Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

[UNITED ACADEMY]

I’ve answered the other points but I actually left this out. Thanks for reminding me.

So we was amazed at the players that wanted to join us. Which ended up being Maguire who we tried to sign the previous year. AWB who we was linked with previously and Dan James. Wow!

Maguire was targeted by Pep while Bissaka was targeted by Spurs with Sancho is being our main target. Those three are players that top teams wanted to sign and so far we are aiming on the right targets. What else do you want instead? Bale & Another Sanchez?

Lukaku told Ole he was leave at the end of last season (said by the man himself as you like evidence). We then tried to pull of a deal which would have included Dybala and Mandzukic. I’ll let you explain how that was him trusting in Greenwood?

As for Ashley Young, was you just asleep through the whole of January? We offered him a contract extension to keep him around.

Get a grip.

Dybala to replace Lukaku? Do you even know that both Dybala & Lukaku are playing different role? Dybala is pretty much a no 10 or second striker. If anything we are targeting him to play behind Martial.

You are pretending not making things up but the fact is that you are making it up. Where is this Mandzukic BS? Juventus was the one who wanted us to make Mandzukic as part of the deal with Lukaku and we refused and prefer the Dybala exchange.

Yeah we gave Evra a contract extension a month before we sold him to Juventus. Being offered or signed a contract extension doesn't mean the player won't be sold.

I don't even know why you are even here.

 

[Berbasbullet]

I actually can’t believe there are people criticising Ole’s record with youth players. I don’t think there is another club in the premier league or maybe Europe who has relied on the academy like Ole.

You can criticise Ole for a lot of things but the academy absolutely no chance.

 

[Berbasbullet]

Maguire was targeted by Pep while Bissaka was targeted by Spurs with Sancho is being our main target. Those three are players that top teams wanted to sign and so far we are aiming on the right targets. What do else you want? Bale & Another Sanchez?



Dybala to replace Lukaku? Do you even know that both Dybala & Lukaku are playing different role? Dybala is pretty much a no 10 or second striker. If anything we are targeting him to play behind Martial.

You are pretending not making things up but the fact is that you are making it up. Where is this Mandzukic BS? Juventus was the one who wanted us to make Mandzukic as part of the deal with Lukaku and we refused and prefer the Dybala exchange.

Yeah we offered Evra a contract extension a month before we sold him to Juventus. Being offered a contract extension doesn't mean the player won't be sold.

I don't even know why you are even here.

I believe the received wisdom at the time for Dybala was to either play as a false 9 or in the Lingard role behind Martial/Rashford as split strikers. Which certainly would not have eaten into Greenwood’s game time, obviously as he would be back up to the front 2.

If we signed Mandzukic he would be what Ighalo is now.

 

[Mainoldo]

Maguire was targeted by Pep while Bissaka was targeted by Spurs with Sancho is being our main target. Those three are players that top teams wanted to sign and so far we are aiming on the right targets. What else do you want instead? Bale & Another Sanchez?



Dybala to replace Lukaku? Do you even know that both Dybala & Lukaku are playing different role? Dybala is pretty much a no 10 or second striker. If anything we are targeting him to play behind Martial.

You are pretending not making things up but the fact is that you are making it up. Where is this Mandzukic BS? Juventus was the one who wanted us to make Mandzukic as part of the deal with Lukaku and we refused and prefer the Dybala exchange.

Yeah we gave Evra a contract extension a month before we sold him to Juventus. Being offered or signed a contract extension doesn't mean the player won't be sold.

I don't even know why you are even here.

Just stop talking. Your exposing your lack of knowledge

I said no one was surprised at our targets. You said they was basically by the jist of it because Pep and Poch wanted the same players?

You said Ole sold Lukaku knowing he would give Greenwood minutes instead. I said we tried to sign Dybala and Mandzukic (where there are receipts to back me up). You then said but Dybala and Lukaku play different positions. So explain to me where Greenwood plays?

You said we got rid of Young because Ole was going to trust in the youth. I said we gave Young a contract extension to keep him...

You then brought up the Evra situation as evidence to Young... First of all Evra was an automatic contract extension.. which we activated against Evra’s wishes and the gentleman agreement we had with him. Hence why we sold him shortly after. Once again if you search google there are receipts for this story.

Now let’s just leave it there. We don’t agree but stop making yourself sound stupid. You started off pretty well.

