The margins to beat Palace and Wolves?
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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I'm expecting around 6th again with the squad we have (it's not good enough, yet), anything else will be a bonus. I don't think a different manager would dramatically change our fortunes one way or the other.
Where is Ranieri now? Why didn't he take his great plans to Fulham?
Maybe but no guarantees again, we’ve been there with Jose and lvg
Honestly couldn't give a shit anymore, I'm just so apathetic to this club right now
Managers aren’t expected to last 20 years at a single club. They are expandable if the club is ran right. Brief success is better than continuous failure don’t you agree?
I didn't watch the game today.
Having watched the highlights we lost because of two errors by Lindelof and De Gea. De Gea should save that and Lindelof lost in the air to bloody Schlupp. That is appalling. Lastly we should have had another penalty and potentially even a red card from the ref.
Having watched the highlights we lost because of two errors by Lindelof and De Gea. De Gea should save that and Lindelof lost in the air to bloody Schlupp. That is appalling. Lastly we should have had another penalty and potentially even a red card from the ref.
You don’t have a guarantee. Yet the chance is much bigger which is the main point.
Again Moyes and Ole were worse choices and unsurprising they are the worst managers out of the four.
3 wins in 17 deserves a poll. The off season shouldn't mask Ole's cluelessness.
I see shades of Moyes in Ole when it was clear he was out of his depth and today's first half vs LVG football.
Ole's too soft for this.
I see shades of Moyes in Ole when it was clear he was out of his depth and today's first half vs LVG football.
Ole's too soft for this.
Agree with this - Rome wasn’t built in a day!
I used bring - both work*Bought
Oh that championship winger that scored our only goal today hmmmmm
I was replying to the other post that used championship level player to describe our attack
It's absolute madness really. Ole has the job only and only because he played for United. United have a squad massively better than palace so yeah congrats that we dominated them . It might even be that they let us dominate them and play on the counter as a tactic
3 wins in 15 games is not down to margins 
Lvg disappointed me most, I had zero expectation of moyes.
There has been progress under Ole I think, well we got rid of that pudding Fellaini
Not a chance he leaves them for us. They've started backing him in the market with good players. Why would he come here just to try to restart a project from the ground up when he could be challenging for silverware?
I hope you are right about the players and I hope they do care and feel like they let fans down. Sometimes I feel a lot of modern players just enjoy their wealth and stature more than anything else.
We have big games against Arsenal and Liverpool soon after Southampton so they need to really look at themselves because the basics being done wrong is just not on, we need a marked improvement by players and Ole as we lose a couple more games in next few weeks we really will be in a mess.
As for the youth I hope we draw some rubbish teams in Europa so we can play them and gain confidence. Look at Greenwood today, he was brimming with confidence after pre season and I really think he should have started v Chelsea to continue that form, but with no real game time since, he looked well off the pace today with the added pressure due to us being one down at OT he did not play well.
It’s a tough call for Ole but have Lingard for example produce nothing week in week out achieves what. I would rather play a youngster like Greenwood who will make mistakes but surely improve over time. Same with Gomes, I fear we may lose him for free next summer if we don’t start giving him some minutes.
Ole is not capable of building Rome.
LvG still won FA cup and CL place. Ole has our worst run in 50 years and can actually ‘improve’ on that.Lvg disappointed me most, I had zero expectation of moyes.
There has been progress under Ole I think, well we got rid of that pudding Fellaini
Obviously the expectations were higher due to their resumes but that doesn’t mean that we should be happy with mid table finish because we appointed a nobody.
Understand your argument but at what point is it the players fault?
I played a decent level first team Lancashire league, the manager wasn’t worth a word of he said. Came down to what went on the pitch every time.
And the Roman Empire didn’t fall in one day.
It's mind boggling how people think Solskjaer has an open chequebook to do what he wants and this squad is what he chose as a result.
Our club hasn't been run right though, leaving us with a squad that isn't fit for purpose and set up for continuous failure. We've seen the first signs of starting to change that.
Who is talking about open chequebook?
Ole said he’s happy with the squad. Ed came out and said he will be backed.
If that’s the case he should be responsible with what happens on the pick and the results, or lack of them.
Appointing Ole is one of the reasons our club isn’t run well.
What signs? 3 wins out of 16? Seriously?
I have said Ole is partly responsible for the squad and will rightly pay the price if we don't reach top 4.
But getting top 4 with this squad would be some achievement.
Not looking for a mid table finish but lvg got sacked mid fa cup win which shows in what regard that trophy was held (we would take it now
)Didn’t realise it was our worst run in 50 years if true (I remember the 80s when I was singing fergie out on united road) but I still “feel” it will come good with ole.
It’s not partly. But as any other manager on the planet if that plan doesn’t work he will have the biggest share of the responsibility. It’s how management work really.
