Looks like you are in the opinion that a new coach will come and make us press like a magician. Right... How deluded some fans are.
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So you genuinely think most of the Caf missed the emergence of Erik Ten Hag in the season where Ajax reached the semi-finals of the CL which was last done in 2005, beating the likes of Real Madrid and Juventus?
Is everybody pretending the board aren't itching to appoint Carrick as manager?
The structure has already been changed, if anything with Pochettino we will have to change it again and push Murtough/Fletcher aside.
Oh fair enough, yep, I actually never knew so many United fans watched the dutch league. He is also apparently going to City after Pep, if you read some posts.
It's always the way that people dont see any potential negatives when assessing managers. They only remember the peak, or the most recent results.
It was the same with Poch before he moved to PSG it was always that he'd come here and have us playing football like his peak Spurs team straight away. He's not been able to replicate it with PSG yet.
Exactly. This place is sometimes a comedy show.
And I'd go as far as to say it's not only some but most people.
It would only be sensible if Ten Hag was a success. Otherwise what then? We can't keep changing the structure for each manager.
I think most of them lacked the players they needed for it at that point, and Poch succeeded quite fast with it both at Southampton and Spurs.
I don't think Ole ever really gave the press a proper go, and he wasnt equipped to anyway. He tried it once during his interim period, our players got injured and never again. Then all of a sudden he tried it again, against Liverpool which backfired. However Liverpool battered us without a press as well not too long ago before that. It is no argument against pressing that Ole couldnt achieve us. Just as he couldnt achieve us to be a team that creates a decent amount of chances any match, or be a team that is fit etc. It is no argument against fitness.
Your reservations seem fair nonetheless.
In order for the pressing to be efficient, it needs to be coached well so that everyone knows exactly when/how are they supposed to do it. With Ole in charge it has always been a disjointed mess. "Ole tried the press with no joy" doesn't mean a better manager can't achieve better results.
I wish we get Hag but if Poch can join now, we can't refuse that as IMO this season still salvageable and we still can play for something and it is not like dead and dusted, with MC or any other interim manager I feel like we will be far worst than this I fear.
And when exactly did I say I don't know who he is? Perhaps read the post you decide to reply to next time. Looking through his managerial history I was in awe. Absolute top coach that.Sound like you a the social media kids know more about football than you. If you don’t know who Ragnick then you must be new to football which is more understandable.
The structure we have now, fits Ten Hag better than Poch? And I would like to think that long-term the Ajax way of doing things will be far more succesful than whatever we have been doing.
Not sold on Poch. Don`t think he is the guy to take us back to the top long term.
But he is for sure a competent manager and good enough to give us some hope for the near future.
Hope we can sort it out really soon cause Carrick does not look comfortable in that role
But he is for sure a competent manager and good enough to give us some hope for the near future.
Hope we can sort it out really soon cause Carrick does not look comfortable in that role
He just lets his mouth go. Doesn't even put a slither of thought into what he's saying on there, proper shit at his job.
Whilst I somewhat agree, we've heard for a while that some of the board admire Poch. It sounds like he is their number one choice and I think even if we were to wait until the end of the season, if it were out of ten Hag or Poch, then I believe the board would still go with Poch. So if they can get the man they really want now, then get him now.
I'm not hugely keen on Poch myself, but the board clearly want him, Poch seemingly wants us, so it makes sense to do it ASAP.
Let's get it done quickly.
Poch is 10 times the manager ole is and although he's not my 1st choice, it'll be good to see us coached properly plus he really wants the job.
Poch is 10 times the manager ole is and although he's not my 1st choice, it'll be good to see us coached properly plus he really wants the job.
Yeah but I mean a structure without Fletcher/Murtough. I think safest way to make Ten Hag a success would be have people who are all on the same page in terms of football. It's also a case of the same page in terms of academy etc. I don't know enough of the ins and outs granted, but I think there are differences that would make appointing him a risk. Obviously all managers are a risk. Poch is a risk, but there is evidence he'll be a good fit. I won't lie, some of my preference is gut instinct, but that is not always a bad indicator.
Totally agree with this.
You could also achieve it with a restructure supporting Poch. I think the problem is it won't happen, so the merry go round of finding the new Ferguson (who doesn't exist) will continue until we're spent as a club and new owners arrive.
What's the betting most of those gems of ours don't get near the first team, every year we have supposed gems. Maybe whoever the new manager is will change that. I hope so. You say about us using the cheque book which is correct. It is interesting to see what happens when a manager goes from not being in that position and having to use their academy system to the world being their oyster.
