Neymar told ‘don’t go blubbering’

KirkDuyt said:
I was referring to the clip on the last page. Surely that guy deserved a yellow?
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It was a foul, that was called (I think so at least), yellow could be given but don't think it would be that weird if it wasn't. Frankly, I expected more before seeing the video...
 
Abizzz said:
The problem is if they defend properly he's on the floor screaming bloody murder like he has just been kicked. Might as well kick him once in 90 minutes of proper defending then!?
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Nah the problem is refs don't do enough about his antics. If they give him a yellow every time he dives he'll stop or get sent off.
 
Lay said:
Kicking someone because they embarrased you with a legitimate skill is pathetic.
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as is rolling around the ground like you've been shot when you haven't been touched which Neymar does on a regular basis.
 
kaiser1 said:
Not by any means possible, this is why we have fouls, and they are punished its also why a striker cannot use his hand to put the ball in the net and will get punished if caught

What Neymar is doing by dribbling is 100% legit, what the defender is doing by deliberately kicking him is illegal
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Exactly, that's why we have referee's who govern the game and agree on a universal code of conduct. Henry and Maradona have both handled a ball into the back of the net and run off celebrating. Pepe often kicks the shit out of strikers who come near him. It's the referee's job to decide what is within the rules and what isn't.

The ref decided it wasn't a foul and the defender was making genuine attempts to win the ball. It doesn't give Neymar the right to throw a tantrum because he didn't get it and if he wasn't so quick to go to ground he might get more of those as free kicks.
 
Mrs Smoker said:
It was a foul, that was called (I think so at least), yellow could be given but don't think it would be that weird if it wasn't. Frankly, I expected more before seeing the video...
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Yeah fair enough after another viewing.

In all honesty, while I don't wish harm on anyone, Neymar would be the biggest contender for changing my outlook.
 
Baxter said:
I was going to put this is in the PSG match thread, but interested to know what people think.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46926841

"It's Neymar's style, but don't come and complain when you get kicked," said Strasbourg's Anthony Goncalves.

"He is a great player, I respect him. He can enjoy himself but don't come blubbering afterwards."

I think that’s out of order. I haven’t seen the footage, but kicking someone because they’re better and then basically telling them to man up is ridiculous.

Anyone else think the Strasbourg player should be in trouble after that statement?
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The guy is clearly trying to get the ball and, for once, Neymar was actually fouled. No biggie. When people say you got 'a kick' in football, it doesn't mean what it means in karate.
 
crossy1686 said:
This attitude is exactly why Arsenal have always been vulnerable to a roughing up.

You cannot expect opposition to turn up and accept a 9-0 drubbing just because the other team are better. There are tactics to level the game and you're daft if you don't employ them.

If we were winning 4-0 I'd expect them to kick the shit out of us. At that point just give them the ball and sit deep. They're not going to kick us without the ball are they?

A tackle or shoulder barge can be a foul without causing injury you know?
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Your last sentence is ironic because Arsenal players have gotten injured from shoulder barges in the past (Rashford on Holding) and Arnautovic I think it was shoulder barged one of our players straight into the advertising hoardings, injuring him. But generally I agree that you can foul someone without injuring them. I just think some players and teams take it way too far. There is a difference between having a little nibble and going in two footed when the ball isn't there to be won.


As far as Arsenal are concerned. I genuinely think referees have allowed tackles against us that would not fly against any other top team. Purely because of the idea that "Arsenal can be roughed up". If they followed the rules of the game and dished out yellow cards when they were supposed to, then the narrative would be different. I still remember when Diaby got his leg broken against Sunderland. Fabregas was going to the referee tapping his temple to say that these Sunderland guys are losing it. The referee did absolutely nothing to calm the situation down and at the end of the game, Diaby got his leg shattered. I think Dan Smith only got a yellow card for that to boot. Stoke were allowed to kick us around game after game too until they finally broke Ramsey's leg.

I'm not saying the other team has to accept anything. I just disagree with the mentality of oh this team is better than us, we better start kicking lumps out of everyone. That is how people get injured needlessly
 
StrettyEnder07 said:
Jesus how soft do you want the game to go! So he has to stand back watch him showboat, let him crack on and make him look a fool, let him past so he can go bag himself a hat-trick so everyone can hail Neymar! What world you living in, its football, a mans sport, contact etc. its bad enough you can't tackle anymore, whether you win the ball or not apparently its not allowed if you touch the player. Don't ever remember Best, Pele, Maradona, Cruyff etc. whinging and moaning about being kicked and they had the likes of Chopper Harris at them constantly.

