Louis Van Gaal and Jose Mourinho couldn't sort out the dressing room, that's two of the biggest managers in the modern game. LVG had to use dummy e-mails to try to weed out the bad eggs, Mourinho tried everything under the sun to weed them out (ended up looking like a lunatic because of the crazy shite he tried).Fergie had some clout though and came with a reputation from Aberdeen. It took him a while to sort the dressing room out and he did that by getting the leaders there, Robbo for example, in his corner.
I should have added, I suppose, that player power in 1986 wasn't what it is now. Seems they hold all the cards and if they don't like a manager, he'll go before they do.Louis Van Gaal and Jose Mourinho couldn't sort out the dressing room, that's two of the biggest managers in the modern game. LVG had to use dummy e-mails to try to weed out the bad eggs, Mourinho tried everything under the sun to weed them out (ended up looking like a lunatic because of the crazy shite he tried).
We are in for a long ride.
Van Gaal was right, the only thing that has seperates Jose and Ole is the counter attack.He can talk about fitness all he likes but United's ability to play with the ball needs to improve. He can't just hang his hat on counter attacks as that'll be sussed out soon enough.
I think the point is that anyone can work hard, whereas we have some people in the team that can't pass or control the ball better. Of course they need replacing but the players who can do something that would benefit the team but decide not to due to apathy should be the first on the chopping block.Does anybody think the hard work point is being overplayed? I mean we certainly need to improve this aspect but there are other areas I feel we are even weaker in. Ashley Young but his passing and close control is rubbish. We need the buildup to be better in terms of passing combinations, ability in tight spaces etc
I think they are a tired squad. Suddenly switching from zombie football to high press football wasnt sustainable. When players are tired their football goes to shit.Does anybody think the hard work point is being overplayed? I mean we certainly need to improve this aspect but there are other areas I feel we are even weaker in. Ashley Young but his passing and close control is rubbish. We need the buildup to be better in terms of passing combinations, ability in tight spaces etc
I keep reading this, but I don't think that will happen though. This is his dream job, remember? Would essentially be career suicide for him.I think he'll save his reputation with the fans by walking away. Maybe I’m giving him too much credit.
Ole Gunnar is trapped. If he starts to name blame our stars he lose what’s left of the dressing room and if he says he don’t know he’s clueless. It’s a game he can’t win.
The solution is to do what Sir Alex did and take control of the dressing room. Sell for example Martial and De Gea and you will witness a change in attitude. Authority comes with actions, not words.
Can you tell me some of his transfers? I didnt follow him much when managing.Ole has a very hit and miss transfer record though.
So that's hardly comforting either.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport...kjaer-cardiff-city-manchester-united-15511297Can you tell me some of his transfers? I didnt follow him much when managing.
Exciting times... not.
A preseason won't make up for being tactically inferior to managers like Nuno Santos and Marco Silva.
Solskjaer isn't PL quality, he was relegated with Cardiff and since then no PL clubs have shown any interest in him.
A leggy team with good tactics are still decent to watch, even if they lose.
Olé has no clue how to impose dominant, 'big club' tactics onto a game at this level - he sat there today and did nothing, he had absolutely no ideas how to even try and change the balance of the game.
The club should act now and bring in a manager worthy of this massive job - let Solskjaer go, and preserve his great legend as a player.
He isn't a good enough manager, and it's crystal clear.
Was the same before he took over and our running improved when he took over. However since the string of injuries our pressing and workrate has droppedQuite interesting that United have ran less than 15 out of 17 opponents since Ole took over.
Ran 8km less than Everton today which is crazy.
Nah feck that. I dont want liverpool to win the league but we need to twat City midweekBy making amends I hope he means handing City the title.
The stat says we ran less than the opponent in 15 out of 17 matches under Ole. It didn't improve, mate.Was the same before he took over and our running improved when he took over. However since the string of injuries our pressing and workrate has dropped
It's difficult to go from the least fit team in the league to a high tempo pressing game in mid season. They worked their arses off then hit the wall, hence the injury crisis and poor running stats in recent weeks.Was the same before he took over and our running improved when he took over. However since the string of injuries our pressing and workrate has dropped
Whilst true. Fitness is a big reason why we are not playing the same way as when Ole first arrived. Pressing and high intensity is at the for front of how he wants us to playIf his only diagnosis of our problems is a lack of fitness he'll struggle. Maybe when we don't have the ball but when we have it a lack of running and speed isn't why we're bad in possession.
We don't need preseason to start implementing pass and move
There were also stats that showed we ran more when he took over. Always depends on what stats you look at. Example how many teams did we outrun before he came?The stat says we ran less than the opponent in 15 out of 17 matches under Ole. It didn't improve, mate.
Yes thats what my thought are although some players dont belong alsoIt's difficult to go from the least fit team in the league to a high tempo pressing game in mid season. They worked their arses off then hit the wall, hence the injury crisis and poor running stats in recent weeks.