Clearly you just watch the United way. Managers implement change straight away.
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I agree, I'm quite convinced it will be Poch. I'm just arguing why I don't think it's the right choice. It's hardly as if we can put some faith in this club's decisions. They've gotten every managerial choice since SAF incorrect.
It's mind boggling sometimes that some don't understand that poaching another team's manager might be a delicate operation.
Used to be on Talksport a lot, more on BT now.
I can’t pretend to know nearly enough about Ten Hag to say I want him to get the job. I like Poch, I have some reservations about him, but I think making him out to be this outdated pragmatic manager is revisionism by those who want Ten Hag and nobody else will do. Poch is good at working to a budget, has a clear style of play and improves young players. He might not be a proven winner but he’s probably the best suited to the United job out of anyone available and I’m sure if he stuck to his principles here he’d win trophies.
What you describe was known phenomena. Ascribing the known phenomena as rationale sounds like regret, poor decision making or lake of management skills. The very things we don't need at United right now.
I like how much Poch wants it. Or seems to want it anyway.
Roma got to the semi final the year before beating Barcelona. Don't expect most remember much about the manager? It's not all that uncommon for the odd unexpected team to reach a CL semi. It's not earth shattering news that lights up the entire football world. So yes most hadn't thought about him that much hence the fact he had only 4 pages of discussion until recently. Of course having now looked more closely there's a lot to like but without doubt many of us are not experts on him.
Its because a good pressing team takes alot out of you. Pep and Klopp both are very good at this but if you watch Liverpool and City now, they are not gung ho pressers, its all relative. They know in a game when to press, when to drop and soak.
They have game intelligence to understand when to do it and this takes time to implement. I do not trust AWB, MAguire in a high line.
I can't help but feel Flether / Murtough / Woodward are a big step down football-wise than VDS and Overmars. That trio seem very much all on the same page to me.
I'd be confident betting that at least 90% have barely watched an Ajax game since they lost to Spurs in 18/19 but are now convinced he's the one.
Agreed. Our structure is geared up to suit a head coach. I might go into more detail later and have also been digging into how Ajax operates behind the scenes.
Why would you mean without Fletcher/Murtough, it's a key point when you compare ten Hag and Pochettino? Pochettino seemingly wants close to total power while ten Hag wants to be surrounded by other technicians and it's not as if ten Hag has only worked for Ajax, he adapted to Ajax and said it himself, when he was at Utrecht he had to do things differently.
The way I see it, there is a case to give Pochettino what he wants after a season or two of success/growth, he wants power but he has to earn it. And there is a case to continue our transformation toward the DOF model and go with a pure head coach like ten Hag. They are both risks ten Hag is a short term risk because he may fail at United's level while Pochettino is a long term risk because Tottenham could be his ceiling.
yeah? Pep implemented it straight away and won the league in the first year? Klopp as well only took 3 years.
Just because Chelsea do it, means every manager does it right?
All aboard the Poch train!!!!
It is very rare that all gems make it, watching quite some academy football, if the likes of Amad, Laird and to a little less extent Hansen/Mejbri don't even get a sniff, that is really on the club.
Paulo Fronseca, but that side was nowhere near as impressive as the Ajax sides which saw Onana, Ziyech, Frenkie, de Ligt, Donny van de Beek wanted by the top clubs in football.
Ajax also has this whole "Total Football" - thing going on, which is what they played and hadnt since the past century. It is 100% more impressive when a club from a smaller league achieves it, similarly to the Monaco side in 17/18?
It would be devastating for us to be without a manager for an entire season - it would very likely knock us out of top four and set us back several years. No CL next season means a reduced transfer budget, players aging with no ability to challenge for the top young prospects because they want champions league football and a chance to win trophies. If we're out of the Champions League and Ten Hag is offered both this job and the Barca job, which do you think he'd go for? If we wait too long we might just miss out on him either way. If Pochettino wants to come in now, it's his job - unless Ten Hag also wants to come in now, at which point Ten Hag is probably the more exciting option.
Right now it's about who wants it more tbh.
Right now it's about who wants it more tbh.
With the likes of the highlighted already at the club, there's no reason why we shouldnt be set up for sustained success. I'm taking solace in the fact that Poch has always improved players and given opportunities to young players.
Agreed, although I have liked some of Murthough's work. But Ajax and United in terms of football culture is a completely different world. We had our fans not too long ago say that ''patterns of play'' is for hipsters, whereas at Ajax the style of play is God.
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