Man the hell up and just get on with the game, modern football full of absolute fairies
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Bless. Modern life is shit, eh?
 
crossy1686 said:
Exactly, that's why we have referee's who govern the game and agree on a universal code of conduct. Henry and Maradona have both handled a ball into the back of the net and run off celebrating. Pepe often kicks the shit out of strikers who come near him. It's the referee's job to decide what is within the rules and what isn't.

The ref decided it wasn't a foul and the defender was making genuine attempts to win the ball. It doesn't give Neymar the right to throw a tantrum because he didn't get it and if he wasn't so quick to go to ground he might get more of those as free kicks.
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The ref didn't blow it isn't a good argument to make when replays can show the intent to injure

Like saying I can cheat in an exam as long as I am not caught. If video reviews show I was cheating in an exam, Do you think I can make the case that since the supervisor didn't catch and punish me at that time, All is fair?

Most times Neymar exaggerates contact, I have hardly seen him go down without contact before. He is skillful, he does skills that tend to make the opponent look like an amateur, just like a kid scoring 100% makes those scoring 20% look like amateurs.

Most players because of his skill(which is what viewers want to watch) resort to kicking him
 
I’m having a difficult time classifying anything in the clip as “being kicked.”

Injury looks more unlucky than anything for me.
 
If I was Neymar, someone is catching a two footed challenge next time we meet. Dont go blubbering.
 
crossy1686 said:
It's a dark art but kicking someone who's better/faster than you is a leveller, not with the intent to injure of course. If you moan about it or roll around on the floor like an absolute cock, expect to get kicked more. Messi is the perfect example of someone who gets kicked to death but carries on anyway. Neymar's diving and cheating is every bit as bad, or worse, than the kicking in my opinion.
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Diving is worse than kicking a player?
 
JSArsenal said:
Your last sentence is ironic because Arsenal players have gotten injured from shoulder barges in the past (Rashford on Holding) and Arnautovic I think it was shoulder barged one of our players straight into the advertising hoardings, injuring him. But generally I agree that you can foul someone without injuring them. I just think some players and teams take it way too far. There is a difference between having a little nibble and going in two footed when the ball isn't there to be won.


As far as Arsenal are concerned. I genuinely think referees have allowed tackles against us that would not fly against any other top team. Purely because of the idea that "Arsenal can be roughed up". If they followed the rules of the game and dished out yellow cards when they were supposed to, then the narrative would be different. I still remember when Diaby got his leg broken against Sunderland. Fabregas was going to the referee tapping his temple to say that these Sunderland guys are losing it. The referee did absolutely nothing to calm the situation down and at the end of the game, Diaby got his leg shattered. I think Dan Smith only got a yellow card for that to boot. Stoke were allowed to kick us around game after game too until they finally broke Ramsey's leg.

I'm not saying the other team has to accept anything. I just disagree with the mentality of oh this team is better than us, we better start kicking lumps out of everyone. That is how people get injured needlessly
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Accidents happen unfortunately. As I've progressively got older I've dropped back from playing on the wing to full back to CB. Nowadays I come up against 17 year olds who are lightning fast, first thing I do when they knock the ball past me is put them on the floor. It doesn't happen many times after that, and it's not because I want to hurt them, I just don't want to spend the next 40 minutes running towards my goal trying to catch someone who's faster than me. And they will score if I don't do something about it ASAP.

I do agree with the sentiment that Arsenal have been properly kicked in some games against the more thuggish sides but it's the reaction to the kicking that encourages more kicking. If players start getting in the refs face, moaning, rolling around on the floor and genuinely not taking a kicking well, you're only asking for more of a kicking. We all know the adage of bullies only respond to a show of strength. Arsenal could have nipped some of those tackles in the bud by putting Stokes biggest gobshite on his arse a few times in the first half.

If a team starts kicking you, you have to kick them back otherwise you assume the role of the victim and the ref will never give you the protection you're looking for.
 