They have a decent team when everyone fit. Lampard's Derby looked good as well. He is continuing that at Chelsea. I expect them to be strong contenders for top 4.
Oh believe me I don't like the players at all . For the first time at the end of last season my feeling was that United could sell any player in the squad and I really wouldn't feel sad about it . Unfortunately across the board we are now full of decent to good players getting paid crazy money with little to show in terms of output . Problem is that I don't see Ole being the guy to turn that around either.
They will contend but it's not some big achievement if we finish ahead of them.
57 years even!Not looking for a mid table finish but lvg got sacked mid fa cup win which shows in what regard that trophy was held (we would take it now
Didn’t realise it was our worst run in 50 years if true (I remember the 80s when I was singing fergie out on united road) but I still “feel” it will come good with ole.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.th...kjaer-admits-city-are-kings-of-manchester/amp
We gave him the contract too early and should've waited till the end of the season. Unfortunately our owners seemingly are influenced by what the pundits on TV say having demanded Solskjaer to be given a contract following the PSG victory.
That cheered me right up
I used to love nearly every play that played for us, lately I can’t count on one hand I feel the same for.
Finishing ahead of both Chelsea, Arsenal and any other challenger that appears will be an achievement.
Mind you even if Ole gets us top 4, it doesn't mean he is the right person to get us challenging for a title. Challenging Liverpool or City would require a near perfect season. Would Ole ever reach that level. We will find out this season but not looking good.
For how many years should a club the size of Man United keep doing this? We are perpetually in transition(4th - 6th) and always needing to get rid of players who need 1 billion chances just to prove if they are up to our standards or not. I ask again..for how long?
Exactly, we need to be patient. Give time for Ole to build and develop a young team that will dominate for seasons to come. SAF was given time and dominated for a generation.
I'm not getting on his back 3 games into the new season ffs.
Mind you that was last season and since then our results are even worse.That cheered me right up
Despite that Chelsea win(which improves it a bit) I honestly can’t recall a worse set of results for United manager since Jimmy Murphy.
Trying to update our footballing style and culture in the tactical modern age of 2019, by attempting to replicate the 90s and 00s motivational methods of a uniquely inspirational motivational manager, without that manager, was alwasy a pretty iffy recipie for success...
Liverpool’s decline was predicated on their slavish adherence to the “boot room”.... which fell apart when football changed in the 90s, and the old school ideologies of Souness and Evans simply didn’t cut it anymore.... yet for some baffling reason we’ve all convinced ourselves that the clubs failures under Mourhino and LVG (themselves antiquated - albeit high profile managers) was entirely down to them not being sufficiently “United” enough... which basically just meant “not Alex Ferguson”... or rather “not the subjectively mythical version of whichever of the many different Alex Ferguson sides we imagine had the most discernible style!”
Liverpool’s decline was predicated on their slavish adherence to the “boot room”.... which fell apart when football changed in the 90s, and the old school ideologies of Souness and Evans simply didn’t cut it anymore.... yet for some baffling reason we’ve all convinced ourselves that the clubs failures under Mourhino and LVG (themselves antiquated - albeit high profile managers) was entirely down to them not being sufficiently “United” enough... which basically just meant “not Alex Ferguson”... or rather “not the subjectively mythical version of whichever of the many different Alex Ferguson sides we imagine had the most discernible style!”
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United and Ole have definitive problem to be solve.
First. United didn’t had enough fast and skillful ball players to open up a parking bus Palace today. And the transfer window is close. So United only can solve the problem with intern solutions. But to be honest. Ole and his coaching staff should know the need of those kind of players. To prior and buy in the summer, special if Ole is planning to sell Sanchez too. United had money and two months should be enough to get realistic really good and skillful players. Like Chiesa, Bruno or Kai Havertz.
No competition from others big clubs to get Chiesa and Bruno. But i am not sure about Havertz.
Other reasons not to get a creative cm or rw. Maybe Ole and his team had trust on Greenwood and James as wingers. Why only one rw was linked to United. It was Pepe. And the RW position, has been clearly screaming out to buy by most of United fans for years now and Ole should know that too. Because he has following United for years after Sir Alex retirement. So not buying a creative cm and rw in the summer. The manager is the one to blame. Because Ole has said in public. He has the last word in United transfer in and out. Realistic target was out there to get.
So what can United do now, to solve the rw and parking bus problem?And i have been following United academy since the years of Januzaj and Depay playing reserve games. So i definitive know United academy players qualities.
So the intern solutions are:
+ Play Angel Gomes as a free 10. Right now, i rate Gomes as the best nr.10 player in the club. And special to open up parking bus. He is best to do it in the club. He is fast and skillful in small areas.
+ And as for RW against a parking bus team. Then you have Greenwood and Chong. James suit best for counter or playing in the left. James is not a Salah or Robben kind of player or never will be. To take on players like those two.
