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Ole Gunnar Solskjaer | W15 D2 L4
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Matic is just horrendous, too slow. He was shocking vs Arsenal as well. Mctominay was good against Palace, Southampton and PSG, he should have started today, why persist with Matic. Terrible performance and result, everyone was just static, passing sideways with no runs in behind or passing in between the lines. Very reminiscent of LVG and Jose football. Awfully disappointing, Lukaku was actually a miss today; Our front 3 did absolutely nothing.
We are still a very fragile team. We came out flat against Arsenal, a game we should have been smashing as they had one day rest/preparation. Soon as you lose that momentum, we looked nervous and just really poor tonight.
We need to see how Ole can get us to react now and get back on track as this could go downhill fast.
We need to see how Ole can get us to react now and get back on track as this could go downhill fast.
Wolves are a good side... their results this season have shown it. We needed to be right at it if we were going to win tonight and we just weren’t at all. Too many players performing so far below what we know they can.
The team looked lethargic and we moved the ball far too slowly. We played like it was a friendly rather than our best chance of silverware. Perhaps some of it can be put down to all the players coming back from injury and not being physically 100%... but the attitude really needs to improve for the matches we have coming up.
The team looked lethargic and we moved the ball far too slowly. We played like it was a friendly rather than our best chance of silverware. Perhaps some of it can be put down to all the players coming back from injury and not being physically 100%... but the attitude really needs to improve for the matches we have coming up.
We can't put this one on Ole.
This very game is what I would show to the board in a meeting. I'd make them sit and watch the whole thing. And by the end I'm sure that a £200m cheque for transfers will be signed.
We need to re-assemble a top squad full of great young players who have, most importantly, a great attitude. This process needs to be done with great care, and I do believe Ole is the right guy to do this.
This very game is what I would show to the board in a meeting. I'd make them sit and watch the whole thing. And by the end I'm sure that a £200m cheque for transfers will be signed.
We need to re-assemble a top squad full of great young players who have, most importantly, a great attitude. This process needs to be done with great care, and I do believe Ole is the right guy to do this.
We lost due two stupid individual mistakes, failed to clear a pass and then conceded at the near post. Our attacking was always breaking up as we couldnt finish any buildup. Arrogant at times too, the front three should have done better, cant blame Ole for this as on paper this is our strongest 11 bar the GK, we just didnt turn up.
We would be more silly to offer him a permanent job with at least 10 more games to play this season.
It's reactionary to talk about a single game?
Yeah this summer is very important in terms of getting the fitness levels up to play a more aggressive game. Definitely a blessing for us that there’s no tournament this summer.
I think that plays a part but the performance against arsenal wasn’t bad and today he got it wrong with his selection. Martial, Lingard and Herrera looked like players who were half fit and they are.
Pogba and Rashford just look shattered which has been the case for sometime.
I’ve always been on the fence about ole. My heart wants him to stay but my head says something else. That said some of the reaction on here is laughable
I agree. Need a response.
All the goodwill with the press and fans is wonderful but if we play like a Jose mark 2 side then there should be a question mark
Every coach learns with experience.
I think the problem with the 2 lossess are that it signifcantly impacts end of season goals. We are out of a winnable tournament and lost a six pointer against a top 4 rival. I agree that it is 2 games but consecutive results such as this prior to an international break affects confidence and we all know how that can snowball.
Ole has done a magnificent job since he has come in and perhaps because of his own success hopes have been raised that the old United are back. This is obviously not the case. If we fail to get top 4 and barcelona kick us out of the champions league then we start next season on the back foot whoever the manager is. Honeymoon is done. Now for real marriage!
Ole has done a magnificent job since he has come in and perhaps because of his own success hopes have been raised that the old United are back. This is obviously not the case. If we fail to get top 4 and barcelona kick us out of the champions league then we start next season on the back foot whoever the manager is. Honeymoon is done. Now for real marriage!
I wouldn't make a decision until the end of the season.
I'm worried that our general performances have been trending down for a while now.
We need a huge summer.
I'm worried that our general performances have been trending down for a while now.
We need a huge summer.
HERETIC
I'm one of the 6.3% but l accept that Ole will probably get the job and we will waste another couple years, while City gets stronger & stronger.
Agreed. Threw them in too willy nilly. No reason why McTominay has lost his place tbh. He was one of MoTM vs PSG and now a ghost.
Pochettino hasn't won many games recently and Ole has actually made up 10pts on him. Poch has also won nothing with this philosophy. He is not the example.
Zidane doesn't need one. Maybe we don't. We didn't have one under SAF. This vision stuff is hipster nonsense. Just play well, play attacking, move into space, work it into the box, take shots
He’s ran our key players into the ground.