 

[Striker10]

Just like my opinion matters to me, yours matters only to you. Don't talk on behalf of others ( means talk only for yourself)

Basically you are saying if a manager has all his best players available he will win or we shouldn't expect him to win against the likes of Astana or relegation fodders or League one teams ? Nice logic, as you rightly said - your opinion matters just to you.

Oh yes , the 15 run unbeaten that includes Tranmere, LASk,Derby and Club Burge. So pardon me if I wait until the end of season to get excited.

There are certain elements that we miss when certain players are not available for sure. We've seen Jose try to fix the problem. LVG...men with far more experience and who have a track record for success and baring the trophies won, we're in a much better position now. Let's not be snobbish.......I watched games under LVG that were embarassing........We'd kick off games against crap teams and just pass it backwards.....over and over....Joses did well first season but was toxic. You look at position and go.....nah he's got to do this or still to convince me. You are in the minority. And while you can have your opinion......no one cares because he will not get fired. I can tell you that now. Unless he loses the dressing room.

People like you are complete snobs with a detachment to reality. Over the last 5+ years, we've struggled big time against small teams.......Oles rebuilding the mentality of the group. He made a big decision to let Lukaku leave and promote Greenwood. These things don't always work out. Why don't you realize sport is a sport.........it's meant to be fun. So forgive people for thinking we now have a decent platform with which to build on. But of course you need your best players.......So we use an example of people who have been winners in the past and who's personality and experience was not enough for the job. To come back...to keep a squad from self destructing during poor form and to go on a run like we have now, deserves credit......Heck even potch lost the dressing room at Spurs because by demanding more he broke them.

It is a snobbish attitude. United over the last years, made easy games look difficult. Games like today are big in many ways. One is that we cannot say and should not say this is a hard game. Let us see if we can score goals and create chances against these small teams - because they have been an issue for us. Now we play with more confidence and goal scoring options the foundation is there. But there is no perfect manager. None. The squad after many years appear happy. I just don't think you remember how bad we've been over the last 5 + years. It was the worst football you can imagine. Remember? Sometimes not even creating a chance in games. But also it'd be difficult for anyone because we cannot bully teams in the market. Even in the premier league, other then once in a blue moon...clubs have money and/or ask silly money.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

Just stop talking. Your exposing your lack of knowledge

You don't even know what direct football is, you have less knowledge than me pal.

I said no one was surprised at our targets. You said they was basically by the jist of it because Pep and Poch wanted the same players?

Literary I posted this for 4th time already that even Spurs fans amazed with our signings & target.
https://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/in...nder-whats-going-on-at-united.121465/page-200

When I asked you what else do you want instead, you couldn't give me an answer. Instead of moaning about the targets may be you should start appreciate them.

You said Ole sold Lukaku knowing he would give Greenwood minutes instead. I said we tried to sign Dybala and Mandzukic (where there are receipts to back me up). You then said but Dybala and Lukaku play different positions. So explain to me where Greenwood plays?

I think this sums up that you just don't know how to read. I already told you before that Dybala would have been playing behind Martial. Is that where Greenwood play?
And again where is this news that we tried to sign Mandzukic?

You said we got rid of Young because Ole was going to trust in the youth. I said we gave Young a contract extension to keep him...

You then brought up the Evra situation as evidence to Young... First of all Evra was an automatic contract extension.. which we activated against Evra’s wishes and the gentleman agreement we had with him. Hence why we sold him shortly after. Once again if you search google there are receipts for this story.

Now let’s just leave it there. We don’t agree but stop making yourself sound stupid. You started off pretty well.

It doesn't matter whether it's automatic or no. The point of the extension on Evra & Young was that so the players don't leave for free so they can be sold for some value in the summer. If Young didn't sign a contract extension before January transfer window ended, club will be able to approach him to for free without us knowing like what happened to Herrera.

What's so stupid about having a logic point? If anything I can see here is that you are trying to tell people to stop smashing you about all the truth.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

I love him

I don’t care. It’s lovely to have a manager finally who doesn’t put his ego before the job

 

[Berbasbullet]

I mean, who cares if playing the academy players was an accident or not? Ole has done, more so than anyone else in the prem, and he deserves loads of credit for that.

