Ole Sack Watch

Should we replace the manager ?

  • Yes - Its time to make a change

    Votes: 3,004 87.8%
  • No - Give him more time

    Votes: 449 13.1%

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Check out United's instagram. Along with Ole's picture, there was this patronising quote from the P-E Teacher.: "We understand everybody's frustrations, but the boys and the staff will do everything they can to get us back to what we were: a front foot, positive, attacking Man United."

He is not getting sacked. And if that's true, I will take a hiatus from football.
Yeah, but those are Ole's words, standard PR guff that all managers are obligated to do after a game. Those words aren't a reflection of how the board feels about Ole moving forward.

If the board is in full support of Ole, they will release a statement saying as much. Like they've done numerous times during his tenure. No word at all is fairly damning for Ole.
 

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You know feck all about me to throw the "top red" shite about. I go to watch football a massively varying levels every week and frankly regardless of what you're stood watching, booing is pathetic. Shout whatever you want at players or the manager, I don't give a feck, make as much noise as you like, make your opinion heard etc. The actual act of standing there going "boooooooooooo" is fecking pathetic and the sort of shite I'd expect from a 3 year old.
booing is quite the norm in toxic situations across any level of sport. Weird you associate that with a 3 year old
 

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Just read the Ornstein article in The Athletic.

Basically he's safe until UCL qualification for next season is mathematically impossible.

Which, although I think he should be sacked now, is fair enough I suppose as that was the criteria for sacking Moyes and Van Gaal.

If he completely loses the dressing room like Mourinho, then ofcourse the situation will change.
That's how you end up missing out on the top 4, rather than making a change when needed.
Moyes was in his 1st season so the board could be excused a bit at least.
 

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You know feck all about me to throw the "top red" shite about. I go to watch football a massively varying levels every week and frankly regardless of what you're stood watching, booing is pathetic. Shout whatever you want at players or the manager, I don't give a feck, make as much noise as you like, make your opinion heard etc. The actual act of standing there going "boooooooooooo" is fecking pathetic and the sort of shite I'd expect from a 3 year old.
The booing happens in a lot of sports. Football is not the only one and having been to watch other sports, I am surprised to hear that it's considered so bad by many. I mean there's actual abuse which players are subjected to but somehow booing is worse for you! Good for you in that case.
 

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Just read the Ornstein article in The Athletic.

Basically he's safe until UCL qualification for next season is mathematically impossible.

Which, although I think he should be sacked now, is fair enough I suppose as that was the criteria for sacking Moyes and Van Gaal.

If he completely loses the dressing room like Mourinho, then ofcourse the situation will change.
Always find it strange that they’re happy to write off seasons. We’re in the first week of November and already having that stance. It’s not a good look for a club that has invested the amount it has.

Under the right caretaker/manager we have more than enough quality to be pushing ourselves back into the top 4 and mounting a serious challenge in the CL & FA Cup.
 

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You know feck all about me to throw the "top red" shite about. I go to watch football a massively varying levels every week and frankly regardless of what you're stood watching, booing is pathetic. Shout whatever you want at players or the manager, I don't give a feck, make as much noise as you like, make your opinion heard etc. The actual act of standing there going "boooooooooooo" is fecking pathetic and the sort of shite I'd expect from a 3 year old.
Yes, we might do that as well but scattered and uncoordinated voices get lost in the crowd, is that difficult to comprehend for you? Loud and clear booing transcends much better across TV to worldwide audience and sponsors as well.
 

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Have an interim lined up that will make himself available at the drop of a hat. Like Chelsea had with Hiddink. As I’ve said elsewhere, I thought Ole had done more than enough to be given another season, but there were enough warning signs at the end of the last one to suggest things might not go as hoped.

Or just be capable of making decisions quickly, and doing so in a way that makes them relatively easy to reverse if you happen to get them wrong in the first place.
But you realize that it's uncommon? The relationshio that Hiddink or Heynckes have with Chelsea and Bayern executives are abnormal. I totally get people frustration but we shouldn't disengage our logic, clubs rarely have contingency plans for October sackings, there is no surplus of quality managers that are conveniently waiting for your call.

Now I think that Ole should have been let go this summer, to me it seemed that he was at the end of his journey at United but the moment you extend him, you are in a different scenario and there is next to no way to deal with him quickly. People need to show some common sense when they make suggestions about how things should be handled, there is a massive difference between what any of us think as fans and how we would act as executives, no executive will quickly take a decision that is going to cost the club a dozen of millions.
 

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booing is quite the norm in toxic situations across any level of sport. Weird you associate that with a 3 year old
Exactly, it's not like other sports don't have this. And that is much better than personally abusing or targeting individual players/coaches. With booing you are at least letting the whole team know it's not good enough. Quite surprised that people get their knickers in a twist at the very thought of booing and jump on that high horse.
 

