BR7
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You know, there is that very small chance that we could be in serious trouble by the end of the season if we don’t get rid of ole now and bring a real manager in. We can’t discount it entirely
Another difference is that Woodward had no investment in Moyes whatsoever, as he had little or nothing to do with his appointment. Sacking Ole is going to to result in massive loss of face.A big difference back then is that we had senior influential players that Moyes had lost and Woodward would listen to.
Solskjaer hasn't lost these players, they just aren't that good. I'm sure Woodward will have advisors telling him as much.
I remember at this time I was 100% convinced Moyes would at least get one more season and was totally shocked when he was sacked. Hopefully will turn out the same.I would not read too much into the press not reporting that he's getting the sack. I followed Moyes time at Utd (lol) fairly closely and before he was sacked there was ZERO in the press about him getting the boot. Then we beat you at Goodison and next day he was gone.
Or there's no point in spending another £50 million on a player that all of the fans want us to get rid of us in 2 years time because they weren't good enough. We're in a bad position, we've got injuries and we've spent £800 million on this squad due to panic buys which have had no long term impact. Buying any old player might "secure" 5th, but I hope that our management have a longer term vision than that......If Woodward doesn't strengthen the squad this window, then he is crucifying Ole. Or else he has already talked to Poch and is waiting for the end of the season.
I don’t know why people say this. The right managerial appointment can/will make a stark difference. Liverpool fans were protesting FSG then they appoint Klopp and look.You don't feel as if solskjaer will get the sack as it wouldnt solve all that much
Man, I know you're right but I look at the players and think - how much can someone improve them? Poch had a better team than us with spurs but he won shit all with them. Mourinho couldn't do it. How much can someone else really do with limited signings and a second rate squad.I don’t know why people say this. The right managerial appointment can/will make a stark difference. Liverpool fans were protesting FSG then they appoint Klopp and look.
We need a manager that can get us playing football, and none of this counter-attacking crutch thing that seldom works on big teams, and doesn’t for the rest of the table. United should be trying to boss big games rather than hope them kick and run bandit tactics will take us to the promised land.
This isn’t the greatest squad but you mean to tell me a decent manager can’t prevent Burnley knee slides celebrations at OT or even Rochdale taking us to pens at home?
Getting rid of Ole would solve a lot. He’s awful.
Yeah he really needs to stop these comparisons to managers like Fergie and Klopp because those guys had a proven record at another club before they joined Utd and Liverpool respectively.Klopp was a world class manager with multiple league and cup titles in a top 5 league as well as a CL final under his belt by the time he got to Liverpool. He also was at the forefront of a style of play, that was changing the football landscape, gengenpressing, much like Pep with tiki-taka or whatever before him.
Ole is just so shameless.
Soz! Seriously though, where are we in the league? Where do you think we should be? Your comment about us not having played an ounce of good football all season is pathetic.I’m sick of you.
We haven’t played an ounce of good football all season and he’s the worst manager we have ever had. But he’s doing fine. Yes probably by his own personal standards.
A lot of the stuff you list isn't Ole's fault. We've had a poor run of form and injuries which is clouding peoples judgement. I'm not saying Ole is the saviour of United and will be in the job for 20 years, I'm just pointing out that he isn't doing that badly based on league position, some very good results against top sides and some nice football at times - for me some of the most entertaining and attacking since Fergie. He needs more time, we haven't reached a point where he needs to be sacked. That will come if he continues to lose to poor opposition and eventually loses the players trust.Second largest wage bill in the league, massive investment done since Fergie left as a champion (think we’re easily top3 in spending in that period) and you’re telling me casually losing to bottom 6 sides and smiles after each embarrassment are completely fine, because opposition fans assumed we’d again finish out of top4 this season? Well they did so because they know our manager has absolutely no success to his name (and even if I consider Klopp an underachiever, the fact Ole tries to compare himself to the German is just sad), little to no idea how United should play and complete lack of ability in terms of motivating players. That’s far from fine for me
agh, do love a good rendition of that one from the terraces. My Liverpool supporting brother in law and City supporting uncle had better watch out!Next you’re gonna tell me that United fans don’t really want to build a bonfire consisting of Liverpool and City fans.
He's 4 points off 14th man. He's doing horrific. NewcasI'm just pointing out that he isn't doing that badly based on league position
This is my concern. Not talking relegation or any nonsense like that, but I do fear for a bit of a bad run, and the possibility of a rough, very rough second half of the season. This will not be a good look for the club at all. Just makes everything that much harder. I read a comment today where OGS suggests ' we have only had one real transfer window..'.You know, there is that very small chance that we could be in serious trouble by the end of the season if we don’t get rid of ole now and bring a real manager in. We can’t discount it entirely
So you don't think we are playing or trying to play attacking football?He's 4 points off 14th man. He's doing horrific. Newcas
And if you're entertained and seeing attacking football when we've won just 9 from 24, you need your head checking.