 

[dove]

There are certain elements that we miss when certain players are not available for sure. We've seen Jose try to fix the problem. LVG...men with far more experience and who have a track record for success and baring the trophies won, we're in a much better position now. Let's not be snobbish.......I watched games under LVG that were embarassing........We'd kick off games against crap teams and just pass it backwards.....over and over....Joses did well first season but was toxic. You look at position and go.....nah he's got to do this or still to convince me. You are in the minority. And while you can have your opinion......no one cares because he will not get fired. I can tell you that now. Unless he loses the dressing room.

People like you are complete snobs with a detachment to reality. Over the last 5+ years, we've struggled big time against small teams.......Oles rebuilding the mentality of the group. He made a big decision to let Lukaku leave and promote Greenwood. These things don't always work out. Why don't you realize sport is a sport.........it's meant to be fun. So forgive people for thinking we now have a decent platform with which to build on. But of course you need your best players.......So we use an example of people who have been winners in the past and who's personality and experience was not enough for the job. To come back...to keep a squad from self destructing during poor form and to go on a run like we have now, deserves credit......Heck even potch lost the dressing room at Spurs because by demanding more he broke them.

It is a snobbish attitude. United over the last years, made easy games look difficult. Games like today are big in many ways. One is that we cannot say and should not say this is a hard game. Let us see if we can score goals and create chances against these small teams - because they have been an issue for us. Now we play with more confidence and goal scoring options the foundation is there. But there is no perfect manager. None. The squad after many years appear happy. I just don't think you remember how bad we've been over the last 5 + years. It was the worst football you can imagine. Remember? Sometimes not even creating a chance in games. But also it'd be difficult for anyone because we cannot bully teams in the market. Even in the premier league, other then once in a blue moon...clubs have money and/or ask silly money.

LVG and Jose are clearly way past it. LVG pretty much hasn't done anything of note in 21st century at all while Jose is just chasing compensations from being sacked. They were simply the wrong guys to fix our problems.

I am still not fully convinced Ole is the guy to win us trophies but he is at least targeting the right type of players and definitely loves the club so we can be pretty much certain he won't do anything to benefit himself only. So even if we replace him with someone else in the next few years, our squad should be in a much better shape rather than filled with overpriced deadwood. Now if he manages to get rid of Lingard and Jones, I would become Ole's fan number 1.

 

[Tarrou]

I find it incredible that some still can't get behind a club legend who galvanised the club and is on a 15 match unbeaten run. We're playing some exciting stuff with a young team, home-grown Mancs in the side and importantly he's got the players and fans believing again.

I understand that not everyone is going to be 100% convinced yet but he's clearly heading in the right direction, and deserves all of our support.

 

[InfiniteBoredom]

Even if we win all of our remaining 6 league games, we’d be at only 70 pts. As it stands, we are still likely to finish with the same points as last season (66) or worst case scenario even worse than our worst since Fergie retired (64).


Ole may yet get us a 3rd place and a trophy, and the recent string of results since Fernandes joined has been very good, but the verdict is definitely still out on him and if he keeps his job it would be in some measures due to the turmoils at most of the other top clubs this season. Next season there should be no excuses, we must see a significant improvement in league performance to continue putting faith on him as the manager.

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

Even if we win all of our remaining 6 league games, we’d be at only 70 pts. As it stands, we are still likely to finish with the same points as last season (66) or worst case scenario even worse than our worst since Fergie retired (64).


Ole may yet get us a 3rd place and a trophy, and the recent string of results since Fernandes joined has been very good, but the verdict is definitely still out on him and if he keeps his job it would be in some measures due to the turmoils at most of the other top clubs this season. Next season there should be no excuses, we must see a significant improvement in league performance to continue putting faith on him as the manager.

If this happens shouldn't you blame the board for not bringing in Fernandes earlier?

 

[dove]

If this happens shouldn't you blame the board for not bringing in Fernandes earlier?

But surely we had a team good enough to not be on relegation form for half a season?

 

[Eli Zee]

But surely we had a team good enough to not be on relegation form for half a season?

We had injuries to key players for a lot of the season? De Gea must’ve cost us 6+ points with his errors also.

Let lingard and pereira start games for other teams and see how they do.

Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised to see us being Extremely competitive in the PL next season and making a nice run in the CL, especially if we sign 1-2 more key players.

 

[dove]

We had injuries to key players for a lot of the season? De Gea must’ve cost us 6+ points with his errors also.

