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It was like watching lukaku in that moment , he looked awkward running at VVDHe had that 1v1 against VVD but not much else outside of that.
It was like watching lukaku in that moment , he looked awkward running at VVDHe had that 1v1 against VVD but not much else outside of that.
Mbappe Kane Salah.I mean, that's not outrageous
Mbappe, Kane... I'm missing someone... One can make cases for any of them being the best attacker in the world
The only reason people think he should be a Ballon d'Or candidate is because Ronaldo succesfully managed to make it a scoring contest for so many years.He’s just not a big game player (yet). Games like today are worth remembering when people think Haaland deserves a Ballon d’Or over Mbappé or Messi.
I always said De Bruyne should have been the one in the final 3 last time. Haaland’s tally is unreal, you can’t take away from him how impressive it is. But guys like De Bruyne performed better, did better in the bigger games, and they’re just far more important to City.The only reason people think he should be a Ballon d'Or candidate is because Ronaldo succesfully managed to make it a scoring contest for so many years.
If he got it last year over Rodri or De Bruyne, even Gundogan it would have been very undeserved, and then I haven't even players from other teams that might have deserved it
He is an out and out goalscorer. The Golden Boot and goalscoring records is what he should be aiming for. Ballon d'Or is not for him
Vini better than all of them.I mean, that's not outrageous
Mbappe, Kane... I'm missing someone... One can make cases for any of them being the best attacker in the world
I like Vini and would have him here in a flash but I'm taking Mbappe over himVini better than all of them.
Still got the shot off. Granted it was a poor shot, but it wasn’t because VVD forced him into a terrible angle. It could have been a lot more dangerous.It was like watching lukaku in that moment , he looked awkward running at VVD
No chance.Vini better than all of them.
That's nice, are you proud?Learned from ye mum
No he's not. Better than Kane maybe or has potential to be. Never will be better than Mbappe.Vini better than all of them.
How is he going to impose himself? He's completely reliant on what his team mates can serve up. More so than any other striker I can recall. Inzaghi had more tricks in the bag than Haaland does.Haaland went missing again yesterday and managed only 1 touch in the Liverpool box, he always seems to go missing in the big matches.
This is why I dont believe he was a Pep signing and was signed by someone above Pep's head (probably to stop their rivals getting him), Pep would never sign a player who is so limited in what he can do off the ball and is heavilly reliant on his teammates.How is he going to impose himself? He's completely reliant on what his team mates can serve up. More so than any other striker I can recall. Inzaghi had more tricks in the bag than Haaland does.
This is why I dont believe he was a Pep signing and was signed by someone above Pep's head (probably to stop their rivals getting him), Pep would never sign a player who is so limited in what he can do off the ball and is heavilly reliant on his teammates.
In matches where City don't dominate or isn't able to create, he will go missing or put away the one chance he gets. That is his profile and comes with his workdescription. He is a #9, not a SS, false 9, #10 or a hybrid. In matches like the one yesterday his job is to occupy defenders and be on his toes the one or two chances he gets. Without crosses into the box or balls in behind there little to do for any striker. In close matches like that, strikers very rarely plays the main part. In matches where defenses leave space or where City is dominant he will allways be devestating. Yesterday Liverpool was the better team and shut down City's midfield quite efficiently. He did set up his teammates a few times though.Haaland went missing again yesterday and managed only 1 touch in the Liverpool box, he always seems to go missing in the big matches.
Vini is basically Saka without the defensive contributions, or Doku with much worse dribbling skills but better end product.Vini better than all of them.
I also think there’s an element of rewriting history when making comparisons to previous world class players too. We tend to forget all the times a gamely world class goal scorer had a poor game and hardly touched the ball. But it’s happened to all of them.He's showing flaws and weaknesses it was generally agreed he was beyond as an ATG finisher. Seems he still has a fair amount to learn when it comes to the biggest games against the best opponents.
I feel he gets a lot of flack in here from people who simply wish for him to fail, which, given he's a rival's star scorer, makes sense, but in objective terms, he isn't really fairly assessed.
The season is still young in terms of decisive games, so it will be interesting to see how things pan out for him.
There's an aspect of that, which also ties into his young age and not really having an extensive body of work to scrutinise. But he was supposed to be beyond the basic scrutiny of that kind of thing, being compared straight to ATG's and not just world class players. It's not a particularly big deal, but maybe expectations dial back a bit for a while or at least until he looks like a player who can shatter perception once more. At the moment, he certainly shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath of the striking gods, at least.I also think there’s an element of rewriting history when making comparisons to previous world class players too. We tend to forget all the times a gamely world class goal scorer had a poor game and hardly touched the ball. But it’s happened to all of them.
Vini is miles better than Haaland in any area other than tap-in finishing, and it's not even close.. He single-handedly saved Real so many times this season & previous seasons, and he's not a tap-in merchant that struggles to shine even with tap-ins. Vini doesn't even have to score to have a great game unlike Haaland.Vini is basically Saka without the defensive contributions, or Doku with much worse dribbling skills but better end product.