So you don't think we are playing or trying to play attacking football?
I bet @Regulus Arcturus Black is waiting for our next three games to end for those that are using being 5th in the league as a defense for Ole
I think he wants to play a hybrid. The ability to play counter attacking football when it’s to our advantage but also developing a possession based game. His insistence on playing out from the back is a sign of that in my opinion.We may be trying, but we are failing pathetically. Ole isn't a creative manager, it's plain as day that he wants to play gong-and-dash counter attack football and that's about it. It's not as boring as LVG; it's not as boring as Jose's worst games; Moyes' was equal, for me. Moyes was trying to play underdog attacking football and failing, too. One thing Moyes was relatively good at was comfortably beating the lower-level sides. He was shite at everything else.
ha ha. Well it's not exactly like I'm sat here rubbing my hands together that we have Wolves and Chelsea to come and that I fully expect us to be around 10th in a few weeks, I absolutely hate it.I bet @Regulus Arcturus Black is waiting for our next three games to end for those that are using being 5th in the league as a defense for Ole
Only in the same sense David Moyes wanted to. Difference is that Ole wants to do everything on the counter and Moyes wanted everything to be about getting the ball wide and whipping balls into the box.So you don't think we are playing or trying to play attacking football?
I think I remember one match under Moyes at OT where we lost but had something like 70 plus crosses in the box that day (or something like that - remember white shirts somFulham or maybe Swansea....) spot on with the Moyes commentOnly in the same sense David Moyes wanted to. Difference is that Ole wants to do everything on the counter and Moyes wanted everything to be about getting the ball wide and whipping balls into the box.
Our most entertaining season by far since SAF left was the Zlatan/Pogba year, we made so many chances that year and I just wished we could've seen that team with the current Rashford sharing the goalscoring burden.
Don't think we even tried to cross the ball that much. It was that Fulham game, but we never had Fellaini playing high up the pitch as someone to target in the box.Only in the same sense David Moyes wanted to. Difference is that Ole wants to do everything on the counter and Moyes wanted everything to be about getting the ball wide and whipping balls into the box.
Our most entertaining season by far since SAF left was the Zlatan/Pogba year, we made so many chances that year and I just wished we could've seen that team with the current Rashford sharing the goalscoring burden.
I’m not sure why we would though scholsie, he had a poor first touch and ultimately you kind of expect your strikers to finish one of the crosses coming in.Don't think we even tried to cross the ball that much. It was that Fulham game, but we never had Fellaini playing high up the pitch as someone to target in the box.
If Moyes really aimed for that football he would have used him in the same role he had at Everton.
Moyes actually tried to play more possession based football, but just had no clues how to do it. Got better near the end with Mata a bit in the easy games though.
It was around 70 or something crazy like that. Evra and Rafael I think put in most of them. We didn't seem to have a plan beyond cross it and hope for the best. I don't think even Fellani played in that one, but it was crosses towards Rooney and Persie I think. Good players in the air when given time and space, but not enough to justify crossing towards them like crazy.I’m not sure why we would though scholsie, he had a poor first touch and ultimately you kind of expect your strikers to finish one of the crosses coming in.
The point about possession football under moyes I think was to stretch and open spaces in wide areas. He suffered a similar problem to ole, the ball just wasn’t being passed around quickly enough, there were a lot of small side ways lethargic passes and teams would sit deep against us and park busses which made it even more difficult.
I remember we only ever really utilised Fellaini high up the pitch when we we’re chasing a goal near the end of games.
Thanks for,pointing out it was the Fulham game. Do you r member roughly how many crosses we tried I seem to remember it was ridiculous
Nail on the head. Prior to Pool Klopp was already a proven top manager. Ole just isntKlopp did it in 4 years. You are not fecking Yurgen Klopp, you are a mediocre manager from the norwegian league. Klopp reached 2 finals in his first few months and in his first full season he reached 4th with 76 points.
27 crosses per game we averaged, and not City-esque crosses from the byline, they’d come in 30 yards from goal etc from out fulbacks.Don't think we even tried to cross the ball that much.
Apart from the Fulham game I am not sure we had that as a plan though. More like we didn't know how to break teams down and then crossed it.27 crosses per game we averaged, and not City-esque crosses from the byline, they’d come in 30 yards from goal etc from out fulbacks.
Moyes gameplan was the same as at Everton but with added possession I’ll admit, stretch the oppo, get it wide, get it in.