Let lingard and pereira start games for other teams and see how they do.

Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised to see us competitive in the PL next season and making a nice run in the CL.

I know we had issues but still we should have done better in the first half of the season. We are on a great run now and long may it continue but let's not try to rewrite history, first half of the season was absolutely shocking by all standards and Ole has to take some blame too.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

I know we had issues but still we should have done better in the first half of the season. We are on a great run now and long may it continue but let's not try to rewrite history, first half of the season was absolutely shocking by all standards and Ole has to take some blame too.

Could it really be done better by relying on Lingard & Pereira as your attacking mid while Pogba being injured?

Do you think Pep will not be fighting for 4th place right now at best if his starting XI are Lingard & Pereira instead of De Bruyne & Silva?

First half of the season we actually have positive signs which people are ignoring. Beating the likes of City, Spurs, Chelsea, drew to Liverpool. There are good signs of what he's trying to do but lack of quality makes the inconsistency.

 

[InfiniteBoredom]

If this happens shouldn't you blame the board for not bringing in Fernandes earlier?

There is some blame on them but a team like ours shouldn’t be on relegation form for 20 games. He did get 120m reinforcement to the defense. Not getting another attacker to replace Lukaku & Sanchez also hurt us massively.

I will allow that the smaller teams in the league are quite competitive nowadays and can give you a fight on any given day, but then you see City even in a very bad season for their standard still on course for 80 pts, that’s what we are competing against if we have any title ambition, so we must improve.

 

[dove]

Could it really be done better by relying on Lingard & Pereira as your attacking mid while Pogba being injured?

Do you think Pep will not be fighting for 4th place right now at best if his starting XI are Lingard & Pereira instead of De Bruyne & Silva?

First half of the season we actually have positive signs which people are ignoring. Beating the likes of City, Spurs, Chelsea, drew to Liverpool. There are sign of what he's trying to do but lack of quality makes the inconsistency.

Reminds me of people saying that Ole was overachieving during that horrible run. Lack of consistency wasn't our main problem. We were consistently decent against teams that gave us space but absolutely useless against all the other 15 teams in the league. Trying to guess if Pep would have done better is pointless, he probably would have but we will never know. I like the direction the squad building is going and I think Ole should stay next season too as there are some promising signs but I just don't agree with the idea that Ole is completely blameless.

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

There is some blame on them but a team like ours shouldn’t be on relegation form for 20 games. He did get 120m reinforcement to the defense. Not getting another attacker to replace Lukaku & Sanchez also hurt us massively.

I will allow that the smaller teams in the league are quite competitive nowadays and can give you a fight on any given day, but then you see City even in a very bad season for their standard still on course for 80 pts, that’s what we are competing against if we have any title ambition, so we must improve.

We came 6th last season. I think it's unrealistic to say we should be competing with City. I think you are looking at the reputation and status of our club rather than how shit we've been in the last 7 years

 

[Ishpan2]

I actually can’t believe there are people criticising Ole’s record with youth players. I don’t think there is another club in the premier league or maybe Europe who has relied on the academy like Ole.

You can criticise Ole for a lot of things but the academy absolutely no chance.

Accurate. In my opinion Ole is a great player coach, meaning he helps players grow and reach their potential.

Unfortunately, he has shown a lot of weaknesses as a tactical coach. He seems to get flustered when faced with a new or unique strategy by an opposing coach, and does not always adjust the tactical layout of the team fast enough or well enough throughout the game.

Luckily, he has been improving in that area. I really hope he can keep growing into a strong overall coach, because he has some very good attributes (such as giving the youth opportunities). The club needs some stability, so I will as always be rooting for our head coach. But he has not completely convinced me yet; once Ole starts consistently demonstrating tactical nuances when the team is facing adversity, he will have a die-hard supporter in me.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

Reminds me of people saying that Ole was overachieving during that horrible run. Lack of consistency wasn't our main problem. We were consistently decent against teams that gave us space but absolutely useless against all the other 15 teams in the league. Trying to guess if Pep would have done better is pointless, he probably would have but we will never know. I like the direction the squad building is going and I think Ole should stay next season too as there are some promising signs but I just don't agree with the idea that Ole is completely blameless.

