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Red in STL said:
There's a difference between what the managers etc do and the way the paying customer should be treated

I'm fine with the shenenigans by the managersand such like, but treating away fans like shit for supporting their team is petty, we don't and shouldn't need to do that
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I'm pretty sure they're talking about the away dressing room not the away section in the stands.
 
Fugeeface said:
In regards to the "best stadium in the world" - every new big stadium aims for that. Some achieve it but for how long? Two years? Three? Until the next big thing comes along, and then it isn't the best anymore.
Personally I don't think it has to be the best in the world, it is a rather subjective thing.

I agree that current Old Trafford cannot be transformed into a modern stadium. For me the new stadium might cut the last tie to the club I have. The last ten years have eroded the connection and I don't see how that comes back with the direction we're heading.
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There's not many football teams that could fill 100,000 seats every week. Or who could finance building such a stadium.

Or who have the space adjacent to their old stadium to build it without much disruption.

All of these aspects are unique to us.

So it's a unique opportunity.

I'm undecided on the actual design but I'm excited by the overall vision.
 
From afar the stadium looks strange but when you see the concept designs under it, then you see what's it all about.

I'm going to wait till they break ground before believing it will ever come true.
 
I live in Ireland so haven't visited Old Trafford much and when I do I'm trying to save my money.

But am I right in saying that people don't spend much time around the stadium before and after games?

People get in and out quite quickly?

There's not even that many food and drink options in the general area of the stadium.

Is there a reason for this? Is it just that the footfall isn't enough to sustain businesses long term.
 
next_number_seven said:
I live in Ireland so haven't visited Old Trafford much and when I do I'm trying to save my money.

But am I right in saying that people don't spend much time around the stadium before and after games?

People get in and out quite quickly?

There's not even that many food and drink options in the general area of the stadium.

Is there a reason for this? Is it just that the footfall isn't enough to sustain businesses long term.
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There's a variety of reasons but essentially the options are limited in part bcause of lack of space to build them and partly because a lot of the surrounding areas were industrial estates and a lack of footfall. the future includes 4K homes so the footfall would increase + fans for both football and cricket would be ehough to sustain more going forward
 
next_number_seven said:
I live in Ireland so haven't visited Old Trafford much and when I do I'm trying to save my money.

But am I right in saying that people don't spend much time around the stadium before and after games?

People get in and out quite quickly?

There's not even that many food and drink options in the general area of the stadium.

Is there a reason for this? Is it just that the footfall isn't enough to sustain businesses long term.
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I think the London Stadium and surrounding Stratford area where West Ham play is a good indication of how it can work when you have different groups working together to regenerate an area. I know Westfield the shopping centre was there before but there are lots of restaurants close to the ground and open spaces which make it inviting to stay around for a while.
 
Fugeeface said:
I agree that current Old Trafford cannot be transformed into a modern stadium. For me the new stadium might cut the last tie to the club I have. The last ten years have eroded the connection and I don't see how that comes back with the direction we're heading.
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I know what you mean. I accept that the days of the terraces will never return and that football - in its widest sense - has changed for me beyond all recognition. I'm still hanging on by a thread but my love of United is rooted way back in the past. The current set up leaves me cold.
 
Just heard in the Amorim interview that the new stadium will be visible from Liverpool haha
 
next_number_seven said:
I live in Ireland so haven't visited Old Trafford much and when I do I'm trying to save my money.

But am I right in saying that people don't spend much time around the stadium before and after games?

People get in and out quite quickly?

There's not even that many food and drink options in the general area of the stadium.

Is there a reason for this? Is it just that the footfall isn't enough to sustain businesses long term.
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If you mean immediately round the stadium - there's not much. Car parks, semi deserted warehouses, the freight yard. Burger vans on match days. There's certainly nowhere to sit and no cover if you want to stand around chatting.

You don't have to go far to find cafés, restaurants, bars but they're in places where people are working, shopping, living every day - not in places like the stadium area that only have people for a couple of hours per week.

