Be careful what you wish for.Id rather get relegated than having a coach diminish the club I love for his own sake, but maybe I'm a weird one. Or maybe I just dont have the right FOOTBALL HERITAGE Jose is looking for
Be careful what you wish for.Id rather get relegated than having a coach diminish the club I love for his own sake, but maybe I'm a weird one. Or maybe I just dont have the right FOOTBALL HERITAGE Jose is looking for
Seem it, seems to give the impression that all is fine and will come good. No it will not come good Ole.All you backers of Ole did you see his post match interview ? An absolute disgrace completely undeterred at the lackluster result as he's shown all season. Ole is an embarrassment to the ambitions of the club. It's no surprise the team has no consistency he doesn't inspire confidence in the players and clearly as he's managerial career has shown he's not a serial winner.
Jose was really toxic , but at least he was exposing the players that were not good enough and didnt hold his tongue against the board. We went from one extreme to the other, and I prefer the extreme that keeps up in the PL.Id rather get relegated than having a coach diminish the club I love for his own sake, but maybe I'm a weird one. Or maybe I just dont have the right FOOTBALL HERITAGE Jose is looking for
Me too. Of course. His 2 full seasons were the only I felt any hope in us returning to the top. Now, zero hope for the future, unless we do the right thing and hire Poch.Unpopular opinion : I prefer Mourihno's toxic football 55% winning rate .
Hope you’re enjoying the season then mate. Got exactly what you wished for.Id rather get relegated than having a coach diminish the club I love for his own sake, but maybe I'm a weird one. Or maybe I just dont have the right FOOTBALL HERITAGE Jose is looking for
I aint enjoying this season and I have voiced my displeasure from Ole in yesterday's post match thread.Hope you’re enjoying the season then mate. Got exactly what you wished for.
Those were just excuses. He kept playing the likes of Young, Lingard, Matic. Different managers have different excuses.Jose was really toxic , but at least he was exposing the players that were not good enough and didnt hold his tongue against the board. We went from one extreme to the other, and I prefer the extreme that keeps up in the PL.
Appointing Mourinho was the only time post SAF that I felt we were hiring a manager to take us back to the top. It was ok for a while but ultimately turned to shit and he had to go.Unpopular opinion : I prefer Mourihno's toxic football 55% winning rate .
You could argue this what Jose did, but was he not just trying to get the players he knew we needed to compete because he was a winner, and was not interested in toeing the line and managing a team he knew couldn't win things, he is a easy to dislike, but he just said it as it was, which is why he went so quickly when things started to go wrongId rather get relegated than having a coach diminish the club I love for his own sake, but maybe I'm a weird one. Or maybe I just dont have the right FOOTBALL HERITAGE Jose is looking for
I dont rate Ole. Just saying I dont prefer Jose. And no, Jose saying about Shaw "it was his body with my brain" after a good performence was not meant to get a reaction, he was just a twatYou could argue this what Jose did, but was he not just trying to get the players he knew we needed to compete because he was a winner, and was not interested in toeing the line and managing a team he knew couldn't win things, he is a easy to dislike, but he just said it as it was, which is why he went so quickly when things started to go wrong
Now we have Ole, who seems happy to just go along with things, is probably just happy to still be here, and will be until he is told otherwise, so could that not be called 'diminishing the club for his won sake' as well, even if it's with the best intentions? He's just easier to like, and easy for the owners to handle, but personally I'd rather have someone who is a proven winner putting the pressure on the club to start doing things right, becasue right now we are worse than last season, and they are been given a free ride just because Ole is the manager.
Completely agree with this. We need a progressive manager in place who'll play attacking, pressing football and people will realise there's a lot of good footballers here - our past 4 managers have all played dour football and it stinks the place outPure nonsense, the players are trying! James, Fred, Pereira, Maguire, Lindeolf, Rashford etc are all trying. But they look clueless because there's no system in place. Our results are not from the lack of trying more a lack of tactial flexibility imo.
Fair enough, I don't prefer Jose either, I couldn't wait to see the back of him, but what we have done since is nothing other than ' make it up as you along', yet we're all supposed to be sucked into this 'building something' catch line.I dont rate Ole. Just saying I dont prefer Jose. And no, Jose saying about Shaw "it was his body with my brain" after a good performence was not meant to get a reaction, he was just a twat
The entire coaching stuff should be sacked alongside him. This Carrick/McKenna experiment isn't going to work. The new manager should bring his own assistants.But what about the rest of the coaching team? he is there with enough experience to really help, give a good advice when needed? Only Phelan have some sort of experience and then it is nothing all that special. Maybe if we do keep Ole, we should add someone in the caliber of Bielsa or similar as the assistant manager.
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Don't worry mate, people have such short memories. They were baying for Mourinho's blood not so long ago, especially after the Liverpool game.I aint enjoying this season and I have voiced my displeasure from Ole in yesterday's post match thread.
Yet I remember how toxic the club was, how toxic the players were and how bad it was not just to watch us play(something that has been bad even in our best season post Fergie), it was bad just to be connected to the club, everything felt wrong.
I want Ole replaced, I want a better manager who knows where he is but also knows what he wants to do and how to demand it. But I by no means have enjoyed us more when we had a manager that not only led us to playing sh*t, but also missed no chance to diminish our great history and deaminor in the sake of his own quest for 'respect'. Does that make me a bad fan? Because if so, than i'll gladly take that tag and run with it.