That's not entirely true though since we also beat Norwich, Newcastle & Burnley before Bruno came in. As soon as we upgraded Pereira/Lingard with Bruno, you can see the improvement that we could beat those other 15 teams. And with Pogba came back from injury, it also helps Bruno that we aren't only relying on him alone to create chance.

My point is that not whether Ole is completely to blamed or no but actually the way how we have been playing have always been the same ever since we drew to Liverpool in first half of the season, that was the turning point of the style of our play imo. The massive difference was the quality in our creativity. People only start realising the turning point or the change now because of our good form with Pogba & Bruno made the difference in that quality.

 

[R'hllor]

Why people cant just say how it really was 1,4,6,8..months, instead of desparate attempts to spin shit around or act like they have amnesia, just to back their own agenda.

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

Just stop talking. Your exposing your lack of knowledge

I said no one was surprised at our targets. You said they was basically by the jist of it because Pep and Poch wanted the same players?

You said Ole sold Lukaku knowing he would give Greenwood minutes instead. I said we tried to sign Dybala and Mandzukic (where there are receipts to back me up). You then said but Dybala and Lukaku play different positions. So explain to me where Greenwood plays?

You said we got rid of Young because Ole was going to trust in the youth. I said we gave Young a contract extension to keep him...

You then brought up the Evra situation as evidence to Young... First of all Evra was an automatic contract extension.. which we activated against Evra’s wishes and the gentleman agreement we had with him. Hence why we sold him shortly after. Once again if you search google there are receipts for this story.

Now let’s just leave it there. We don’t agree but stop making yourself sound stupid. You started off pretty well.

what a horrendous post.

I know we had issues but still we should have done better in the first half of the season. We are on a great run now and long may it continue but let's not try to rewrite history, first half of the season was absolutely shocking by all standards and Ole has to take some blame too.

things take time. We are seeing some of those now.

whatever happens in the future, OGS has done a terrific job in getting back our identity. Getting rid of horrendous characters like Lukuku and Sanchez. Getting rid of players like Fellaini, Rojo, and Valencia that whilst they at least have some of the right characteristics in respect of mentality, just are not good enough.

His signings have been excellent. Far better than any manager post Fergie. If that’s luck, who cares, I love a lucky manager!

It’s almost certain that if OGS goes, the club will be in a hell of a lot better state than after Moyes, LVG or Jose.

we are seeing a great deal of progress.

 

[Berbasbullet]

Accurate. In my opinion Ole is a great player coach, meaning he helps players grow and reach their potential.

Unfortunately, he has shown a lot of weaknesses as a tactical coach. He seems to get flustered when faced with a new or unique strategy by an opposing coach, and does not always adjust the tactical layout of the team fast enough or well enough throughout the game.

Luckily, he has been improving in that area. I really hope he can keep growing into a strong overall coach, because he has some very good attributes (such as giving the youth opportunities). The club needs some stability, so I will as always be rooting for our head coach. But he has not completely convinced me yet; once Ole starts consistently demonstrating tactical nuances when the team is facing adversity, he will have a die-hard supporter in me.

Yep I agree! He’s improving though and has a long way to go, I would rather us keep supporting Ole than go out and get Poch for now though.

Is impressive how Ole seems to get his team to have these big runs of form, I just want him to do what SAF was the master of and that’s bounce back from disappointment in roaring fashion.

 

[Mainoldo]

You don't even know what direct football is, you have less knowledge than me pal.

. What is it? Tell me it’s the same as counter attacking football

Literary I posted this for 4th time already that even Spurs fans amazed with our signings & target.
https://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/in...nder-whats-going-on-at-united.121465/page-200

When I asked you what else do you want instead, you couldn't give me an answer. Instead of moaning about the targets may be you should start appreciate them.

Who cares what Spurs fans think. They was happy with Jose. Let’s just say most of us United fans with sense knew what was going to happen. You probably didn’t though.

I think this sums up that you just don't know how to read. I already told you before that Dybala would have been playing behind Martial. Is that where Greenwood play?
And again where is this news that we tried to sign Mandzukic?

How do you know that? Dybala can play anywhere along the front line. Like literally this week he operated as the furthest man forward for Juve. So riddle me this you said........ We sold Lukaku as Ole had faith in Greenwood as cover? Now your telling me Greenwood can only operate as the Right of a front free? Which is not Lukaku’s position. So was Greenwood cover or not

It doesn't matter whether it's automatic or no. The point of the extension on Evra & Young was that so the players don't leave for free so they can be sold for some value in the summer. If Young didn't sign a contract extension before January transfer window ended, club will be able to approach him to for free without us knowing like what happened to Herrera.

