Our new approach to signings - for or against?

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    Shaidabdullah Hussain New Member

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    James
    AWB
    Fernandes
    longstaff
    Maguire
    Ben Yedder (If lukaku goes)

    That is probably a realistic , if optimistic outlook of our summer.

    How would that make you all feel?
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    StrettyEnder07 Full Member

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    I would personally be pretty happy with that, on paper AWB, Maguire, Lindelof, Shaw with DDG behind looks pretty solid.

    Interesting to see how he would fit Fernandes and Pogba in the same side, maybe play a diamond formation, 433 may be a little open but it could work. Longstaff/McTominay fighting for DMC position, there would be more creativity centre of the park and you would hope Gomes/Chong/Greenwood will be given further chances this year.

    Only thing missing really is a RW but I think Ole will be pretty happy this year to make do with what we have on the right and assuming we make top 4, go all our for Sancho next summer as our main signing.

    Overall I would take that summer.
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    Devils11 New Member

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    Oh I should have explain properly. I mean if we sack Ole and bring in A-Class manager like Guardiola who can win stuff. Surely he will ask for how much transfer kitty before he sign. Of course if we appointed another 'midtable' manager like Eddie Howe or Macro Silva, they won't have such high requirements.

    And winning titles by out spending your opponents is not meaningless... that sound like sour grapes. If you are old enough, you should know we used to spend more than our rivals during our Fergie years, consistently breaking record fees and paying record wages for top talents.
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    Tomuś Nani is crap, I tell you!

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    If we sign that Fernandes lad, whom I know nothing about but seems to have great numbers, I'd go with McTominay behind him and Pogba. Changed my mind about Scott last season and I do think he deserves a pop at DM. It's not that we're spoiled for choice anyway and he's looked solid in most of our big games he's played in. Could also potentially free up Pogba and Fernandes to do their thing.
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    Real Madras Full Member

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    How can anyone be against it? We are basically doing the complete opposite to what got us in this mess in the first place. Buying young, hungry, British players is not really a negative. I am tired of watching players not play for the shirt. Rest assured, the players we are trying to sign actually want to play for us. I'd much rather prefer that then sign players like Falcao, Perisic, Munier etc. We are doing the right thing I believe.
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    George The Best Full Member

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    That would be a good start, IF we keep Pogba AND he’s motivated enough to perform.
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    Rusholme Ruffian Full Member

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    Well, apart from Maguire, who - apparently - would rather sign for City.
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    SadlerMUFC Full Member

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    That's not really true. Or at least it isn't black or white. There's a bit of grey area in there. For one, English teams don't have to sell. It's not like before when if United came calling the other team would sell to make a quick buck. Now teams are more financially secure, but there are deals to be had. Secondly, it's not like we are getting foreign talent on the cheap. We paid nearly 50m for Fred. It's been quoted at well over 100m if we are going to land Koulibaly. Meanwhile the last British player we signed is Daniel James for only 15. The last English player we signed was Shaw for 27m and he was EPL proven and the best LB in the country at the time. Compare that to the 29m we paid in the same season for Herrara or 60m for Di Maria. So it's not that English players cost more. That's a myth. It comes down to the situation of the buying and selling club, as well as the player himself. What is his contract situation? Is he pushing for a move? Does the team want to sell? That last point is the big one. If the team doesn't want to sell and they have the player in a long term contract, then things get tricky. Just look at Maguire. We could have had him a couple of years ago for relatively cheap. Instead we wait until he has some time with Leicester and now they don't want, and don't need to sell him. Doesn't matter that he's English. He's a quality player and they would want to keep him regardless. Mind you, one thing about signing British players is that in a couple of years time, they won't have their heads turned by Barca, Madrid or any of the other big foreign clubs. A British player will see United as the pinnacle of their career and likely won't be pushing for a transfer anytime soon...
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    reddevilz007 Full Member

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    What new approach? It’s still very slow and Woodward is still there.
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    I like the idea that we're looking at younger, hungrier players who aren't just here for a payday... However I'm slightly concerned that out of an entire planet of young players we seem to be casting our net very close to home.

    I'd like to see a bit more variance... For example you'd like to believe we have a number of scouts who've been looking at the players we've seen recently at the U21's. I'd struggle to believe not one of them would be as exciting as Longstaff who at nearly 22 has barely featured outside of league 1 (not a dig and he may turn out to be fantastic).

    When you think of the best midfielders, centre backs, wingers & full backs in maybe 6 years time, the chance that they are all within a 3 hour drive of Old Trafford is incredibly slim. Far more likely is that they're spread particularly across France, Germany, Spain, Portugal and South America (amongst others).
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    fps Full Member

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    The approach of signing younger players who are hungry to win and will actually run around? Support, big-time, need a CB and centre mid and it's been a good summer.
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    fps Full Member

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    This all makes an enormous amount of sense, especially the last section. Players who see Man Utd as a stepping stone are going to kill the club.
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    Real Madras Full Member

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    Key word in your response. ‘Apparently’ guess we’re about to find out.
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    Bastian Full Member

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    I know it's not an either or issue, as such. But it's pretty close. Shaw at the time of purchase was expensive, since then the market has gone more insane. Di Maria was a household name coming off a storming season. No comparison.