We need more options, this team was always going to get knackered when we're having to rely on the same players, or players coming back from injury.
You seem not to fancy him?
Arsenal game was good performance poor result
This was poor performance poor result.
I think it will be interesting to see how he and the team react after these disappointments..
This was poor performance poor result.
I think it will be interesting to see how he and the team react after these disappointments..
Lose the momentum and it can go into reverse. I hope that's not the case with us. I still think Ole will get us over the line into top four.
What key players?
It will be interesting to see how the players respond to these defeats. They apparently want Ole to get the job, let's see them give everything to ensure he gets it.
The main worry at this point isn’t so much the results but the dip in performances. The football has declined significantly in the last month or so and we’ve had a few players going back to their Mourinho form where there’s lots of walking around the pitch and laziness off the ball. If we get back into those habits we’re doomed regardless of who’s in charge.
As for today, Ole didn’t change it quick enough and Fred should have come on earlier to inject some energy, it was way too ponderous. Also not having any attacker on the bench. There’s also been little things like playing Pogba off the left that haven’t worked at all.
As for today, Ole didn’t change it quick enough and Fred should have come on earlier to inject some energy, it was way too ponderous. Also not having any attacker on the bench. There’s also been little things like playing Pogba off the left that haven’t worked at all.
When our best players all play on the same side of the field, Pogba, Shaw and Martial, it's imperative that we put some threat on the right. Lingard tucks in and does very little, making the Wolves defence able to focus solely on one half of the pitch.
We are so easy to defend against, unbelievable that Ole has continued with just abandoning the right wing. Chong or just someone who can stay out there could at least stretch the defence.
We are so easy to defend against, unbelievable that Ole has continued with just abandoning the right wing. Chong or just someone who can stay out there could at least stretch the defence.
It’s a frustrating period but it’s also been an incredibly difficult one. Three back to back away games against tough opposition in three different competitions with an injury crisis (not so much an excuse today).
Wolves were fully committed today in a way which our players were unable to be. Fergie had moments like this and his teams always came back more determined. Now we see if Ole can get a reaction like Fergie or quickly lose the dressing room like the previous three managers.
Wolves were fully committed today in a way which our players were unable to be. Fergie had moments like this and his teams always came back more determined. Now we see if Ole can get a reaction like Fergie or quickly lose the dressing room like the previous three managers.
But what the feck did Dalot do exactly?
Peope say that we don't need Wan Bissaka but he put in a better shift in defeat than Dalot did.
Rashford, matic, lindelof, smalling, pogba....
It's almost like he inherited a squad with absolutely appalling quality beyond those key players and has had to deal with an injury crisis.
No, wait, it's exactly like that.
It's not Ole. It's these fecking soft skinned babies we have out there. Our response to going down a goal continues to be losing focus even more, feeling bad for themselves and conceding a second before a sense of pride and desire returns.
Palace. Newcastle. City. Burnley PSG. Arsenal Wolves. Just the last couple seasons it's a real piss poor reaction. All mental. Doesn't happen if we score first from what I recall. One of the hallmarks of that string of wins when ole first started
Palace. Newcastle. City. Burnley PSG. Arsenal Wolves. Just the last couple seasons it's a real piss poor reaction. All mental. Doesn't happen if we score first from what I recall. One of the hallmarks of that string of wins when ole first started
1) Yes we can. He is the manager. If Jose and Lvg were blamed for shit like this, if Ole is glorified for wins against Arsenal Chelsea, Psg...then we can say that some defeats are on him. Arsenal game wasn't but this just is.
2) We will not have rebuilding. We signed new contracts with most of our players who are not good enough so this is next year's squad plus 2 or 3 new players
Will be interesting on how Ole gets the team to respond after international break.
I'll give you today, as several players looked shite, but Arsenal? As a whole, we played well against them, but our finishing let us down, which was made worse by De Gea dropping a clanger.
He shouldn't have thrown in a load of players coming back from injury like that. He had players with momentum and dumped them back on the bench. The ones coming back from injury should have been on the bench.
He couldn't wait for ManUtd to lose the game, so that he can post "now it's safe time to criticize Ole" I'm not even joking.You seem not to fancy him?
Maybe I said that wrong, but I'm not sure Ole is the right man for the job. Who knows though. We will see soon enough I guess.
You know some of them were injured, right?
And Man Utd is a place where managers should learn and get experience?
No it doesn’t help that 90% of our players, either only play when they feel like they’re loved and wanted or are simply not good enough to be at the club. That is the problem.
There is still a lack of quality in our first XI which can only be addressed in the summer. He's doing the best with what he's got but there was an over reaction to his initial impact on individual players.