I’d like to know how the poster @fergieisold thinks we’re playing exciting attacking football when the stats not only say we aren’t but every single week we line up with 2 DM’s and more often than not a non-scoring, non-assisting number 10.
Counter attack football is not a style of play, we should be ashamed of saying it as a club like united. If he is using the counter attack football because he has no players then he should be fired. He should implement his ideas of the attacking football he promised the fans of even with shitty players. We see managers around the word try to show their style of football with their teams disregard to the players quality, Poch in Espanyol and Southampton and early Spurs, Klopp in early BVB and early Liverpool. Everybody saw what they were doing. But Ole, what is his style? It is sit back and wait for the other team to lose the ball and counter attack and that is disgraceful to build a team around.Apart from the Fulham game I am not sure we had that as a plan though. More like we didn't know how to break teams down and then crossed it.
Valencia obviously tried his fast crosses towards noone that sometimes worked.
If it was a plan then why on earth didn't he bring Fellaini into the box more like LVG and Mourinho did and Moyes the season before at Everton when Fellaini dominated for him?
Fellaini had 0 goals for us under Moyes and played as a DM away from the goal a lot. Not like he did a good job there anyway.
I guess the answer is Moyes had no clue though. Not sure he had a plan.
Anyway regarding Ole it is clear that we do not have a plan apart from counter attacks when we get the chance.
Agreed. I have to say I concur with a lot of your posts. You set out the situation perfectly in one post. We all wanted ole to succeed when he got the job it’s not that we didn’t. I dont think there’s a United fan out there who doesn’t love ole the player.27 crosses per game we averaged, and not City-esque crosses from the byline, they’d come in 30 yards from goal etc from out fulbacks.
Moyes gameplan was the same as at Everton but with added possession I’ll admit, stretch the oppo, get it wide, get it in.
I’d like to know how the poster @fergieisold thinks we’re playing exciting attacking football when the stats not only say we aren’t but every single week we line up with 2 DM’s and more often than not a non-scoring, non-assisting number 10.
Only if behind the scenes the new manager has signed a contract and Ole knows he is off. It takes a good while to pick your targets, so you'd hope the new manager is already relaying to the club who he is interested in.Happy for Sméagol to see out the rest of the season. It would be almost unfair at this stage and leave a feeling of being somewhat short changed not to let this utter tragedy run its course.
Besides the season is a write-off at this stage and the challenge of detoxifying Solskjaer's special stench will be a much more acceptable task to ask of the new man in the summer.
Counter attacks is a style though. Not enough for a big side though since teams will not give away space for the counter more often than not.Counter attack football is not a style of play, we should be ashamed of saying it as a club like united. If he is using the counter attack football because he has no players then he should be fired. He should implement his ideas of the attacking football he promised the fans of even with shitty players. We see managers around the word try to show their style of football with their teams disregard to the players quality, Poch in Espanyol and Southampton and early Spurs, Klopp in early BVB and early Liverpool. Everybody saw what they were doing. But Ole, what is his style? It is sit back and wait for the other team to lose the ball and counter attack and that is disgraceful to build a team around.
Self preservation. He didn't want his marquee signing to be associated with hoof ball, so he was reluctant to put him in the box.Apart from the Fulham game I am not sure we had that as a plan though. More like we didn't know how to break teams down and then crossed it.
Valencia obviously tried his fast crosses towards noone that sometimes worked.
If it was a plan then why on earth didn't he bring Fellaini into the box more like LVG and Mourinho did and Moyes the season before at Everton when Fellaini dominated for him?
Fellaini had 0 goals for us under Moyes and played as a DM away from the goal a lot. Not like he did a good job there anyway.
I guess the answer is Moyes had no clue though. Not sure he had a plan.
Anyway regarding Ole it is clear that we do not have a plan apart from counter attacks when we get the chance.
2 midfielders. I don’t see Fred as a purely defensive midfielder at all. He’s actually been pretty good getting the ball forward. What we do in the middle is good generally, quickly getting the ball forward...but that’s when the problems start. No creativity.27 crosses per game we averaged, and not City-esque crosses from the byline, they’d come in 30 yards from goal etc from out fulbacks.
Moyes gameplan was the same as at Everton but with added possession I’ll admit, stretch the oppo, get it wide, get it in.
I’d like to know how the poster @fergieisold thinks we’re playing exciting attacking football when the stats not only say we aren’t but every single week we line up with 2 DM’s and more often than not a non-scoring, non-assisting number 10.
Why on earth get Fellaini then? The point of having him is putting balls into the box towards him.Self preservation. He didn't want his marquee signing to be associated with hoof ball, so he was reluctant to put him in the box.