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Thought he just had 3 games to save his job? Is he now on the next block of games?
I have no idea. Just my gut feeling.

Felt before those 3 games that they’d only sack him if he lost twice. Effectively I think the last minute Ronaldo equaliser saved him.

Think the same again. 2 losses in those 3 games would make it untenable. I think he’ll do the same, win one, draw one and lose one and he’ll limp on with the bare minimum
 

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Just read the Ornstein article in The Athletic.

Basically he's safe until UCL qualification for next season is mathematically impossible.

Which, although I think he should be sacked now, is fair enough I suppose as that was the criteria for sacking Moyes and Van Gaal.

If he completely loses the dressing room like Mourinho, then ofcourse the situation will change.
Then watch us free fall to 9, 11 pts off top 4 before it's even considered. The season can still be saved now but it's a guarantee that we will achieve nothing without making that change. Where is the improvement, progression? Can't believe I'm saying this but I hope there's a dressing room revolt.
 

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But you realize that it's uncommon? The relationshio that Hiddink or Heynckes have with Chelsea and Bayern executives are abnormal. I totally get people frustration but we shouldn't disengage our logic, clubs rarely have contingency plans for October sackings, there is no surplus of quality managers that are conveniently waiting for your call.

Now I think that Ole should have been let go this summer, to me it seemed that he was at the end of his journey at United but the moment you extend him, you are in a different scenario and there is next to no way to deal with him quickly. People need to show some common sense when they make suggestions about how things should be handled, there is a massive difference between what any of us think as fans and how we would act as executives, no executive will quickly take a decision that is going to cost the club a dozen of millions.
I dont think the sacking of Ole is a quick decision. He has survived consideration for many weeks now.

For me common sense dictates we are not very likely to finish in the top 4 with Conte managing spurs and us with Ole. And the ramifications of that far outweigh anything else.
 

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He has to be fired even if there aren't any good ones available. If we let him continue, our results will start to improve and then there would be no call for him to be fired and we'd be wasting another year before long.
 

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Thought he just had 3 games to save his job? Is he now on the next block of games?
When someone on here said 'which result of the 3 will they base their decision on?' - I was sure it was always going to be the best result of the 3 games.

It was basically, don't lose all 3 and he stays on as manager, or 3 games to get one win.
 

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I don't get this "no indication from the club" line everyone is coming out with in the same sentence as "having no intention of sacking Solskjær". Is this the same as the club giving no comment on the managers situation and if so, why don't they just say the club are not commenting on the matter?
 

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I have no idea. Just my gut feeling.

Felt before those 3 games that they’d only sack him if he lost twice. Effectively I think the last minute Ronaldo equaliser saved him.

Think the same again. 2 losses in those 3 games would make it untenable. I think he’ll do the same, win one, draw one and lose one and he’ll limp on with the bare minimum
This is the problem when they say 3 games to save the job. I mean what have we seen in the last 3 compared to all season? nothing.

They probably looked at the scoreline, oooo only lost 2-0 must have been a close game and "margins", he is doing ok.

I am convinced no one at the club understands football. If they did no one sane would actually think ole is taking this club anywhere.
 

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Just read the Ornstein article in The Athletic.

Basically he's safe until UCL qualification for next season is mathematically impossible.

Which, although I think he should be sacked now, is fair enough I suppose as that was the criteria for sacking Moyes and Van Gaal.

If he completely loses the dressing room like Mourinho, then ofcourse the situation will change.
Don't think he will lose the players like Mourinho. It will be a long and painful season. We might still edge 4th, then we will go through the same for 2 more seasons. Basically any player who has any ambitions will start avoiding us like the plague unless we pay them exorbitant amounts. The whole cycle will repeat endlessly.

However I still hope that the Ornstein article is more of an opinion piece and a brief would be more pointed and widespread. We will get to know about it soon.
 

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Agree with all you say. The irony on the Sancho bit is if you look at the stats he is actually the hardest working winger we have!

For me Ole doesn't pick him as he isn't a 'moments' players. He is a creator and requires those around him to also be intricate. Ole like a players who misplaces 90% of passes but the pops up with a worldie out of nowhere.
Ole has a very simplistic look in the game. Anyone saw that Molde video? He believes that passing is a waste of time and players should rather shoot than engage in any active teamplay. So if people are wondering why Fernandes does these dumb shots from 40 yards, well, there's your answer. We have a manager that believes that football is just a game of where the ball has to pass the other goalie and that's it. No middle part, no idea how to get there or how to do it, just shoot and inshallah.
 

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There we go, a direct source from the club. But did the club say or tweet the same before Jose was sacked a day after? Anyone genuinely remembers?
If that was a direct quote, I am sure it will soon be there in all major outlets. Really doubt Sky will have a scoop before the other big players.
 