It does matter as it proves once again you was opening your mouth but not knowing what was going on. If we didn’t sell Ashley Young he would have been free to leave like Gomes was On Tuesday. You also said a club would be able to approach him? What did you think Inter did?. Only difference they decided not to wait and sign him in that window.

What's so stupid about having a logic point? If anything I can see here is that you are trying to tell people to stop smashing you about all the truth.

There’s literally no logic. That’s why it’s a problem. You don’t even have facts now which makes it worse. Atleast before there was open facts we sold Lukaku and Ole said Mason would get more game time. But when I brought up Dybala and Mandzukic you must of had a head loss.

 

[Tarrou]

what's this argument about? Ole? I genuinely cannot tell

 

[sugar_kane]

what's this argument about? Ole? I genuinely cannot tell

Not sure but it's certainly a solid reminder of why I put Mainoldo on ignore

 

[Ash_G]

I think overall Ole is doing a good job and generally learning from his mistakes. If we can get ourselves CL football, get Pogba invested in staying long term and sign a good winger then I think we're looking strong for next season with a young team. His main focus has to be consistently winning games against the mid table/lower table teams in particular when he doesn't always have his best players.

My main issue with him at the moment, which in fairness his hands are a little tied over, is when we try to alternate the team. Individually I actually think some of the squad players can do a job for us. For example I think if you put Mata in the team for one of the front 3 or even in place of Bruno he could do a solid job for us, however if you do a complete change of the team and bring in Mata, Lingard, Pereira at the same time, in then I think you are mixing players who just don't suit each other and have the same limitations. That's where I think Ole has gotten it a bit wrong. Clearly some of this is limitations of options but I think some of it is issues of his own making through his selections.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

what's this argument about? Ole? I genuinely cannot tell

Just a poster who can't accept the truth and being salty for getting smashed by fact. Best to put him on ignore.

 

[RedSky]

what's this argument about? Ole? I genuinely cannot tell

Subtext is Mainoldo is pissed Ole is doing well because it means his wet dream Pochettino won't be joining United. Therefore he's critising everything Ole has done in an attempt to feel better. I'm pretty sure he has a 5 minute crying session every time we win. Terrific fan.

 

[rotherham_red]

Subtext is Mainoldo is pissed Ole is doing well because it means his wet dream Pochettino won't be joining United. Therefore he's critising everything Ole has done in an attempt to feel better. I'm pretty sure he has a 5 minute crying session every time we win. Terrific fan.

He's genuinely awful, and I've been pulling him up on his shit since August. I mean, I could accept his hot takes if they had any logic to them, but they are so devoid of it that you'd think they were made by someone still in primary school.

 

[Berbasbullet]

Subtext is Mainoldo is pissed Ole is doing well because it means his wet dream Pochettino won't be joining United. Therefore he's critising everything Ole has done in an attempt to feel better. I'm pretty sure he has a 5 minute crying session every time we win. Terrific fan.

Aaah okay I was wondering why he was moaning so much.

Moaning about us not planning to use Greenwood because we apparently wanted to sign Mandzukic and Dybala when we went onto sign Ighalo and Bruno is well... interesting to say the least.

Also the point someone made about Williams being in the PSG squad is an excellent one.

 

[rotherham_red]

Aaah okay I was wondering why he was moaning so much.

Moaning about us not planning to use Greenwood because we apparently wanted to sign Mandzukic and Dybala when we went onto sign Ighalo and Bruno is well... interesting to say the least.

Also the point someone made about Williams being in the PSG squad is an excellent one.

That was me re Williams, didn't even bother reading his reply, what did he say?

 

[Berbasbullet]

That was me re Williams, didn't even bother reading his reply, what did he say?

Pretty sure it was just ignored.

 

[crossy1686]

what's this argument about? Ole? I genuinely cannot tell

To be fair to him, I started this when I asked him to explain why he said Ole had been proven to be a "bullshitter". He came back with something that was his opinion on the matter from a couple of things Ole said in pressers. It honestly just sounds like he doesn't like Ole, hard to see past that when you read the posts.

