to stubborn and that’s what’s cost him.
I admit I may have overrated Moyes, but is there any point other than "clearing the backroom staffs" and "bringing the team from 1st to 7th"? These 2 points have already been addressed in the OP, plus I really doubt the argument that keeping the coaching staffs would keep us in success. I also have to clarify that I don't rate him as the best out of the 3, and I have clearly stated that in the table.
Fellaini was suffering from injuries that season, plus I think Moyes didn't have the confidence to use him extensively. He tried to stick with the title winning team as much as possible, hoping they could produce magic and keep their mouth shut, especially when he was started questioning by the fans and the media. So I can't see why people think he's arrogant.Yeah it is silly to just point towards that game. The tactic didn't fully fail as we scored two goals.
The strange thing was that we didn't use it with Fellaini much under Moyes. Never understood the idea Moyes had with him.
It is more that Moyes tried to go on with SAFs team and 4-4-2 tactics. He didn't change much beyond failing to get the results.
LVG destroyed the team and tried to build his own squad which he failed with big time. Got lucky with Rashford due to injuries.
The football under LVG and results were pretty bad too. He got saved by a good run in the Fa cup to give us a title under him.
Moyes - clueless, out of depth, turning champions into midtable minors. 4/10 (won charity shield)
LVG - outdated philosophy, uninspiring, boring 5/10 (won FA cup)
Mourinho - cnut, heavy spender, 3rd year disaster 6/10 (2nd place finish, won 2 trophies)
I deliberately condensed the 2 seasons into 1 paragraph because there were so many more negative impacts brought from van Gaal which were more important and worth discussing. As stated in the OP, he struggled to find a consistent formation let alone personnels for us. So he's always doomed to fail and it's just a matter of time that our performance dropped at some point of the season.The funny thing about LvG's second season (OP's rerospective completely mixed his 2 seasons into one, Martial wasnt in the first year, Smalling wasn't consistently first choice either) is that it's the most sustained title challenge we have had since 2013, maybe equal to 2017.
The match against Leicester at the end of November November was 1st vs 2nd, with a 1 point gap, and ended in a draw. There hasn't been a season since then when we were so close to the top. And the season overall is correctly regarded as the worst. The Christmas football right after this was ridiculously bad, and I think this continued through January too. At that point I wanted him out. From 1 point off the top to absolutely useless in a month. I still don't know how things went wrong so fast that season.
No way was Van Gaal's 15/16 season a title challenge; we were out of it less than a month after the Leicester game you've mentioned. Mourinho's 17/18 was far closer to a title challenge than anything we had under Van Gaal (which is not a compliment for the record).The funny thing about LvG's second season (OP's rerospective completely mixed his 2 seasons into one, Martial wasnt in the first year, Smalling wasn't consistently first choice either) is that it's the most sustained title challenge we have had since 2013, maybe equal to 2017.
The match against Leicester at the end of November November was 1st vs 2nd, with a 1 point gap, and ended in a draw. There hasn't been a season since then when we were so close to the top. And the season overall is correctly regarded as the worst. The Christmas football right after this was ridiculously bad, and I think this continued through January too. At that point I wanted him out. From 1 point off the top to absolutely useless in a month. I still don't know how things went wrong so fast that season.
To me it's also in terms of how less damage they did to the team.Mourinho > Moyes > LVG
In terms of how entertaining the brand of football was to watch. Also in terms of how good their transfers were.
Well yeah, Jose's transfers weren't great but the only ones who ultimately failed are Mkhitaryan, Lukaku and Sanchez, although Bailly and Dalot have question marks over their respective injury records. Pogba, Zlatan, Matic, Lindelof and Fred have all at the very least been decent signings, although they did all on average cost quite a bit. Zlatan of course was only ever going to be a short term kind of signing. Jose's tenure ended very toxically but at least he left us better off on paper than when he arrived.To me it's also in terms of how less damage they did to the team.
Yes, seriously.People talking about Jose's first season being good? Seriously? By Feb/March I had mentally checked out that season, it was soul sapping stuff. He won us those trophies, but I didn't enjoy the games anywhere near as much as I ordinarily would have.