Adisa said:
Diving is worse than kicking a player?
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Depends which team you're on. What was worse? Henry's handball against Ireland or a Paul Scholes tackle?

Depends on the context of a kick of course but I'm talking about professional fouls to stop a striker from gaining an advantage. Not a foul that has intent to injure another player, ala Keane on AIH.
 
Showboating is part of the game, yes its embarassing if you are on the end of it but its football. You can't kick someone just because he's better at football. This guy is a cnut, yes Neymar is a cnut but tough shit because he's a talented cnut. Whats the point in having all these skillful players capable of brilliant skills and then crying that someone should kick them when they use them.

Its getting ridiculous now. Team x beat Team Y 9-0 in a professional manner "taking the piss", "not fair", "should have went easy". Neymar does a few step overs when PSG are destroying someone "deserves a kick", "arrogant" its pathetic. Neymar is entitled to do whatever he wants on the pitch that's within the rules.
 
poleglass red said:
as is rolling around the ground like you've been shot when you haven't been touched which Neymar does on a regular basis.
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Not disputing that. But one of them can cause serious injury.
 
padr81 said:
Showboating is part of the game, yes its embarassing if you are on the end of it but its football. You can't kick someone just because he's better at football. This guy is a cnut, yes Neymar is a cnut but tough shit because he's a talented cnut. Whats the point in having all these skillful players capable of brilliant skills and then crying that someone should kick them when they use them.

Its getting ridiculous now. Team x beat Team Y 9-0 in a professional manner "taking the piss", "not fair", "should have went easy". Neymar does a few step overs when PSG are destroying someone "deserves a kick", "arrogant" its pathetic. Neymar is entitled to do whatever he wants on the pitch that's within the rules.
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And a player can choose to get physical with a player and take the yellow.
He got punished remember.
 
The problem here is Neymar is the boy who cried wolf. He's been faking it and exaggerating contact like a child for years, so when he actually has been kicked (although it's hardly like he's been savagely booted) no one has any sympathy for him. It's a foul and a booking for the defender and nothing more. The fact Neymar got injured by that kind of tackle is pretty unlucky really. He's landed funny rather than been done in by the contact.

The comments from the coach at the end are unprofessional and maybe in bad taste. He'll probably be fined and that should be the end of it really.
 
cyberman said:
And a player can choose to get physical with a player and take the yellow.
He got punished remember.
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Don't get me wrong, was Martial doing it to Kompany I'd be roaring "flatten him", I said the same when Sterling was taking the piss out of you guys in the derby, I couldn't believe the players just took it or the derby before that at Old Trafford where KDB took the piss at the sideline with the ball. But the rules are the rules, one of them broke them as you've said yourself. Neymar might be a cnut but the person who kicked him for being better at football is a bigger cnut.

Its like telling a boxer, you're so much better than that guy don't knock him out because you'll embarrass him. Neymar is there to entertain (when he's not rolling around the pitch like he's just been shot) and taking the mickey and using his god given skills is entertaining and not breaking any rules. Kicking him is breaking the rules and he has a right to complain about being deliberately kicked.
 
Yeah!! While we are at it, ban nutmegs and dribbling altogether. Football will be much more beautiful if we just played balls in a straight line and push the opponent players rugby style, in case they try to come in between.
 
The comments from the coach is appalling. His player might not have intended to injure Neymar, but Neymar hitting the grass all the time has nothing to do with kicking at opponents. One doesn't justify the other.
 
Matt007a said:
The problem here is Neymar is the boy who cried wolf. He's been faking it and exaggerating contact like a child for years, so when he actually has been kicked (although it's hardly like he's been savagely booted) no one has any sympathy for him. It's a foul and a booking for the defender and nothing more. The fact Neymar got injured by that kind of tackle is pretty unlucky really. He's landed funny rather than been done in by the contact.

The comments from the coach at the end are unprofessional and maybe in bad taste. He'll probably be fined and that should be the end of it really.
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You sum it up correctly. He has been getting away with his constant cheating for years, & now even the refs have had enough. It is the same reaction from him whether it is a good challenge, foul on him, or just touching him. So players are thinking if they are going to get done, even when they haven't done anything, then might as well give him something to cry about. I certainly would.
 
padr81 said:
Don't get me wrong, was Martial doing it to Kompany I'd be roaring "flatten him", I said the same when Sterling was taking the piss out of you guys in the derby, I couldn't believe the players just took it or the derby before that at Old Trafford where KDB took the piss at the sideline with the ball. But the rules are the rules, one of them broke them as you've said yourself. Neymar might be a cnut but the person who kicked him for being better at football is a bigger cnut.