Then the line up be like this:
Greenwood/Chong - Gomes/Perreira/Mata/Sanchez - Martial/James/Rashford + Rashford/Martial/Greenwood
Then Lingard and James will suit better playing against opponents where United sit back. Then you stay compact and use a 451 formation and drop the nr.10 role. Have 5 midfield players is more compact then only 4 midfield players.
451 special against better teams :
Lingard/Greenwood - Perreira/Fred - McTom - Pogba - Rashford + Martial/Greenwood
Future extern solution if i was United manager:
+ If Chiesa is still at Fiorentina in December this year. Buy Chiesa in January and play him as right winger. Then United shall try to get Sancho next summer. But again. Chiesa is a must buy, because Chiesa can play all over attacking line. A versatile player.
Summer 2020 window targets:
- Sancho
- Kai Haverts
- Bruno if Pogba leaving
Pontential line up in January 2020, in a 442 formation
Chiesa - McTom - Pogba - James/Martial +
Rashford/Greenwood - Martial/Rashford
There you have adding Chiesa will help to open up parking bus team, will help some but could still be better. And hopefully not too late to get top 4. But using Gomes as a nr.10 from now to January will help some way to open parking bus team.
Until summer 2020:If without Pogba
Sancho - Havertz/Bruno - McTom - Chiesa +
Rashford - Martial
After Chiesa in January 2020
Then Sancho as new RW
And one of Havertz or Bruno for Pogba if he is leaving next summer.
So that are only the ways/solutions i think United and Ole can do. To fix and strengthen the attacking ability to open up parking bus teams.
Another solution intern is to train, coach and skill up your own players. To open up parking bus teams.
Then i can honestly suggest look at how Norwich are playing. United don’t have players like City and Liverpool. But Norwich midfield, full back and theirs attack. To be honest, right now. As a team Norwich are playing better attacking football and football in general than United.
Look at how they are playing. Theirs players are always moving to new areas after passing, the combination passing football. They are always moving to new areas to make it easier for the passer. And after 3 matches. We all can see how many chances Norwich had created, by moving alot without the ball. Not only one movement, but nany movement at the same time.
So to sum up. When United attacking playing as a team are not good as Norwich. Imagine if Norwich players have more clinical than Pukki. They will score more goals. Wait to Norwich meet Crystal Palace. Palace should park the bus against Norwich too. And even Palace park the bus against Norwich. Norwich players will find some way to open it up and score goal.
The Norwich head coach had been coaching his team really well. Norwich are playing how football shall play, in the attack of course. This is how i want to play football too. But instead of Norwich players. I buy and gel players like Sancho, Chiesa, Havertz, Martial and Rashford into a team. Always in the movement, to receive passes and make it easier for the passers.
So two thumbs up for Norwich head coach. Norwich are playing really good attacking football in the first 3 matches. A joy and really entertain to watch. A lot of good movement and precise passers. So again, look closely at Norwich players movement without ball. They are movement a lot without the ball. Because you can’t stand still against parking bus. So Let them work.
Again, Norwich attacking movement without the ball can inspire United and Ole, until United get players who already are good at doing it. Precise pass and movement football. Norwich are doing it right now. Really close to the top level, but without top players. Credit to Norwich head coach and his team.
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Alternative line up to get the best out of the squad and team is.
Put Rashford as right winger, James to left and Greenwood up with Martial upfront.
Then you have :
Rashford - McTom - Pogba - James/Gomes + Greenwood/Gomes - Martial
Special if you don’t trust Gomes as a free nr.10. Then you put Greenwood as a left striker with Martial upfront. Can need up Rashford workrate on the right side. But still Chiesa shall buy in next January. Because. Like Greenwood, develop Rashford as a best striker as possible. Then go out and try to buy Sancho in next summer. Then RW problem solve. Then you can move Chiesa over to left, if..you can get Sancho. Sancho and Chiesa on wide sides, potential best rw and left winger in Sancho and Chiesa. A future really good team to open up parking bus teans.
First. United didn’t had enough fast and skillful ball players to open up a parking bus Palace today. And the transfer window is close. So United only can solve the problem with intern solutions. But to be honest. Ole and his coaching staff should know the need of those kind of players. To prior and buy in the summer, special if Ole is planning to sell Sanchez too. United had money and two months should be enough to get realistic really good and skillful players. Like Chiesa, Bruno or Kai Havertz.
No competition from others big clubs to get Chiesa and Bruno. But i am not sure about Havertz.
Other reasons not to get a creative cm or rw. Maybe Ole and his team had trust on Greenwood and James as wingers. Why only one rw was linked to United. It was Pepe. And the RW position, has been clearly screaming out to buy by most of United fans for years now and Ole should know that too. Because he has following United for years after Sir Alex retirement. So not buying a creative cm and rw in the summer. The manager is the one to blame. Because Ole has said in public. He has the last word in United transfer in and out. Realistic target was out there to get.