Whether United can pull off the same trick as the Lowry museum and the BBC studios and deliver the pulling power for Quays II, I don't know. Personally, I like the ambition though.

Some regulars will ignore the fanzone etc completely just like some park or catch the tram to near the Quays and ignore the chain cafes, restaurants, bars etc now. It's a leap of faith to believe that other fans will stop and spend. It's an even bigger leap to believe that you can keep these new hospitality businesses in business all year.

Which is why United talk about it only making sense if the rest of the project goes ahead. It's also why they've surrounded themselves with people and businesses who've delivered big mixed use development schemes before.
 
Plant0x84 said:
I don’t think so, the hole in the centre looks fairly central. The umbrella seems to be more about creating useable spaces outside of the stadium.
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And to cover the stands they said. The hole ‘looks’ smaller than pitch size but it’s only concept art so we’ll see.
 
welshwingwizard said:
I think the London Stadium and surrounding Stratford area where West Ham play is a good indication of how it can work when you have different groups working together to regenerate an area. I know Westfield the shopping centre was there before but there are lots of restaurants close to the ground and open spaces which make it inviting to stay around for a while.
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West Ham fans hate the new stadium.
 
Red in STL said:
There's a variety of reasons but essentially the options are limited in part bcause of lack of space to build them and partly because a lot of the surrounding areas were industrial estates and a lack of footfall. the future includes 4K homes so the footfall would increase + fans for both football and cricket would be ehough to sustain more going forward
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I think they mentioned 17,000 homes.
 
jojojo said:
If you mean immediately round the stadium - there's not much. Car parks, semi deserted warehouses, the freight yard. Burger vans on match days. There's certainly nowhere to sit and no cover if you want to stand around chatting.

You don't have to go far to find cafés, restaurants, bars but they're in places where people are working, shopping, living every day - not in places like the stadium area that only have people for a couple of hours per week.

Whether United can pull off the same trick as the Lowry museum and the BBC studios and deliver the pulling power for Quays II, I don't know. Personally, I like the ambition though.

Some regulars will ignore the fanzone etc completely just like some park or catch the tram to near the Quays and ignore the chain cafes, restaurants, bars etc now. It's a leap of faith to believe that other fans will stop and spend. It's an even bigger leap to believe that you can keep these new hospitality businesses in business all year.

Which is why United talk about it only making sense if the rest of the project goes ahead. It's also why they've surrounded themselves with people and businesses who've delivered big mixed use development schemes before.
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You can tell they're hoping it will be a destination spot beyond the 30+ home games a season.

Sir Jim said it could be a fan zone for away matches, which might be possible but I think most people are too lazy. They might go for big matches like CL and FA cup or maybe England WC matches.

Also he said Man United have a billion global followers who'd like to visit, which is obviously nonsense.

If they build 17,000 homes there though it would be a good start and create a community around the stadium.

I'm skeptical. It's difficult enough to sustain a business with 365 days of footfall for 12 hours a day. It's impossible to sustain one for 30+ days for a few hours.
 
G97 said:
Yeh I hear your point.
But Football for away fans should be, at the every least, a poor experience. Away fans should dread going to grounds not necessarily because it’s hostile (my choice of words were poor) but just generally horrible/unpleasant.
Currently at least, away fans at the moment have to walk down Warwick Road full of United fans to the rather unattractive turnstiles they enter in.
The idea of them knowing they are turning up to Disneyland Paris theme park, filled with families having picnics who have no interest in football, with kids running round hugging Fred the red and thousands there because they are seeing Ariana Grande perform there the following day kinda makes it all feel a bit of a fairyland.

Now if there was plans in place where the away fans could only enter into one specific closed off corner and were provided with basic toilet facilities and a poxy overpriced bar, where they could reap no benefits from the overall experience us home fans would have I would be more for it. But I can’t see this being the case.
Call me old fashioned, but football is about rivalries and I don’t want any Liverpool fans turning up and having a good time at our gaff, that thought disgusts me.