They need a preseason geared towards Oleball instead of zombie ball.
Yep. You can’t suddenly turn people like Matic, martial young etc into pressing monsters over night. I think it’s fair to say we need a big pre season with less stupid commercial activities.It's difficult to go from the least fit team in the league to a high tempo pressing game in mid season. They worked their arses off then hit the wall, hence the injury crisis and poor running stats in recent weeks.
They need a preseason geared towards Oleball instead of zombie ball.
Looks like from the stat posted today we got run by everyone bar 2. The issue is still here. It just shows it was never managerial instructions, just our gutless players being spineless and gutless.There were also stats that showed we ran more when he took over. Always depends on what stats you look at. Example how many teams did we outrun before he came?
Yeah, as Ole said it needs to be survival of the fittest. Those who cant play his way wont last.Yes thats what my thought are although some players dont belong also
We were bottom of the running stats last season yet finished 2nd, I would suggest it was instructions (Mourinho sides have never pressed high and he's never had the full backs bomb on) but it's difficult to have a second pre-season with only 1 week off all year.Looks like from the stat posted today we got run by everyone bar 2. The issue is still here. It just shows it was never managerial instructions, just our gutless players being spineless and gutless.
There are more stats than the one posted today as I said.Looks like from the stat posted today we got run by everyone bar 2. The issue is still here. It just shows it was never managerial instructions, just our gutless players being spineless and gutless.
We're still the same. If it was instructions it would have changed but nope. Also Mourinho is pretty much known for favoring hard work than technical things. It's the players for me.We were bottom of the running stats last season yet finished 2nd, I would suggest it was instructions (Mourinho sides have never pressed high and he's never had the full backs bomb on) but it's difficult to have a second pre-season with only 1 week off all year.
Bring them so we can discuss them and compare them to the one posted today. Maybe it shows we ran slightly more than Mourinho reign not that we actually outrun our opponents under Ole ?There are more stats than the one posted today as I said.
If you dont seen the difference in tact ial setuo between Oles first block of games and after the injuries then fine. But its clear there is a differenceWe're still the same. If it was instructions it would have changed but nope. Also Mourinho is pretty much known for favoring hard work than technical things. It's the players for me.
We ran out of steam after an hour in the early games when we tried to press then we started getting injuries. You can't have a pre-season where you work on certain things and you have a manager who doesn't want to press and doesn't want to rotate regularly and then suddenly bring in a manager who wants to press, the same thing happened to Liverpool in 2015/16. The difference being they decided to go with a completely different approach because they were getting an elite manager, we're banking on becoming an organised, intense, pressing side under a manager with no track record.We're still the same. If it was instructions it would have changed but nope. Also Mourinho is pretty much known for favoring hard work than technical things. It's the players for me.
Not in the point we're talking about, being outrun by opponent and all that. Actually, to be totally honest nothing much has changed tactically apart from Ole's few first games. Again all these point to the players as Ole and Mourinho surely have different ideas of football so it's them at this point.If you dont seen the difference in tact ial setuo between Oles first block of games and after the injuries then fine. But its clear there is a difference
People keep on saying this but it is literally impossible to revamp an entire squad in one transfer window. It's FIFA-style nonsense.It's about time fans started to realise it's not the managers but the players. Jose wasnt a right fit for our club at all but he was completely correct when he said getting our team to 2nd was as far as he could go.
We've seen what the team can do when they do want to play, they showed it when Jose was sacked. Pogba is out of this world on his day. But one good performance every now and then isn't good enough. Get them out. De Gea isn't willing to play for the badge get him out, he's not been the best this season anyway.
The only players I'd keep in this team is Lindelof, Shaw, Rashford and McTominay (and the youngsters). Everyone else needs to go. I like Herrera as well but he's off to PSG by the sounds of it.
The players are a disgrace to this club not OGS. Ferguson wouldn't keep many of these players.
You decided to quote me on a point I was making and talking about stats. If you want to disprove what I said then you can bring the stats.Bring them so we can discuss them and compare them to the one posted today. Maybe it shows we ran slightly more than Mourinho reign not that we actually outrun our opponents under Ole ?
By excited, I presume you mean giddy.I guess the club was as exicted as the fans were. We did win like eleven games in a row, after all. Giving him the contract right away was certainly premature and short-sighted, but maybe it seemed safe enough and was deemed to be what's necessary to recapture an increasingly disillusioned fanbase.
Except that wasnt the point I was making when you quoted meNot in the point we're talking about, being outrun by opponent and all that. Actually, to be totally honest nothing much has changed tactically apart from Ole's few first games. Again all these point to the players as Ole and Mourinho surely have different ideas of football so it's them at this point.
As far as I'm concerned the one who claims something brings it. have the stat posted today. You claimed there was a different stat. Feels logical for me to bring it yourself to discuss.You decided to quote me on a point I was making and talking about stats. If you want to disprove what I said then you can bring the stats.
