Being concerned at this stage of his tenure is unwilling to give a chance. If Mourinho stayed, I doubt we would make top 6, talk of being in the conversation for the top 4 as we were.
Again, explain to me how that is a problem? If the Manager wants to rebuild and the chairmen isnt allowing it then its on the chairmen not the Manager. Whats the Manager meant to do exactly? Smuggle in new players?
Jose constantly received flack for signings, what he said, what he didn't. Yet now we're giving Ole a free pass on all transfer business and what he says in the media because he's a likable person?
It implies that I don't know yet whether things will get worse or get better in exactly the same way that I wouldn't know if things would get worse or get better if we hired a proven 'world class' established coach such as LVG or Mourinho.
What? Jose Mourinho got the signings he wanted, he got the flak when he talked shit about the club and performance was terrible.
I think we disagree with the core principle of appointing a newbie manager when we're on the slide. To me is exactly the opposite. If we don't have competition we can afford to appoint a rookie manager. But in this case appointing Ole is a mistake that we will lose 1-2 seasons on top of that.
I think it's pretty logical that our most recent form is what is looked at primarily. We completely fell apart in the latter part of the season - not just in terms of fitness but in terms of looking demotivated, lacking inspiration, and tactically clueless. The unbeaten run was brilliant, but it was superceded by total rubbish. You yourself have said that Chelsea should never have appointed Di Matteo, so I think it's probably fair to say that you don't think they should have kept in him in the job when their form fell apart the following season because he'd won the FA Cup and CL three months previously?
Their form didn't fell apart, Chelsea were 3rd and just 4 points behind ManUtd when they sacked him.
Eh, how do you work that out?!
I think it's pretty clear that their form fell well behind what they expected from the team - otherwise they wouldn't have sacked him, surely?!
We'll clearly agree to disagree.
They sacked him as they didn't qualify from group stages of CL, nothing to do with league form.
And Jose got the criticism when he underperformed and Jose got the sack when he should and Jose was criticized for the players he brought.
YupWe'll clearly agree to disagree.
How did he fail to deliver? Did you watched 2019-20 games already? Please don't post the spoilers.
My god, so nobody should be feeling any concern? Or do you just mean that nobody should be admitting to it?
He was sacked the following season - so there was the relegation, then not performing effectively in the Championship after signing a load of players. Not great is it?
Ah I see, form in CL qualifying doesn't count?
Yeah, failing to qualify from group stages means they are always sacked. It's not as if coaches like Conte, Klopp, Van Gaal all failed to qualify from group stages before and still continued without getting sacked.
The players take no blame for that. You can only do so much for the players and then they have to be men and take over themselves. Pogba and Lukaku have been wanting to leave before the end of the season, before Mourinho left. A lot of players were looking to leave before Ole came in and a case in point is Herrera. Ole did his utmost to pull us out of the gutter and disarray because I believe we were heading towards 10th or 11th in the table.
I hope you don't run a business if this is your attitude to recruitment.
I said he should be criticized for everything he fails to deliver. Some things obviously hasn't happened yet.
I have my doubts about Ole, just being happy to be at Man United, therefore not properly stomping down his authority to the players and voicing concerns to the board when warranted. However, we've tried the experienced approach and it went to shite 3 times in a row, so I don't have an issue giving Ole some breathing room to implement his plan. I hope he proves himself I really do! If results aren't coming he'll be under severe pressure though and maybe axed by December.
It's hilarious you do the exact same thing with Mourinho.
Nothing has happened yet as we haven't even played a game in preseason.I said he should be criticized for everything he fails to deliver. Some things obviously hasn't happened yet.
Woodward is constantly blamed for not being up to par on the transfer market, it's not only this year or last or something else.
This year is the first time since 6 years we see going for young/hungry Brits or raiding Championship/lower level PL teams. So if you pin it on Woodward solely that means:
1. He decided the change his strategy from going after superstars to low profile players over the course of a year.
2. Ole has no part in the transfer business, then what difference would it make being given a transfer window to bring his OWN players?
You do understand Woodward is working on deals that presumably Ole has identified right? Longstaff, James, AWB, Rice etc aren't exactly his cup of tea considering what we saw in the last 6 years.
In essence if we fail to recruit the right players Ole has to shoulder the blame for steering the targets into that profile that fits his ideas right?
What are you on about? I said he was sacked because of poor form - poor form includes league, cup and European games. I think you're tying yourself in knots here.
Again, managing Cardiff is nothing like managing United. Moyes, was great at Everton but relegated Sunderland and failed everywhere else. Managing a club is not always black and white. You have to analyze with some nuance.
It would have been hilarious if it was correct or if Jose didn't sign every player he wanted except Perisic in first 2 seasons.
Who knows what happened after the great initial run.
What I will agree on is the whole "sign British players" is a load of nonsense. If that is Oles idea then it's pretty fecking dumb. So much young foreign talent out there who would jump at the chance of playing for us, but you just got to find them a season earlier is all. I mean just look at the immense French talent being produced right now, are we seriously suggesting we should pass that up because they arent British!? Madness.I said he should be criticized for everything he fails to deliver. Some things obviously hasn't happened yet.
Woodward is constantly blamed for not being up to par on the transfer market, it's not only this year or last or something else.
This year is the first time since 6 years we see going for young/hungry Brits or raiding Championship/lower level PL teams. So if you pin it on Woodward solely that means:
1. He decided the change his strategy from going after superstars to low profile players over the course of a year.
2. Ole has no part in the transfer business, then what difference would it make being given a transfer window to bring his OWN players?
You do understand Woodward is working on deals that presumably Ole has identified right? Longstaff, James, AWB, Rice etc aren't exactly his cup of tea considering what we saw in the last 6 years.
In essence if we fail to recruit the right players Ole has to shoulder the blame for steering the targets into that profile that fits his ideas right?
Big managers come with demands that money be spent. Managers who wake up everyday feeling like they’re in a dream don’t make those demands.
That's why I said for some of those things he will he accounted for at a later stage
Ha, it's too easy to give Ole the credit when the team are winning and none of the blame when it all goes to shit. The truth is somewhere in between.
But when Jose and Van Gaal weren't sacked when they had poor form (without having any great form prior) it shouldn't matter.
Likewise they will have learnt a lot about him. If any part of that end of season form was a loss of respect, he’ll struggle to get that back.
I doubt it's Woodward's idea tbh. He'd never look for underwhelming signings and is about the glamour from what I've seen.
Of course he should be accounted for everything on the pitch, there will be no excuse.That's why I said for some of those things he will he accounted for at a later stage
I blame Woodward for not backing up Jose when he delivered a 2nd place finish. Blame Jose for bringing up some of the signings he made obviously.
I don't see Ole complaining he isn't backed and Woodward came out and said he will back him up.
If Ole is behind the Brexit thing would you blame him for the lost window if the players we bring up don't work?
Do you agree with the strategy we have employed so far?
Well of course that's one way to look at it. I would say it's far more likely that initial 'feelgood factor' that comes from a new manager building up confidence and belief will only get you so far. I'm gobsmacked about that bit in bold - are you saying that the board have 'got serious about signings' this summer so far?
Yeah because you were present in the discussion between Woodward and Ole?