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They're just regurgitating Ornstein's piece. I don't believe the club have 'said' anything.
Ornstein has a stiffy every time there is something to criticize Ole for, I doubt he'd make that up.

Of course they would promptly drive Ole to the airport if Sir Alex put on a kilt and took training
 

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booing is quite the norm in toxic situations across any level of sport. Weird you associate that with a 3 year old
The booing happens in a lot of sports. Football is not the only one and having been to watch other sports, I am surprised to hear that it's considered so bad by many. I mean there's actual abuse which players are subjected to but somehow booing is worse for you! Good for you in that case.
Yes, we might do that as well but scattered and uncoordinated voices get lost in the crowd, is that difficult to comprehend for you? Loud and clear booing transcends much better across TV to worldwide audience and sponsors as well.
Cool. Fully aware it happens across different sports and at different clubs & frankly I don't particularly care because in my opinion it is pathetic, I don't think anyone I've stood with at any game following any club has actually booed their team before. I think people tend to just walk out if it's that bad, which again isn't something I tend to do but I understand that a lot more than booing. But if you want to stand there as a grown man or woman and go "boooooooo" like you're at a pantomime or something then all power to you.
 

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There were boos, just nowhere near enough.
Were you at the game? Was quite loud where I was but maybe it was just that particular section.

We also had a mass walkout at halftime a couple of weeks ago. I don’t feel the blame being apportioned to match going fans is fair or accurate.
 

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This is the problem when they say 3 games to save the job. I mean what have we seen in the last 3 compared to all season? nothing.

They probably looked at the scoreline, oooo only lost 2-0 must have been a close game and "margins", he is doing ok.

I am convinced no one at the club understands football. If they did no one sane would actually think ole is taking this club anywhere.
The "footballing" or "on the pitch" side of things is just one facet of many for our board. This is a commercial, money making machine.
 

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Cool. Fully aware it happens across different sports and at different clubs & frankly I don't particularly care because in my opinion it is pathetic, I don't think anyone I've stood with at any game following any club has actually booed their team before. I think people tend to just walk out if it's that bad, which again isn't something I tend to do but I understand that a lot more than booing. But if you want to stand there as a grown man or woman and go "boooooooo" like you're at a pantomime or something then all power to you.
You could absolutely clearly hear the Spurs fans booing the team when we beat them. Bet they're all just teens and toddlers or not true fans, else how could they possibly do that! I mean there is no possible way that it happens unless you are not a grown up, right?
 

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Were you at the game? Was quite loud where I was but maybe it was just that particular section.

We also had a mass walkout at halftime a couple of weeks ago. I don’t feel the blame being apportioned to match going fans is fair or accurate.
I was yes, sat in N2402.

There were boos but they were nowhere near as loud or as prominent as I was expecting.
 

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But you realize that it's uncommon? The relationshio that Hiddink or Heynckes have with Chelsea and Bayern executives are abnormal. I totally get people frustration but we shouldn't disengage our logic, clubs rarely have contingency plans for October sackings, there is no surplus of quality managers that are conveniently waiting for your call.

Now I think that Ole should have been let go this summer, to me it seemed that he was at the end of his journey at United but the moment you extend him, you are in a different scenario and there is next to no way to deal with him quickly. People need to show some common sense when they make suggestions about how things should be handled, there is a massive difference between what any of us think as fans and how we would act as executives, no executive will quickly take a decision that is going to cost the club a dozen of millions.
I think at this point the basic question is, who's the best caretaker, Ole or someone else? I don't think for a moment he'll be here next season. But there is no permanent manager available right now that I can see, and all the problems with coaching et al that we have under Ole are not going away with a caretaker. Unlike under Mourinho, I also don't see a huge sigh of relief coming when Ole goes that would lead to the same uptick in form. Whatever limitations Ole may have, the players don't hate him the way they seemed to with Jose. So I don't expect much of a new manager bounce either. It is genuinely a difficult issue for the Board, even if their ineptitude makes things worse.

That said, our results seem to be going into a tailspin and it can be really hard to come out of those without a change. Im not sure when it becomes truly untenable if it hasn't already, but clearly the club can't continue with loss after loss after loss.
 

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Ole has a very simplistic look in the game. Anyone saw that Molde video? He believes that passing is a waste of time and players should rather shoot than engage in any active teamplay. So if people are wondering why Fernandes does these dumb shots from 40 yards, well, there's your answer. We have a manager that believes that football is just a game of where the ball has to pass the other goalie and that's it. No middle part, no idea how to get there or how to do it, just shoot and inshallah.
Reminds me of the Ince gif
 

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You could absolutely clearly hear the Spurs fans booing the team when we beat them. Bet they're all just teens and toddlers or not true fans, else how could they possibly do that! I mean there is no possible way that it happens unless you are not a grown up, right?
You could hear them yes. It was pathetic. Where have I said they aren't true fans?
 
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