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A serious question to everyone, now with Ole looking likely to get sacked, can anyone name me a manager who did very well in recruitment but failed to get results, ultimately got sacked because of that? Just curious.
What was Sir Matt’s start with us like? Someone might say he could become the next Busby given enough time and backing.First it was continuous comparisons with Fergie's early days, now it's Klopp every day. I wonder what is next for Ole supporters, comparisons with Pep or Zidane?
How is any of that wrong? His best stint was at Molde, unless you consider getting relegated with Cardiff and then promptly sacked more impressive?behave.
@Damien can this be done as it is becoming increasingly annoying for many posters that all Redcafe had become is talk of oleMaybe we could merge threads? Three different Ole threads essentially talking about the same thing. It can be difficult to follow and same people are making the same arguments in different threads from both sides. I don't see the point in that.
Dont know why it’s debatable. He’s more of a legend than Andy Cole. Therefore he’s just a cult hero really.
Sorry Andy!! I rate you more though. You actually started games
Sorry Andy!! I rate you more though. You actually started games
Hilarious coming from a Liverpool fan considering that lot thinks Dirk fecking Kuyt is a legend and all he won there was a league cup.Liverpool fan at work bought something up, said he wouldn't class Ole as a club legend. Fan favourite but legend? Was very dismissive and got me thinking....perhaps he is more of a cult hero than an actual legend?
Actually it's hilarious that once you don't rate a person as a good football manager, people start to rewrite their playing days.Hilarious coming from a Liverpool fan considering that lot thinks Dirk fecking Kuyt is a legend and all he won there was a league cup.
Woody has his flaws. Many flaws. But regarding managers he had some good( and bad) decisions.Basically, if the board let Pochettino slip through their fingers, so they can continue with Ole’s ‘rebuild, then they are exactly as idiotic as we have all feared.
I don’t think Woodward is a bad person or anything, he obviously believes he’s making the right decisions. He’s just not football minded at all. I don’t think it’s about saving money either as I think he’s going to give Ole a chunk of it in the summer.
This really is depressing. What a bunch of fecking clowns.
If that happens I'm done with this clubAbsolutely no reason for Pochettino to be hanging around with Neil Ashton. Well, there's no reason for Ashton to be hanging around with anyone to be honest but even less so, a manager we've been linked with. It seems Ole's getting until May then (most likely, and perhaps unfortunately) moving upstairs to be DOF.
Even if he's being prospected by us, why would he have any business with a PR rep?Absolutely no reason for Pochettino to be hanging around with Neil Ashton. Well, there's no reason for Ashton to be hanging around with anyone to be honest but even less so, a manager we've been linked with. It seems Ole's getting until May then (most likely, and perhaps unfortunately) moving upstairs to be DOF.
Don't know about Custis, but Poch is a big fan of Bielsa. And since they've been spotted at a Leeds game, it's safe to assume that they were watching his side in action... at least Poch was.Even if he's being prospected by us, why would he have any business with a PR rep?
It was a potentially pivotal game for Leeds if I'm not mistaken? So I can imagine some attraction by the football folk. Ashton may have been there for recreational reasons or other unrelated to United.Don't know about Custis, but Poch is a big fan of Bielsa. And since they've been spotted at a Leeds game, it's safe to assume that they were watching his side in action... at least Poch was.
The bigger question is what was our PR guy dong there? I seriously doubt that he traveled all the way to Leeds for a quick chat with Poch.
It just doesn't make any sense, it's he hasn't had 4 years and hundreds of millions to do a cultural reset or anything? Where on earth is his Everton DNA?? He didn't even score a goal in a final 20 years ago for the club!By the way, Everton are above us in the table currently, they were pretty much looking like a relegation candidate before Ancelotti took over.
Maybe he is much more than that, you never know with Woodward and his cronies - for example, Judge is officially our Head of Corporate Development but he doubles up as our Chief transfer negotiator.Even if he's being prospected by us, why would he have any business with a PR rep?
It just doesn't make any sense, it's he hasn't had 4 years and hundreds of millions to do a cultural reset or anything? Where on earth is his Everton DNA?? He didn't even score a goal in a final 20 years ago for the club!
Gonna have to think on this..
Who would have known? A better manager getting good results shocker and now we are going to be hearing about how Everton have a much better squad than ours, at this rate you'd think we were recently promoted from the Championship.It just doesn't make any sense, it's he hasn't had 4 years and hundreds of millions to do a cultural reset or anything? Where on earth is his Everton DNA?? He didn't even score a goal in a final 20 years ago for the club!
Gonna have to think on this..
Possibly new manager bounce. Ole had a good run when he came in. If they stay above us it's a fair point(and they quite easily could)By the way, Everton are above us in the table currently, they were pretty much looking like a relegation candidate before Ancelotti took over.