So what can United do now, to solve the rw and parking bus problem?And i have been following United academy since the years of Januzaj and Depay playing reserve games. So i definitive know United academy players qualities.
So the intern solutions are:
+ Play Angel Gomes as a free 10. Right now, i rate Gomes as the best nr.10 player in the club. And special to open up parking bus. He is best to do it in the club. He is fast and skillful in small areas.
+ And as for RW against a parking bus team. Then you have Greenwood and Chong. James suit best for counter or playing in the left. James is not a Salah or Robben kind of player or never will be. To take on players like those two.
Then the line up be like this:
Greenwood/Chong - Gomes/Perreira/Mata/Sanchez - Martial/James/Rashford + Rashford/Martial/Greenwood
Then Lingard and James will suit better playing against opponents where United sit back. Then you stay compact and use a 451 formation and drop the nr.10 role. Have 5 midfield players is more compact then only 4 midfield players.
451 special against better teams :
Lingard/Greenwood - Perreira/Fred - McTom - Pogba - Rashford + Martial/Greenwood
Future extern solution if i was United manager:
+ If Chiesa is still at Fiorentina in December this year. Buy Chiesa in January and play him as right winger. Then United shall try to get Sancho next summer. But again. Chiesa is a must buy, because Chiesa can play all over attacking line. A versatile player.
Summer 2020 window targets:
- Sancho
- Kai Haverts
- Bruno if Pogba leaving
Pontential line up in January 2020, in a 442 formation
Chiesa - McTom - Pogba - James/Martial +
Rashford/Greenwood - Martial/Rashford
There you have adding Chiesa will help to open up parking bus team, will help some but could still be better. And hopefully not too late to get top 4. But using Gomes as a nr.10 from now to January will help some way to open parking bus team.
Until summer 2020:If without Pogba
Sancho - Havertz/Bruno - McTom - Chiesa +
Rashford - Martial
After Chiesa in January 2020
Then Sancho as new RW
And one of Havertz or Bruno for Pogba if he is leaving next summer.
So that are only the ways/solutions i think United and Ole can do. To fix and strengthen the attacking ability to open up parking bus teams.
Another solution intern is to train, coach and skill up your own players. To open up parking bus teams.
Then i can honestly suggest look at how Norwich are playing. United don’t have players like City and Liverpool. But Norwich midfield, full back and theirs attack. To be honest, right now. As a team Norwich are playing better attacking football and football in general than United.
Look at how they are playing. Theirs players are always moving to new areas after passing, the combination passing football. They are always moving to new areas to make it easier for the passer. And after 3 matches. We all can see how many chances Norwich had created, by moving alot without the ball. Not only one movement, but nany movement at the same time.
So to sum up. When United attacking playing as a team are not good as Norwich. Imagine if Norwich players have more clinical than Pukki. They will score more goals. Wait to Norwich meet Crystal Palace. Palace should park the bus against Norwich too. And even Palace park the bus against Norwich. Norwich players will find some way to open it up and score goal.
The Norwich head coach had been coaching his team really well. Norwich are playing how football shall play, in the attack of course. This is how i want to play football too. But instead of Norwich players. I buy and gel players like Sancho, Chiesa, Havertz, Martial and Rashford into a team. Always in the movement, to receive passes and make it easier for the passers.
So two thumbs up for Norwich head coach. Norwich are playing really good attacking football in the first 3 matches. A joy and really entertain to watch. A lot of good movement and precise passers. So again, look closely at Norwich players movement without ball. They are movement a lot without the ball. Because you can’t stand still against parking bus. So Let them work.
Again, Norwich attacking movement without the ball can inspire United and Ole, until United get players who already are good at doing it. Precise pass and movement football. Norwich are doing it right now. Really close to the top level, but without top players. Credit to Norwich head coach and his team.
Edit :
Alternative line up to get the best out of the squad and team is.
Put Rashford as right winger, James to left and Greenwood up with Martial upfront.
Then you have :
Rashford - McTom - Pogba - James/Gomes + Greenwood/Gomes - Martial
Special if you don’t trust Gomes as a free nr.10. Then you put Greenwood as a left striker with Martial upfront. Can need up Rashford workrate on the right side. But still Chiesa shall buy in next January. Because. Like Greenwood, develop Rashford as a best striker as possible. Then go out and try to buy Sancho in next summer. Then RW problem solve. Then you can move Chiesa over to left, if..you can get Sancho. Sancho and Chiesa on wide sides, potential best rw and left winger in Sancho and Chiesa. A future really good team to open up parking bus teans.
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This is still Utd that hasnt changed. But I get your point.
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