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since you started following nba, who are top 3(or 5) overrated players?
Trae Young, Westbrook, Booker and Kobe.since you started following nba, who are top 3(or 5) overrated players?
Dame Lillard is number 1, by a country mile. Scottie Pippin, who I think was a good player but gets a ton of credit for being Robin to MJ's Batman.since you started following nba, who are top 3(or 5) overrated players?
We want Durant back!Dame Lillard is number 1, by a country mile. Scottie Pippin, who I think was a good player but gets a ton of credit for being Robin to MJ's Batman.
Kobe (I have him 9th all time, but I've seen some people have him as high as 2/3)
Anthony Davis (way too injury prone, and to me lacks the heart to be really great).
I think I let my personal animosity towards him color my thinking because I hate his attitude. I do think he's overrated, but top 5 is probably pushing it.We want Durant back!
He deserves it, I rate him as a player and would genuinely love to see him traded to the Wolves for Towns. Even at his advanced age I believe that he would be great in a team that plays as a team. But you are right his attitude stinks when he is the headliner.I think I let my personal animosity towards him color my thinking because I hate his attitude. I do think he's overrated, but top 5 is probably pushing it.
I get it, but you're gonna have to meet me in TemeculaTrae Young, Westbrook, Booker and Kobe.
I had an intense work debate three years ago with a Hawks fan who was adamant Young was better than Luka and wouldn't redo that trade.Trae Young, Westbrook, Booker and Kobe.
Bosh, Pierce and Wallace were all fantastic.Chris Bosh
Ben Wallace
KAT
Paul Pierce
Sigh - Russ
Casual.Bosh, Pierce and Wallace were all fantastic.
I’d go Russ, Nash, Beal, AD and Gobert
Smart CasualCasual.
We are not talking about outfits.Smart Casual
I'm amazed nobody else has mentioned Dame Lillard. He's on the 75th Anniversary list, but has no awards, no Championships and a very poor playoff record. (23-41).amazed people not mentioning harden, he is probably n1 for me
I could be wrong but Harden's rating is almost always comes with a caveat, which limits it to scoring. So I find it more difficult to consider him overrated, the same could be said about Gobert, Rodman or all the players that are highly rated on one side of the ball and labeled as clear liabilities on the other end.amazed people not mentioning harden, he is probably n1 for me
I agreed with your mention, I couldn't find a 5th player but Lillard would be it.I'm amazed nobody else has mentioned Dame Lillard. He's on the 75th Anniversary list, but has no awards, no Championships and a very poor playoff record. (23-41).
Gobert is very good, just not as good as he’s made out to beWe are not talking about outfits.
What do you think he is made out to be? I didn't watch the Jazz as much as I watch the Wolves and it became quickly very obvious that his defensive impact is massive, defensively he doesn't actually have a weakness and an other thing that is never mentioned he plays up and down all game, he doesn't take possessions off.Gobert is very good, just not as good as he’s made out to be
The probem I have with Harden is that I find it very hard to separate my intense dislike of his playing style (he's a cheat) from whether he's overrated or not.amazed people not mentioning harden, he is probably n1 for me
he’s a 3 time Defensive player of the year, Garnett has 1, he isn’t a better defender than KG, he’s got the same as Howard, nowhere near Howard, he’s going to be remembered as one of the best defenders of all time and I think he’s not on that level. For Example when he won his last one, Bam was a better defender that year, Gobert won on reputationWhat do you think he is made out to be? I didn't watch the Jazz as much as I watch the Wolves and it became quickly very obvious that his defensive impact is massive, defensively he doesn't actually have a weakness and an other thing that is never mentioned he plays up and down all game, he doesn't take possessions off.
few years ago he was always mentioned in best player of the league conversationsI could be wrong but Harden's rating is almost always comes with a caveat, which limits it to scoring. So I find it more difficult to consider him overrated, the same could be said about Gobert, Rodman or all the players that are highly rated on one side of the ball and labeled as clear liabilities on the other end.
He’s also a massive bottler, funny he’s went to the clippers where his choking is going to be overshadowed by Paul GeorgeThe probem I have with Harden is that I find it very hard to separate my intense dislike of his playing style (he's a cheat) from whether he's overrated or not.
I have two thoughts:he’s a 3 time Defensive player of the year, Garnett has 1, he isn’t a better defender than KG, he’s got the same as Howard, nowhere near Howard, he’s going to be remembered as one of the best defenders of all time and I think he’s not on that level. For Example when he won his last one, Bam was a better defender that year, Gobert won on reputation
still a very good player though
he doesn’t really have a weakness, I’m not saying that at all. He’s a great defender, just not an all time one. Maybe my point should be that Garnett and Howard are underrated defendersI have two thoughts:
DPOY isn't an evaluation of the historical rating of a player, it's an annual award against your current peers. It makes little sense to claim that a player is overrated because he has more awards than someone he wasn't competing with for individual awards.
Regarding the 2021 DPOY, in principle I fine with the idea that you rated Adebayo higher but Gobert was in the conversation and if for example we look at advanced stats one player had 5.2 defensive win-shares while the other had 3.2. So let's say that Gobert deserves one less DPOY, should that make him overrated when he was rightfully in the conversation and statistically better than your favorite?
Also Howard and KG are widely considered to be better than Gobert, people see them as better two way players, they think that they are more versatile defenders. And that's in spite of the fact that in reality Gobert has elites numbers even iso on the outside or inside. If anything people often underrate him and make up weaknesses that are not true.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/bendow...r-defense-is-an-major-tool-for-the-utah-jazz/
Okay.he doesn’t really have a weakness, I’m not saying that at all. He’s a great defender, just not an all time defender.
and awards absolutely come into it, who’s the better Point guard Steve Nash or Jason Kidd?
It’s Kidd, comfortably, yet many will rate Nash higher because of his 2 MVP’s.Okay.
And I don't know who is the better point guard.
No Zion really killed any small chance the Pelicans hadAnyone watching Okc Pels?
Yep, did he miss the first 2 as well?No Zion really killed any small chance the Pelicans had
The TV guys are just trying to make it appear to the audience that this is now a competitive series and that they should tune in for the next game. I'm not sure they actually believe anything they actually spout. They're just looking for ratings.Commentator asking Have lakers found something, media just never learn do they. Most of the other team having a bad night is not something you can just count on especially when they get to their home and your players who have normally sucked finally performed in 1 game.