+ this:
- Consistantly underperforming his xG (except the 21/22 season)
- Dribbles a lot with poor successrate (37%) (worse than all the others mentioned here including Haaland)
- End product: Vini has 147 goals+assists in his 252 games for Real Madrid (which half of the typical Haaland/Mbappe ratio) - Often goes missing in the big games (Scored a winner in the CL final against Liverpool) and has a horrible record against Atletico (1 goal in 13 games) and a bad record against Barca (6 goals in 16 games)
Not sure if this is a wind-up or legitimate the hottest take I’ve seen here. Either way; just not the thread for it. If someone wants to make a thread comparing the three, I’d be more than happy to discuss.Vini is basically Saka without the defensive contributions, or Doku with much worse dribbling skills but better end product.
+ this:
- Consistantly underperforming his xG (except the 21/22 season)
- Dribbles a lot with poor successrate (37%) (worse than all the others mentioned here including Haaland)
- End product: Vini has 147 goals+assists in his 252 games for Real Madrid (which half of the typical Haaland/Mbappe ratio) - Often goes missing in the big games (Scored a winner in the CL final against Liverpool) and has a horrible record against Atletico (1 goal in 13 games) and a bad record against Barca (6 goals in 16 games)
Is this supposed to be satire, or....whatVini is basically Saka without the defensive contributions, or Doku with much worse dribbling skills but better end product.
+ this:
- Consistantly underperforming his xG (except the 21/22 season)
- Dribbles a lot with poor successrate (37%) (worse than all the others mentioned here including Haaland)
- End product: Vini has 147 goals+assists in his 252 games for Real Madrid (which half of the typical Haaland/Mbappe ratio) - Often goes missing in the big games (Scored a winner in the CL final against Liverpool) and has a horrible record against Atletico (1 goal in 13 games) and a bad record against Barca (6 goals in 16 games)
Often goes missing in the big games
Uhm(Scored a winner in the CL final against Liverpool)
Like seriously Of all criticism of Vini, not being a big game player is a straight up lie. He always turns up against the big clubs and singlehandedly led us to victories multiple times.Is this supposed to be satire, or....what
Uhm
This is tactics in the same way that asking Kyle Walker not to dribble through the middle is tactics.Goes missing by tactics. He isn't supposed to be involved in link up or build up play. For those who have seen interviews, it's very clear that you don't go outside pep tactics, if he wants you to stay upfront and tie up a centre forward you do so. And he did
This is tactics in the same way that Kyle Walker not to dribble through the middle is tactics.
If he were any good at it, he'd probably be asked to do it.
Yeah, they would have been better off keeping Gabriel JesusWhich begs the question if Haaland makes City better or worse.
All I know is City never had any problems scoring goals or smashing teams 5-0 before he came. And they did so using a more fluid build up play with tons of different goalscorers.
Eder, fantastic big game playerIs this supposed to be satire, or....what
Uhm
They won the treble with Haaland scoring 52 goals in 53 games. People are talking like he hasn’t been a success for City?This is why I dont believe he was a Pep signing and was signed by someone above Pep's head (probably to stop their rivals getting him), Pep would never sign a player who is so limited in what he can do off the ball and is heavilly reliant on his teammates.
Haaland has had many great games, that he happened to also score in(because he scores more often than not)Vini doesn't even have to score to have a great game unlike Haaland.
Yeah, people pretending all he does is score tap-ins are seriously underselling him. He’s also scored some really acrobatic goals that you wouldn’t back most players to make.Haaland has had many great games, that he happened to also score in(because he scores more often than not)
Three examples from the top of my head: The home games vs United, Arsenal, and Bayern last season were pretty good, with 5 assists, and all of those games had one VERY good assist( chip to Bernardo when everyone is excepting a shot, taking down the long ball with an Arsenal backpack on while turning, and perfectly timed Foden pass vs united)
The only time I saw him play in the Bundesliga he made 3 assists vs the Europa League-winning Frankfurt side. So he can(on his day) do a lot of damage without scoring.
More often than not when he doesn't score, he is a ghost with 6/10 ratings. Not only that, sometimes, when he scores a tap-in, he is still a ghost, see his game against United. The guy is a disaster all around play-wise finishing games with 10 touches.Haaland has had many great games, that he happened to also score in(because he scores more often than not)
Three examples from the top of my head: The home games vs United, Arsenal, and Bayern last season were pretty good, with 5 assists, and all of those games had one VERY good assist( chip to Bernardo when everyone is excepting a shot, taking down the long ball with an Arsenal backpack on while turning, and perfectly timed Foden pass vs united)
The only time I saw him play in the Bundesliga he made 3 assists vs the Europa League-winning Frankfurt side. So he can(on his day) do a lot of damage without scoring.
Yet they win the CL in Haalands first season.Which begs the question if Haaland makes City better or worse.
All I know is City never had any problems scoring goals or smashing teams 5-0 before he came. And they did so using a more fluid build up play with tons of different goalscorers.