Deery
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On the leaders debate on BBC1, may have picked it up wrong but I’m sure that’s what was being suggested.Where have you heard this? Everything I’ve read suggests they won’t be nominating aDFM.
On the leaders debate on BBC1, may have picked it up wrong but I’m sure that’s what was being suggested.Where have you heard this? Everything I’ve read suggests they won’t be nominating aDFM.
When I watched the debate I got the impression that they weren’t intending to nominate. I think he maybe alluded to the fact that they can make decisions at the first meeting before having to elect the DFM or something like that. I may be wrong though.On the leaders debate on BBC1, may have picked it up wrong but I’m sure that’s what was being suggested.
Could be right it was towards the end and not much time spent on it.When I watched the debate I got the impression that they weren’t intending to nominate. I think he maybe alluded to the fact that they can make decisions at the first meeting before having to elect the DFM or something like that. I may be wrong though.
Let’s not try and pretend the UUP are liberal though. They are the northern Irish wing of the British Conservative party.If predictions are correct, SF will more than likely be the largest party. If so, the DUP will refuse to nominate a DFM and there will be a political vacuum.
Alliance will improve their vote as will the TUV but whether the latter gain more than a couple of seats is debatable. Regrettably, the more liberal Unionist party UUP and Nationalist party SDLP will probably lose out as the election has become all about whether SF become the largest party and people will have voted accordingly.
I stand corrected, maybe I should have said tolerant.Let’s not try and pretend the UUP are liberal though. They are the northern Irish wing of the British Conservative party.
Certainly progressing in the right direction though and Robin Swann has done a great job. Respectable! Made my top 3!I stand corrected, maybe I should have said tolerant.
They said on the NI news, "Dublin and London will be watching"Glad the Northern Irish are realising the English don't give a feck.
the DUP will find a way to spin it.Just here for the DUP meltdown and we can only hope, for the good of everyone in the country, the dissolution of them as a party.
So the Democratic Unionist Party won't be nominating a Deputy First Minister and taking part in government because they don't like the results of a Democratic election.Where have you heard this? Everything I’ve read suggests they won’t be nominating aDFM.
Are you English? If you think DUP are bad, wait till you see TUV hahaJust here for the DUP meltdown and we can only hope, for the good of everyone in the country, the dissolution of them as a party.
SF as FM is a significant landmark moment though so that can’t be understated.Seems to be going pretty much as expected?
Sinn Fein will be the majority party with the DUP losing some seats to Alliance and other unionist parties. Dynamics of Stormont wont really change (or exist) with a few extra obstacles to add to the pile. Am i on the right track?
I think the DUP are dinosaurs, cant see them going anywhere. Just circling the same drainSF as FM is a significant landmark moment though so that can’t be understated.
Similarly the Alliance gains are huge and I think they can only grow on this moving forward. It’s a good sign having more people moving away from green/orange voting.
Very much, much the same for now, but DUP have really backed themselves into a corner and not sure where they go from here.
Think it’s unlikely the protocol will get sorted!I think the DUP are dinosaurs, cant see them going anywhere. Just circling the same drain
Its just a convenient excuse to lock the country in stasis politically. They think this is as good as it gets. If it wasn't the protocol it'd be some trivial crap like the Irish Language Act.This whole protocol issue is simply a load of balls. The DUP are just using it as a red herring. No one cares about it. The fact they have fought an election on the back of getting it removed and have just got pumped in that election should waken them up to that fact.
But even so I would love to know how they effectively intend to overturn an agreement between the UK & the EU? It’s pie in the sky nonsense.
Any update on this? Should be SF 27 DUP 24?How I think it will end up:
SF - 28
DUP - 23
Alliance - 16
UUP - 10
SDLP - 9
IND - 2
PBP - 1
TUV - 1
Nah, from Belfast.Are you English? If you think DUP are bad, wait till you see TUV haha
Nah, cant really see it. DUP are hiding behind the protocol but they'll wait this out since they didn't get first minister and in 6 months time rally the Unionists to overturn this election. Its an absolutely shocking form of democracy.Looking at North Ireland elections result it looks like, the United Kingdom's breakup is coming faster than anyone expected and it seems inevitable at this point. Each country will be fully independent in 10 years time or less at this state.