I couldn’t stand José’s style of football he played here for the most part, but currently we’re playing just as awful a brand of football, with worse results.Unpopular opinion : I prefer Mourihno's toxic football 55% winning rate .
Have we ever voted with our feet before? Maybe the green and gold campaign but that didn’t last long, plus I don’t think it affected attendances.At some point you as a fanbase may need to take some control like Arsenal fans did it with Wenger. I personally believe he'd still be there today if they didn't.
If the board are as happy to stick by him as it seems, the only way you'd get him out is to vote with your feet, get attendances down and protest, I know it's not nice to do that to a club legend but between that and what you'd likely get by keeping Ole it's a no contest surely?
For me this is the most worrying aspect of this tenure. The team is trying as hard as it can from what I can see, and we’re still languishing in mid table and in what can only be described as relegation form.Pure nonsense, the players are trying! James, Fred, Pereira, Maguire, Lindeolf, Rashford etc are all trying. But they look clueless because there's no system in place. Our results are not from the lack of trying more a lack of tactial flexibility imo.
I see where you're coming from because I felt that frustration in 15/16, pretty much everyone I spoke too on matchdays and on the internet truly believed Jose had no responsibility for the unprecedented poor results and performances, I wanted to scream, at times my jaw dropped at some of the excuses rolled out.Have we ever voted with our feet before? Maybe the green and gold campaign but that didn’t last long, plus I don’t think it affected attendances.
I highly doubt the old Trafford fans would protest for ole to be sacked. To my amazement most of the fans who I speak at the ground are firmly behind him and believe in what he is doing what ever the feck that may be. It’s Fecking sickening. What will it take to turn these fans? Maybe relegation.. who knows some of them are so blinded by faith it’s unreal. Maybe this is our Graham Souness / Liverpool moment where we truly drop from a top club to an average one
Good point because as we know Arsenal fans have been living the good life ever since. Your arguing for fans to kick out a club legend so he can be replaced with someone even worse.At some point you as a fanbase may need to take some control like Arsenal fans did it with Wenger. I personally believe he'd still be there today if they didn't.
Two wrongs don't make a right, they may have fecked up replacing him but Wenger at the end was done, there was a very good reason opposition fans were chanting that they wanted him to stay.Good point because as we know Arsenal fans have been living the good life ever since. Your arguing for fans to kick out a club legend so he can be replaced with someone even worse.
Arsenal fans completely up in turning on Wenger.
I agree they were right to be angry(It been well over decade since they've won the league)but they've learned nothing from the experience other than if they scream loud enough the club will move.Two wrongs don't make a right, they may have fecked up replacing him but Wenger at the end was done, there was a very good reason opposition fans were chanting that they wanted him to stay.
Is this a joke?! We haven’t even played in the FA Cup yet and you claim we are “still in it” like it’s some kind of achievement on Ole’s part .Not a day goes by without people going on witchhunt against Ole. And especially without any sort of understanding what kind of players we have. Thinking a new manager would suddenly win Everything with this squad is so wrong. I know you are hurt by Liverpool going like a bulldozers but let us be real. Reacting with emotions is not the best thing. People need to learn to have patience.
We are 8 points behind top 4 place, through in both Carling Cup and Europa League. Still in FA cup. We were never in for PL title this year and we all knew that this season would be up and down.
Hopefully with some midfield signings (2 or 3 depending on Pogba situation) and McTom/Pogba back we will be in the mix for CL places.
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I remember Gary Neville saying that he HAD to be given the job now and to be fair I think most people did. Not sure about player pressure though. I was thinking earlier if the club hadn't made the decision to hire him permanently would we have sneaked top 4 last year? Everything just went horrendously wrong after that PSG game. Players seemed to give up in what was one of the most abysmal races for the top 4 that I've ever seen.The club had the right idea, appoint a caretaker and serious search for a replacement. The issue came when a combination of results, fan zealotry and likely player pressure ruined that. He should never have been a contender right away. If the club could genuinely say at the end of an exhaustive half season + off season search that they couldn't find the right fit, then MAYBE Ole should've got a shot. It's all pretty moot now, we're either going to limp to the end of the season around 9th-10 and he'll get the sack, or Spurs+City will destroy us and the board will have to act.
Erm that's what Ole and Woodward are doing.Id rather get relegated than having a coach diminish the club I love for his own sake, but maybe I'm a weird one. Or maybe I just dont have the right FOOTBALL HERITAGE Jose is looking for
You gotta be kiddinģ?But what about the rest of the coaching team? he is there with enough experience to really help, give a good advice when needed? Only Phelan have some sort of experience and then it is nothing all that special. Maybe if we do keep Ole, we should add someone in the caliber of Bielsa or similar as the assistant manager.
Those names werent even running when we're losing. Trying hard? I don't see that. All i see is weird facial expression.For me this is the most worrying aspect of this tenure. The team is trying as hard as it can from what I can see, and we’re still languishing in mid table and in what can only be described as relegation form.
So what happens once the team tire of the poor management they realise they are playing under and Ole loses the dressing room? It’s unfathomable.
A team that is trying it’s absolute best being worse than Mourinho’s self destruct mode days demonstrates how awfully inept this manager is.
feck him and his win rate.Unpopular opinion : I prefer Mourihno's toxic football 55% winning rate .