I've found that I more often turn to the r/reddevils subreddit whenever I need a dose of positivity. Then I return here when I'm willing to have a discussion (since those are rarer on reddit).
You've missed my point. So I'll ask the question again: did you watch those matches and see why they played out the way they did?
Yeah, I understood your question and my response was fitting. I also watched those games and rewatched the highlights recently. I still disagree with your assertion that the results say more about the opposition than they do about us. Did you not notice that we also played 2 holding midfielders in every single game bar one? Do you remember which game we didn't play the McTominay-Fred axis? It was the 6-1 drubbing against Spurs, the 4th game of the league season. Since then, Ole has reverted to McTominay-Fred as his defensive midfield duo in every single big game. The nil nils aren't a consequence of us having a real good go but just not finding the breakthrough, we've set up defensively in every single one. The City game was a breath of fresh air for sure in terms of actually getting a result. City played right into our hands and it worked a treat. It's a shame it came at a time when City were 17 points ahead and the game had nothing riding on it. I want to see us win important league games against our domestic rivals when the pressure is on and there's something to play for.
Heritage and history. We were already popular team before our golden era with Sir Alex Ferguson. It isn't about playing most attacking football.
Boring or not. We did what we had to do. Some might think chess is boring, some might think it is best game ever. We won, that should be enough. I don't know how people can be negative with a 2-0 win?
Can football change? It can. Nobody says it is perfect. But people can be happy with a 2-0 win and not be negative wich is the first thing some are. We know there are fans, people actually wanting us to lose as many games as possible just to get rid of Solskjaer.
Hum yes obviously, because of another era, the busby babes? Busby babes and Fergie era? Ring any bells? Heritage and history, yes, of playing football the whole world loved to watch, of which football legends were born, which proves my point, I don’t even know what your point is.
I posted about Ole in the Ole thread. A simple equation really.
He won nothing so far. But interesting is how some posters here spin stats and mix subjective/objective opinion in a way to fit their agenda.
But then how does that make him a rubbish coach which is what many ole outers throw at him, like the poster you quoted.
Nearly every Ole in poster think that Jose was rubbish. If Jose was rubbish then by logic (everything the same but zero trophies), Ole is even more rubbish. No?
Jose's last 6 month was rubbish. If Ole takes us to 6th or 7th then yes people will call him rubbish too. I don't know why we have to talk in extremes, so either he is Klopp esque or he must be rubbish championship level coach. Both are not true. Many here acknowledge Ole has flaws. In fact I have seen many ole outers talk some rubbish about Ole than Ole inners talk about Ole. Ole has been called PE teacher, championship level manager, failed cardiff manager, the worst manager in the league. You name it.
Seems to be a common saying this season. Any time we win and win well its because team X played right into our hands.
Damn, failed Cardiff manager is my line. I even used FCM because i used it too much.
Ole Gunnar Freestyle is still my favouriteDamn, failed Cardiff manager is my line. I even used FCM because i used it too much.
Anyway, yeah this 2,5 years were full of extremes from both sides. I agree.
Yeah I hate the boring football to be honest even if we win trophies. But atleast with trophies I can bare it. But I always had pride that our fans would never accept a league title like how Jose won it for Chelsea in 2014 as we demand good football. Once again I underestimated our fanbase. Fergie really made us. Long love the legend.
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Ole Gunnar Freestyle is still my favourite
pure goldImagine: I want to steal your car and you know that. You also know, my chances to succeed are way slimmer if you place it in the garage instead of the street in front of the house. If you don't put it in the garage and I get your car finally, wouldn't you agree, that you played a role in the whole thing as well? Wouldn't you say that it wasn't my mastery in car thievery that got me the car?
Exactly this. No one knows or cares who you played and beat in the quarter finals if you go on to win.
That's because I genuinely think people are missing the mark here. I don't see any people really complaining about our results in isolation. It's lack of progress from a collective, coaching stand point, for me. Results wise, I agree Ole is doing a good job. It goes back to that Jose second season for me though. To finish second given how shite we were in years prior, in isolation that is a very impressive achievement, but it was argued on here by many that it wasn't sustainable due to the football being played, that eventually teams who had coaches improving their players as a collective unit, would be more consistent and effective over the course of a season - which turned out to be true. There was a feeling that we were lacking progress, despite the actual position. That's how I feel with Ole too.
I think club football actually needs a break. You have to wonder how many people are actually getting bored of watching football since it has been on twice a week for almost a year. I have got a bit bored of it myself in general, and there is less of a break between visiting the forum for post-match threads. It is probably the growing boredom of football plus the fact we are not entertaining to watch. It is not really a good combination to find positives. I haven't been paying as much attention, and I forgot there were even games on this week until my phone brought them up.
I think we could have done without a Euros this summer, but I have no issue with club football. I personally rarely ever get bored watching United and when I do its usually down to the mood I had coming in to the game than the game itself
You are right.
I'm sure the plan this summer is to give us more tools to work with. You're right that big teams adapted to us this season and that's a mark of respect.
Not sure about that. How much satisfaction can you get from winning the europa league facing a bunch of teams you've never heard of?
You haven't heard about Real Sociedad and AC Milan? Even Granada should be known to most if they had a look at La Liga in the past years, but yeah they are the weakest team left in the competition.
It's unikely but I'm hoping they don't get enough venues with crowds and scrap the thing.
I was talking about the europa win under Mourinho. Slightly straying from Ole but the point was I think it is important who you beat on the way.
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Interesting article but you get some feeling as if the author was already sure about the last line of the article and just took all the other paragraphs to support this last line.
What?
It reminds me during SAF era, when Liverpool often claiming "team with the most point against Top 4" trophy.
Yup. We've had longest unbeaten runs, clean sheet runs,unbeaten away game runs, most points from insert date. Still zero to show for it all though.
Not gonna happen. There's too much money riding on it and they'll make it work in any way that they can.