Its like telling a boxer, you're so much better than that guy don't knock him out because you'll embarrass him. Neymar is there to entertain (when he's not rolling around the pitch like he's just been shot) and taking the mickey and using his god given skills is entertaining and not breaking any rules. Kicking him is breaking the rules and he has a right to complain about being deliberately kicked.
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We all know it should be celebrated but the risk lies in frustration and embarrassment getting the best of your opponent and the risk of a crunching tackle is high.
Never mind the next opponent looking on saying he won't do that to me next week.
Its the human element that means you shouldn't be showboating. Remember that Brazilian doing the seal showboating and gets flattened. Or Nani playing keepy uppy v Arsenal and has two Arsenal players going in hard one after the other.
 
Funny these kind of players are always the ones blubbering the most once they happen to end up on the other end of the kick.
 
What about when he dives and cheats regularly? Is that OK? That is the most irritating thing with Neymar, and what get people riled up. So when he goes his way doing that, he should expect that somehow opposition players will want their payback.
 
Obviously you shouldn't be enticing thugs - who have less to lose - by showboating. If Neymar ever matures he'll recognise the risks.

But that doesn't entitle Zemzema or his manager to act the twat. Zemzema has three hacks there - none of which attempt to get the ball - and lost any perceived 'footballers's code' moral high ground well before the flick.
 
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Neymar is a cretin and deserves everything he gets. His incessant diving and theatrics are an embarrassment to the sport and I've no problem with someone giving him a kick to let him know what a prick he is. No doubt this will enrage the faux moral outrage brigade who must get offended at everything, but feck 'em.
 
Think trying to injure someone for showboating is wrong, just go and take ball from them when they try some stupid trick. However, Neymar clearly acts like he gets shot from literally any sort of contact, or just the idea of contact. You can't keep acting like that and expect people to have any sympathy. Really is a blight on the game with how players act. Roll around for 2 minutes on ground, magically fine in 10 seconds after the player has been booked and play is restarted. Got no issue with a player thinking that neymar is going to act like that with any slight contact and at least wanting to get their moneys worth if his play acting and cheating is going to get them a card anyways.
 
crossy1686 said:
Accidents happen unfortunately. As I've progressively got older I've dropped back from playing on the wing to full back to CB. Nowadays I come up against 17 year olds who are lightning fast, first thing I do when they knock the ball past me is put them on the floor. It doesn't happen many times after that, and it's not because I want to hurt them, I just don't want to spend the next 40 minutes running towards my goal trying to catch someone who's faster than me. And they will score if I don't do something about it ASAP.

I do agree with the sentiment that Arsenal have been properly kicked in some games against the more thuggish sides but it's the reaction to the kicking that encourages more kicking. If players start getting in the refs face, moaning, rolling around on the floor and genuinely not taking a kicking well, you're only asking for more of a kicking. We all know the adage of bullies only respond to a show of strength. Arsenal could have nipped some of those tackles in the bud by putting Stokes biggest gobshite on his arse a few times in the first half.

If a team starts kicking you, you have to kick them back otherwise you assume the role of the victim and the ref will never give you the protection you're looking for.
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I agree with what you're saying in your last two paragraphs but that isn't how it should be. Refs should enforce the rules regardless. Although how things should be and how they are, are two very different things.
 
Shameful. I reckon the defender involved should be banned for as long as Neymar is injured.
 
I don't buy into the term showboating and it certainly doesn't deserve a kick. If your opponent is that good that he can take the ball around you like that then you should just man up and accept he's extremely skilled. When I used to play sunday football in midfield, if someone nutmegged me or did something audacious i'd just laugh it off and appreciate the technique and skill involved. I feel like getting angry about being beaten like that shows incredibly insecurity and actually, skill like that is part of the reason why people love watching football.

I don't remember people being annoyed at fat ronaldo when he did 15 step overs in a row and beat half the people on the pitch.
 
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