Still 2 more seats to go which I imagine will go to SDLP and UUP but may go to DUP or PBP. So will end upAny update on this? Should be SF 27 DUP 24?
Alliance are a weird one. I think because they neither declare as unionist or nationalist that it is a massive benefit they have. Which is funny in a way because people vote for them out of protest and the want for change from Green (SF)/ Orange (DUP) politics which then makes voting Alliance slightly tribal in itself.Honestly can’t believe Alliance got so many votes, such a watery party. Sit on the fence about everything.
Isn’t it just an indication that a growing number of voters care less about the issues that dominate the tribal politics that have historically dominated the discussion?Honestly can’t believe Alliance got so many votes, such a watery party. Sit on the fence about everything.
I can agree with nearly everything you’ve written there, I think this has been as Green/Orange as a vote as I’ve ever seen even when the media is trying to dress it up as progressive. Sinn Fein I didn’t think even ran a good campaign and hasn’t delivered on many things just opting to argue it out with the DUP as usual over ILA and so on maybe the £200 heating payment helped so close to voting time and the fact DUP has been such a shower this past 2 years.Alliance are a weird one. I think because they neither declare as unionist or nationalist that it is a massive benefit they have. Which is funny in a way because people vote for them out of protest and the want for change from Green (SF)/ Orange (DUP) politics which then makes voting Alliance slightly tribal in itself.
I do find it quite disheartening though when you browse sites such as Reddit which have a massive nationalist bias and are constantly trying to snipe at alliance voters.
There is certainly an aurora of arrogance surrounding some SF voters at present, even reading their comments about Collum Eastwood who I think had done an exceptional job at SDLP and they’re all just having digs at him.
I guess it just feels like they’ve became very condescending and patronising where they think their party is the shit and just see faults in every other opposing party. Similar to how Tory voters view the rest of the electorate.
However that’s just a small proportion of SF voters and usuall the loud minority. I’m very happy to see a nationalist party get FM and this is a landmark occasion so congratulations to them and their supporters.
I just hope that this really is “time for change” but unfortunately the DUP/SF combo has delivered very little for NI over the last 2 decades and I have very little faith that this election is going to change that at all.
So while Alliance may be a bit wishy washy. I have a lot more faith in them and other parties I mentioned above delivering for NI than I do the current combo who prefer to squabble and collapse government other petty shite like flying union jacks at city hall, Irish language acts, RHI schemes, protocols etc..
If SF are as progressive as they say they are and if they truly want to implement these progressive policies then surely reforming the assembly will be top of their agenda. They know that while they share governance with the DUP they will always struggle to push forward with their more progressive policies.
So it is in their best interests as well as the electorate to push for reform in how the FM/DFM are determined and to allow for parties such as Aliiance to potentially take Up those positions who they know would be in more support if their policies.I believe Alliance have voted with SF something like 75% of time over last 5 years for example.
So I guess this is the real test now. Are they a progressive party which want change? Or do they want to keep the status quo which delivers very little for the country but keeps them relevant and in high paying jobs but delivering very little.
It is I suppose in a way people don’t want to vote Sinn Fein as they have a past and not DUP as they are dinosaurs but Alliance is so watery for me they never say anything of note and hardly ever get off the fence.Isn’t it just an indication that a growing number of voters care less about the issues that dominate the tribal politics that have historically dominated the discussion?
The DUP and TUV were the only parties running an orange v green election, and stoking tension and division non? That needs to be clear.I can agree with nearly everything you’ve written there, I think this has been as Green/Orange as a vote as I’ve ever seen even when the media is trying to dress it up as progressive. Sinn Fein I didn’t think even ran a good campaign and hasn’t delivered on many things just opting to argue it out with the DUP as usual over ILA and so on maybe the £200 heating payment helped so close to voting time and the fact DUP has been such a shower this past 2 years.
I was very sad to see Mallon and even Bailey lose seats as they have been very good and hard working politicians, I’m not even sure many Alliance voters actually pay attention to their politics and just voted for them because it wasn’t DUP or Sinn Fein, I also agree with you on Eastwood he’s a really decent guy and I always agree with him if Hanna and Eastwood ran the election it may have been much different.