It was always going to be sad when we finally left Old Trafford, Accepting we aren’t going to renovate our historical home and will build new is already heartbreaking, but can be accepted, but to not be solely focusing the new stadium on just football and the loyal supporters is actually just wrong.
To me, it seems the owners are selling a dream - to cover up this is nothing but clear financial gain for them (that they won’t recycle back into the club) - and so many supporters are buying it.
Just my opinion of course.
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No, I am on board with all of that, the whole rivalry / experience used to be what’s it all about. I used to go away in Europe about 10-12 years ago and some of the experiences were horrible / but also magical. Having bags of urine and coins thrown down from Milan fans to the bottom tier was both of things, it’s the true tribalism of football, but it was all part of it.

Unfortunately, I gave up on football being like that anymore, apart from some corners of Europe top tier football is just not like that.
 
Toblerone92 said:
How is that relevant? We have a global fanbase and the majority of the people on this forum cannot attend games every week, if at all, for all manner of reasons.

Give it a rest mate. Yesterday you were in this thread claiming that "people who like the stadium don't understand what the club is about" and now you are implying that if people don't actually attend games then their opinion is somehow worth less than those who do. We get it, you're a top red that is lucky enough to go to games each week, but you don't get to be arbiter of how to support the club.
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My wording can be quite clumsy and generalising at times.
So I hear you and i’m not looking down my nose or taking aim at you sir or any fans who don’t go who have their personal reasons for that. I wouldn’t discredit anyone who has work commitments or struggling financially and actually think the club needs to do more to help said fans out.

But I, like I’m sure you do too, know many who can go but don’t because they can’t be bothered or make up some pretty poor excuses. Their opinion holds no weight to me. Being a supporter is about making sacrifices I’m sure you’ve made some yourself as a Supporter.

I just want to ask you, for your opinion on this, if I may…
A chap I know does an 8 round trip every week and will do for dead rubber games on week nights and make up the time in work on other days. That dedication and loyalty is the heartbeat of the club. Now if you compare him to a fan who lives 20 minutes away who has a chance to go but never has. Do you value them as supporters the same?
 
DeludedOptimism said:
No, I am on board with all of that, the whole rivalry / experience used to be what’s it all about. I used to go away in Europe about 10-12 years ago and some of the experiences were horrible / but also magical. Having bags of urine and coins thrown down from Milan fans to the bottom tier was both of things, it’s the true tribalism of football, but it was all part of it.

Unfortunately, I gave up on football being like that anymore, apart from some corners of Europe top tier football is just not like that.
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Yep, It is only a ‘used to be like that’ in the UK.
I went away to St Etienne in our Europa league success year in 2017 as a measly, skinny 20 year old and I swear to god if those fans could get to us they would have f*cking eaten us.
Weirdly that was part of the exhilarating factor. It made us as fans louder and we enjoyed the whole intimated feel.

Why some of the fans on here replying to me don’t want to provide a shitter experience to away fans actually makes me cringe. Think they want large “Welcome Liverpool fans” screens to pop up on their arrival.
They’ve called me petty - I’m willing to be the most petty club on the planet if it brings us success.

Look at Madrid (the ‘greatest club in history’ and current European champions) and their Ballon d’Or behaviour…
Real winners, win at all costs, no matter how ugly. As long as it’s not blatant cheating, I’m all for it.
 
Can imagine it ends up being called The Trident, where stadium sponsorship is The Snapdragon Trident and so forth. Real Madrid recently dropped 'Santiago' from the Bernabeu's name to allow similar such stadium sponsorship possibilties.
 
stevoc said:
They're a gimmick for football to be fair, not really necessary. But I am surprised they didn't want one for events.
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The roof looks large, lot of coverage anyway.

Besides most non football events will be in the summer months.
 
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