We have a game in hand + new manager bounce. Silva was a dead man walking for awhile and looked to have lost the dressing room. Someone suggested Ancelotti would last 2 years max before given the boot in another thread so we'll see.By the way, Everton are above us in the table currently, they were pretty much looking like a relegation candidate before Ancelotti took over.
It's the same nonsense from the usual suspects every time a new manager wins his first few games. Before Ancelotti they were preaching about how Arteta has transformed Arsenal within weeks despite the fact he has only won one league game in his two months. Before Arteta it was Pearson, Potter and Farke. When Ancelotti's bounce is over they'll jump onto whoever the next guy is to win a couple of games in a row.We have a game in hand + new manager bounce. Silva was a dead man walking for awhile and looked to have lost the dressing room. Someone suggested Ancelotti would last 2 years max before given the boot in another thread so we'll see.
Whilst I generally agree, we wait and see, it doesn't change the point that regardless of new manager bounce, their form beforehand should have meant we should be well clear of them regardless, but it's a testament to how poor we've been that we are 11 points from the relegation zone and they've managed to overtake us, hell, throw in last seasons Championship team that are playing better football than us, and are above us in the league, and i dare any Ole supporter to tell me Sheffield have a better squad than us.We have a game in hand + new manager bounce. Silva was a dead man walking for awhile and looked to have lost the dressing room. Someone suggested Ancelotti would last 2 years max before given the boot in another thread so we'll see.
Didn't, considered Rush, Gerrard as legends. Didn't even put Carragher in there.And yet he most likely consider fowler a legend or many others at that shite club who hasn't seen a league title in 30 yrs that term, where as Ole has earned his as a player, maybe never as a manager but will be always a UTD legend for his years of service and lacking of bitching.
He's actually very level headed. Said from that era, Giggs, Beckham, Keane, Scholes, Schmeichel were legends.Hilarious coming from a Liverpool fan considering that lot thinks Dirk fecking Kuyt is a legend and all he won there was a league cup.
It's the same nonsense from the usual suspects every time a new manager wins his first few games. Before Ancelotti they were preaching about how Arteta has transformed Arsenal within weeks despite the fact he has only won one league game in his two months. Before Arteta it was Pearson, Potter and Farke. When Ancelotti's bounce is over they'll jump onto whoever the next guy is to win a couple of games in a row.
Like OGS last year?
Well, they obviously aren't. Butt is the only one who might be considered, but as a player he's a lesser version of Scholes/Giggs in every sense - clearly doesn't make it as a "legend" when compared to those two.Said Butt, Berg, Johnson and Yorke weren't legends either. Seemed to make sense.
That was 90 % of my point. People in this thread go way over the top every time a new manager wins a couple of games, and use that as a stick to beat Ole with, completely ignoring that the manager they're bashing in fact had a new manager bounce lasting 3 months. There are thousands of sticks to beat Ole with (rightly so) but arguments like 'they actually have a style within weeks', 'this proves you don't need 6 windows to win a game' etc. are completely nonsensical. Anyone failing to see the irony in those arguments must have lived under a rock during Ole's first couple of months here.Like OGS last year?
Way to completely miss the point. I've said Ole is out of his depth a million times. Nowhere did I 'defend' him. Nowhere did I 'overlook' anything. This post pretty much sums up the majority of the regulars in this thread. Put words into others' mouths, create pathetic straw man arguments and then act holier than thou.Haha, I know man. That gets conveniently overlooked doesn't it. Slate other managers for being beneficiaries of a new-manager-bounce while pretending the man they are defending wasn't appointed based on that alone...…and has since proven that it was that alone!
Angry mob will be here any moment telling you that you 'conveniently overlooked' that Ancelotti is a better manager than Ole and that you should be ashamed to even mention those two in the same sentence.I would say pump the brakes a little bit on the Ancelotti praise. As United fans we of all people should know what a manager does in his first few months is not necessarily indicative of any long term success.
I think his three CL wins say otherwise, they really shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence to be honest. Ole will do well to have a career that Moyes has had let alone comparing him to Ancelotti.Angry mob will be here any moment telling you that you 'conveniently overlooked' that Ancelotti is a better manager than Ole and that you should be ashamed to even mention those two in the same sentence.
gerrard is a legend for slipping, the spitter was an over rated tool, but Rush gave them 15 yrs of service, scored a goal more less every 1 and a bit games (660 games, 346 goals) won 5 league tiles, 3 fa cups and 2 euro/cl cups so yet thats a legend.Didn't, considered Rush, Gerrard as legends. Didn't even put Carragher in there.