Phil
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Woah. I am quite surprised as many as 150 people think he needs more time.
Probably half of them are fans of other clubs?Woah. I am quite surprised as many as 150 people think he needs more time.
United supporters are saintly wet tissues when compared to the demanding matchgoing fans at Real, Bayern and Barca.It was the same with Moyes. The stretford end were, at least vocally, deluded right to the end about him.
The match going fans opinion doesn't matter either for the board. Only thing that matters is results.For the club, chanting his name is 100% showing support to him. They don't give a crap what is posted on Redcafe!
If online noise played a significant factor, Ole would have been gone a long time ago. #OleOut has trended on Twitter after pretty much every defeat over the last 3 years and forums like this are renowned for overreactions. If/when Ole gets the chop, it will be due to performances on the pitch.Don't discount the noise coming from the the online fanbase. If we lose and drop points against the likes of Pool, Spurs, and Chelsea, it will just compound already growing support to replace him. There will be a tipping point moment - perhaps after getting humiliated against Pool or Chelsea, where support to remove him will be so overwhelming that the club would be forced to act.
You would think so. I asked for any of those 11% to put together a rational argument of why they believe Ole needs more time. Needless to say no one replied.Probably half of them are fans of other clubs?
I’m one of them.more than 10% want to continue as is! Wonder who?
See my post above, hope my rationale is acceptable to you.You would think so. I asked for any of those 11% to put together a rational argument of why they believe Ole needs more time. Needless to say no one replied.
Correct, so people claiming to be part of the rationale online muppets or blindly loyal matchgoing support might as well stop with all that.The match going fans opinion doesn't matter either for the board. Only thing that matters is results.
Ah the rationale of seeing how it goes. Good argument for keeping him. Sounds like Ole's coaching and in game managementSee my post above, hope my rationale is acceptable to you.
He won't quit on United.A sacking is miles off, I actually think Ole will end up resigning before he gets sacked.
Ole is a good guy, and will not let things get toxic, so he will only let it go so far, whereas our owners don't know where the line is.
It is. Ed Woodward makes all the final decisions on transfers and he is an accountant and the de facto Chief Executive of the club. And his remit is quite transparently first and foremost to put cash in the Glazers' pocket. Anyone who thinks otherwise, or that Ole would go against his wishes in any shape or form, is quite simply not paying attention.And the transfer committee isn't dominated by accountants
Seeing how it goes due to the landscape of the managerial market as I see it, yes. In my experiences I’ve found that sometimes no decision is the best decision in certain situations.Ah the rationale of seeing how it goes. Good argument for keeping him. Sounds like Ole's coaching and in game management
Results obviously don't matter beyond not making top 4The match going fans opinion doesn't matter either for the board. Only thing that matters is results.
Unless you can provide evidence of Ed Woodward making all the final decisions on transfers, then i'm gonna assume that to be a false claim. His remit without question is to work for the Glazers like his predecessor before him. Peter Moore at Liverpool does the same thing towing the FSG line.It is. Ed Woodward makes all the final decisions on transfers and he is an accountant and the de facto Chief Executive of the club. And his remit is quite transparently first and foremost to put cash in the Glazers' pocket. Anyone who thinks otherwise, or that Ole would go against his wishes in any shape or form, is quite simply not paying attention.
Go drop some soap on yourself and come back.I feel dirty voting in this poll
Why not? They should be good stewards of the club and looking at successors.Tweet
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Protect him? Wtf.Tweet
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Genuinely so frustrating. Anyone watching the games can see he isn’t the right man. Another pointless top 4 battle. We are going absolutely nowhere with a fantastic squad at our disposal.Tweet
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I really hope that’s not the case because if we’re not sounding out potential managers at this point when we’re looking utter shite then we’re in even bigger trouble than I thought.Tweet
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If performances on the pitch played a significant factor, Ole would have been gone a long time ago.If online noise played a significant factor, Ole would have been gone a long time ago. #OleOut has trended on Twitter after pretty much every defeat over the last 3 years and forums like this are renowned for overreactions. If/when Ole gets the chop, it will be due to performances on the pitch.
Ed is literally on the record as saying he signs off the money on transfers. So if he doesn't sign them off, they don't happen. I don't see how much clearer it could be. I mean I could sign Jack Grealish for a million pounds a week to do my gardening but unless someone pays him I have a funny feeling it won't come to much.Unless you can provide evidence of Ed Woodward making all the final decisions on transfers, then i'm gonna assume that to be a false claim. His remit without question is to work for the Glazers like his predecessor before him. Peter Moore at Liverpool does the same thing towing the FSG line.
And Ole going against the ownership of the club would be pretty silly when he's been backed with significant funds to shape the squad over the last 2 to 3 years.
He won't quit on anyone so long he is getting paid millions.He won't quit on United.
You're right, swap 'performances' for 'results' and add in "over a sustained period of time".If performances on the pitch played a significant factor, Ole would have been gone a long time ago.
So you want to waste another season and this array of talent we have? For what? You want the club to be successful or the manager? Or the manager to be succesful no matter what it costs the club?I’m one of them.
I can’t claim to be a loyal Ole backer as I wanted Poch in a year ago but now that ship has sailed and Ole somewhat turned it around last season, I’d rather just hold out until the summer to see how this season actually goes. It would be a different matter if there was a manager available now who I was confident was the right fit for us given the mess over the last 8 years since Fergie.
Oh, and eye rolls right back at you!
Delete everything before the comma and replace would with should.If performances on the pitch played a significant factor, Ole would have been gone a long time ago.
I've seen posts like this in a few threads. Excuse the ignorance but what are you talking about?3 down, 7 more to go!! LET'S GOOOO!
Him signing off on deals is normal and is the job of the CEO at most clubs. But there is numerous reports that he only does that after getting the go ahead from Joel Glazer who controls every aspect of the club when it comes to the money side.Ed is literally on the record as saying he signs off the money on transfers. So if he doesn't sign them off, they don't happen. I don't see how much clearer it could be. I mean I could sign Jack Grealish for a million pounds a week to do my gardening but unless someone pays him I have a funny feeling it won't come to much.
they would have never hired himChelsea, Madrid and Bayern would have him sacked after this game
No, I say you're wrong because you insinuated we wouldn't get cut up with a proper defensive midfielder. And as mentioned earlier, you can throw Kante in our side and we'd still get carved open.You say I’m wrong but then end up agreeing about midfield with me. We didn’t have a good structure today with Pogba and Matic and I said before we were too attacking and in hindsight playing a not fully fit Maguire was a mistake.
We do have structure most of the time but given the above factors, injuries and ineligible players today I can see why we had these problems and I know from post match comments Ole can too.
Chelsea did the same with Lampard but were smart enough to pull the trigger when they did. Bayern the same, albeit to a lesser extent with Kovac. We are several years behind them in the boardroom and a few more on the football pitch.they would have never hired him
Relax pal, not sure how you've inferred anything you said in this post from what I said. Pretty simple to understand my position - I don't see an obvious available better alternative that I personally think is worth the potential mess of sacking mid-season. As mentioned, I wanted Poch in this time last year as I thought he was a great fit for us and the timing was good but that was then and this is now.So you want to waste another season and this array of talent we have? For what? You want the club to be successful or the manager? Or the manager to be succesful no matter what it costs the club?
I would not mind having five new managers in the next decade if it means we win trophies that keep us relevant rather than become a footnote like Milan. We need to be ruthless. Not indulge in pointless nostalgia. Success breeds success and the same goes with mediocrity which is what has happened at our club.