 

[bond19821982]

We beat Chelsea and City twice in those runs. Your point just doesn’t make any sense. Why are you specifically referring to those teams but single out the quality ones that we beat? You are ignoring it just to suit your argument.

Because we have been through this before where we beat City or any big gun but was brought down the very next moment. So whats the problem in waiting for some more time before we actually say something.

 

[always_hoping]

Last season? When was this. Except for that crap final I heard about, as I refused to watch it. I don’t remember watching them thinking they play boring football.

Loads of league matches you clearly didn't watch them enough. If I had a penny for everytime someone said its a sign of good team to play poorly and win i would be a rich man.

 

[bond19821982]

There are certain elements that we miss when certain players are not available for sure. We've seen Jose try to fix the problem. LVG...men with far more experience and who have a track record for success and baring the trophies won, we're in a much better position now. Let's not be snobbish.......I watched games under LVG that were embarassing........We'd kick off games against crap teams and just pass it backwards.....over and over....Joses did well first season but was toxic. You look at position and go.....nah he's got to do this or still to convince me. You are in the minority. And while you can have your opinion......no one cares because he will not get fired. I can tell you that now. Unless he loses the dressing room.

People like you are complete snobs with a detachment to reality. Over the last 5+ years, we've struggled big time against small teams.......Oles rebuilding the mentality of the group. He made a big decision to let Lukaku leave and promote Greenwood. These things don't always work out. Why don't you realize sport is a sport.........it's meant to be fun. So forgive people for thinking we now have a decent platform with which to build on. But of course you need your best players.......So we use an example of people who have been winners in the past and who's personality and experience was not enough for the job. To come back...to keep a squad from self destructing during poor form and to go on a run like we have now, deserves credit......Heck even potch lost the dressing room at Spurs because by demanding more he broke them.

It is a snobbish attitude. United over the last years, made easy games look difficult. Games like today are big in many ways. One is that we cannot say and should not say this is a hard game. Let us see if we can score goals and create chances against these small teams - because they have been an issue for us. Now we play with more confidence and goal scoring options the foundation is there. But there is no perfect manager. None. The squad after many years appear happy. I just don't think you remember how bad we've been over the last 5 + years. It was the worst football you can imagine. Remember? Sometimes not even creating a chance in games. But also it'd be difficult for anyone because we cannot bully teams in the market. Even in the premier league, other then once in a blue moon...clubs have money and/or ask silly money.

Completely irrelevant points and some targeted personal attacks . (Read the snobbish word atleast 2 times )you can personally target however you want. Do you want me to reply to you ? Convince me with data points.

I never said LVG or Jose is the perfect guy. My question was very specific- you said the manager need the best available players in all positions to win against league 1 teams or championship or relegation fodders? Do you still stick to it ?

 

[Snow]

I find it incredible that some still can't get behind a club legend who galvanised the club and is on a 15 match unbeaten run. We're playing some exciting stuff with a young team, home-grown Mancs in the side and importantly he's got the players and fans believing again.

I understand that not everyone is going to be 100% convinced yet but he's clearly heading in the right direction, and deserves all of our support.

Because some had convinced himself that he was no good and getting behind him means admitting you were wrong which is impossible for them.

 

[passing-wind]

Was completely Ole out during the period when he was made to be the manager full-time. Results and the recent run have certainly changed my decision. Id give him more time.

We should all understand we are not talking about a perfect manager, we still lack in elements of coaching in our play, breaking down teams (reliant on individual brilliance) but when you consider our record against the top four it is hard to displace Ole in saying he doesn't know what he's doing. Ole isn't SAF or even Klopp he won't get much out of average players but it's just as important to get the best out of world class ones and thus far he's shown that with Bruno / Pogba and co. For me this has always been a problem for Madrid post Zidane, it's not always conventional to have better players if they are not utilised as a team.

One poster who I can't remember made a really good analysis of Ole learning on the job. Being in business I can only admire this concept because a growth mindset is what's needed to succeed (similar for Lampard). While football is a sport I think it's unfair to not consider elements of what helps us grow away from the development of a particular manager. So as long as Ole is continually improving and not stagnating he'll have my respects.

If we finish in the top four I believe he will deserve 2-3 years further at the club with reassurance. If we fail and stay in 5th I'd give him a season to succeed in getting us back in Europe.