Aguero? Vardy (not all in PL but all in England)?
Aguero joined late around 23-24. Vardy was unheard till leicester promoted to PL and I wont put him in elite striker category anyway.
120 goals in 8 seasons in the premier league and a league and cup winner is surely enough to be in the elite category.
15 goals a season?
You are comparing players who played for clubs who were top 2 or 3 in the country with Vardy at Leicester who were a newly promoted team in Vardy's first season in the prem and were battling relegation that season. Not really a fair comparison.
He played for a much worse team than these players did. Its a completely disingenuous argument
Judging this on the past is a bit misleading in my opinion. Elite strikers around the world are sustaining (and sometimes increasing) their level into their 30's, in a way you didn't ever really see before. Lewandowski, Benzema, Suarez, Cavani, Ronaldo, and Ibrahimovic have all sustained a very high level in their 30's. I know none of them played in the PL during their peak, but it's not that different. I could definitely see Kane sustaining a high level in the same way.
There is a certain someone called Ryan Giggs. You guys might have heard of him.
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You just summed up how the ole-in crown shift their goalpost time and time again.
Who is about as relevant to the discussion as James Milner.
So he backed down when to find excuses for his mate. Hypocrite. It is like Ole's fanboys who said he needs to be backed, now they say we cant win the league without a DM.
It's worth mentioning that they all played for sides that would mostly face teams sitting deep and playing defensively whereas Leicester face teams that have played more openly and left much more space for him to exploit with his pace. There's no guarantee his skillset would translate to the best teams.
It's a completely pedantic point the best teams always have the top goal scorers it's just a fact so there clearly isn't enough of a factor of the low block to stop the best scoring. Also there are plenty of players with Vardy's exact skill set that have been the best in the league. Agüero, Owen, Ruud, fowler etc all quick players feeding off scraps but can come to life at any second.
It’s not. There’s names like Hasselbaink, Defoe, Bent and Dublin who are in and around him in the all time charts who scored their goals at teams a similar level to Leicester. They’re all quality players but they’re not remembered as elites. Not in the company of the names I mentioned plus Shearer, Rooney, Cole, Kane et al.
They also don't have the record Vardy has against the top 6 teams in the league. Come on your point is pedantic when it comes to Vardy. He has literally carried an attack to the Premier league and has a ridiculous record against teams better than his and has sustained it ever since he joined the league. The guy has literally broken records whilst playing for leicester nonse of the other players you have mentioned have sustained what he has for the length of time.
He’s done well to be mentioned in the same breath as the players I’ve mentioned above and there is absolutely no shame in not being in the select handful of EPL elites who were also considered the best players in the world at their peak, something Vardy hasn’t proven due to his lack of appearances in the Champions League. I’m not sure why you’re so desperate to raise him into this category.
The players you mentioned have never elevated their teams as vardy has its a simple fact none of them has his record none of them have scored what he has against the best teams in the league. He is simply above them in every metric.
Shearer?
Zlatan could have done his whole career here in the PL and hit 15-25 every year until very recently. He’s another freak though. Not relying on pace is a huge part of it. The football brain gets better but the legs go.
He is not saying he doesn't think we can win it. What he is basically admitting is he is unsure Ole has the ability to do it and is more certain of the talents of Pep and Chelsea coach probably because they have just won major silverware recently. he even says this "Chelsea, who were the Champions League winners last season, and Manchester City, who were 20 points clear" Its more a lack of confidence in Ole which is understandable as he still has to prove himself at the top level where as the other guys all have.
I think people have a problem with him not just saying he is unsure of Ole
He's not admitting that though. He's never referenced the fact that we have a less experienced, and frankly less talented, manager than Liverpool, Chelsea and City. He's hiding behind this notion that we had to sign players x and y, otherwise expecting us to win the title is ridiculous. The cynic in me would say he picked Kane especially because he knew we had no chance of signing him. Not expecting us to then go and sign a player who's even better than Kane.
You have to read between the lines. He knows we have a team capable of winning and his Kane comments demonstrate this. He just doesn't want to put pressure on Ole as he himself is unsure and he admitted Ole has it all to prove and was disappointed with the Europa result last year. He said we can challenge or be right up there but doesn't actually think we will be first. That means yes everything is there (playing squad wise) and it's possible for us to win it but he don't think we will get over the line because of the comp which is where the gaffers are supposed to differentiate themselves. Its a subtle way of him showing his heart. If SAF managed this squad he would probably say he fancies US for the title would you agree?He's not admitting that though. He's never referenced the fact that we have a less experienced, and frankly less talented, manager than Liverpool, Chelsea and City. He's hiding behind this notion that we had to sign players x and y, otherwise expecting us to win the title is ridiculous. The cynic in me would say he picked Kane especially because he knew we had no chance of signing him. Not expecting us to then go and sign a player who's even better than Kane.
It's clear Neville and others want to put a narrative in place ahead of time because they clearly don't rate Ole's chances of overcoming this perceived managerial deficit.
"How could we possibly expect to compete for the title without signing another centre mid?"
"How could we even dare to think about staying ahead of Chelsea when they just signed Lukaku?!" ... after we sign Ronaldo who out performed Lukaku by every measurable aspect of the game last season
Clearly.
''better than''
People like to use Rooney as the poster boy of the whole "made his debut as a teen and burnt out by the time he reached his late 20s" but fail to take into account the kind of lifestyle he had off the pitch. The guy was a smoker and by all accounts, a pretty regular drinker. He never took care of his body the way a modern top athlete should have.
I genuinely don’t think we know the half for Rooney’s drinking habits.
I think it’s evident he doesn’t look after himself in the summer. Every season he’s terrible in August, then he gets 4 goals against Burnley and suddenly he’s world class again.
Half of his early tweets are him off his face early morning...
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He'd still be brilliant for us. A world class striker.