    If we're shopping at home, we are paying much more than if we were to shop abroad. Koulibaly would cost a world class fee because he's world class, but every other defender would probably be a lot less than the 90m quoted for Maguire. In the UK you pay a world class fee for a player who's not world class. That's not the same elsewhere.
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    kirk buttercup Full Member

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    If we end up with James , AWB and Bruno plus Maguire would you be happy ? I would it's an improvement in alot of areas but the question really Is can we hold our top quality players and are they interested enough to push on with the new signings
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    SadlerMUFC Full Member

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    Or perhaps we tend to overrate players from other leagues/clubs higher than we do our own. What has Koulibaly done to justify his fee that Maguire hasn't???
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    Saf94 Full Member

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    We fit Bruno and Pogba the same way that City fit De Bruyne and Silva. By playing a high line, compacting the space in midfield and dominating the ball. That’s surely the way we want to go as that’s the only way you play both of them in a midfield. People talk about the diamond all the time but like 1% of teams use the diamond like 1% of the time, realistically no one plays it
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    Bastian Full Member

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    He’s played at a higher level, under better managers, instrumental in his team and where he plays there is actual pressure to perform. To me he looks a pretty complete centre back. An absolute monster.
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    SadlerMUFC Full Member

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    And Maguire hasn't looked like a complete centre back and absolute monster? Let me guess, because he plays for Leicester we have to under rate him. Makes me wonder how you felt about VVD when he was at Southampton. And it's not like Napoli has done anything of importance. They got knocked out of Champions League in the group stage (tough group though) and got eliminated by Arsenal in Europa. If anything, I would put the nod towards Maguire if comparing the two seeing as he's been a top player in the league despite playing on a team that isn't as good as Kounibaly's team. However, all you have to do is look at the England set up and see just how good he really is when surrounded by other talented players as Maguire has made himself the first name on Southgate's team sheet...
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    Rusholme Ruffian Full Member

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    Only if City bid as high as us. If they don't we'll never know. But every report I've seen so far suggests he prefers City...and why wouldn't he?
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    Bastian Full Member

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    I rated van Dijk from the moment he went to Southampton (always had him in my fantasy teams). With Maguire I see some outstanding attributes (heading, strength) and then the odd mistake, the needless risks, the not-great pace.

    Koulibaly is worse in the air but better in every other sense IMV. And yes, it makes a difference being coached by different high pedigree managers in a very tactical league.

    I’d like Maguire, I’d love Koulibaly.
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    We’ve lost Fellaini and Herrera in midfield, two players who could at least bring some composure to the side. Is Longstaff going to be the replacement? In the meantime we see Tottenham has brought in Ndombele, City brought in Rodri, and Rabiot went to Juve on a free. So is the plan to buy English or bust? We need to get ready for a terrible season.
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    For.

    We need more players from UK imo, think a club like United should have that like we always used to have.
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    Exhibit A: Young, Jones, Lingard, Smalling, McT, and Shaw. The problem is we need Top players, not just players from UK. Limiting ourselves to signing UK players is like going into a fight with one hand tied behind your back.
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    I agree that we need to buy young British players, but we need to buy the right players. We can't just be signing players if they are just good and British.
    We need quality players not just players to help our home grown stats.
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    StrettyEnder07 Full Member

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    He had quite a bit of success with it last year away at a few of the big sides, splitting the front two, at the moment if he tries to play the same way City do, not sure we have the players. Shaw tucking into midfield, don't think he has the capabilities, do we have a DMC in the mold of Fernandinho, I don't think we do, plus would Pogba be as disciplined to team instructions as Silva/De Bruyne are, again I don't think he would, plus with Smalling/Jones/Bailly we don't have the CB's to provide enough defensive structure.

    Although, I don't think it will be a problem as I don't see Pogba being here come the start of the season.

    Also, just because not many sides play it does not mean that Ole won't, don't forget Leicester won the league playing a system that has not been touched since the early 2000's.
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    Saf94 Full Member

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    I 100% agree that we don’t have the players to play the City way especially centre backs and dm. If you sign 2 AMs and want to play them both then that’s the only balanced way to do it. People love to talk about these crazy formations but hardly any team deviates from the standard 433 or 4231, sometimes 3 at the back but never anything crazier than that.

    Yes there’s exceptions just like there are in everything but that’s what they are, exceptions. If you go by logic and history it’s almost certain we’ll play 433. Even the diamond we played last season unde ole was really a 433 once the strikers went wide, but that was a very specialist formation and we won’t play like that.

    My money is on us signing Longstaff or Lemina and going 433 with more creativity upfront and more defensive work on the midfielders. Pogba will play as a 10 I think
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    StrettyEnder07 Full Member

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    Yeah mate agree with you on that, this day and age a lot of teams end up playing 2 or 3 formations in a game so you need to be flexible, we will no doubt go with 433, which means Mata or Lingard on the right AGAIN haha my god.

    Hopefully James can play there but from the looks of his stats, he has always been a left winger, hopefully Woody pulls a RW out of his arse haha
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    Saf94 Full Member

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    The only thing I can think of is promoting Greenwood and trying to get him to first team level so he can play there. He certainly added a lot when he played against Cardiff but he’s still very raw.

    I think Mata could do well on the rw if we played a more possession focused style. He was genuinely very good under LvG there but struggled because he didn’t have the energy or physicality to play Mous style
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    The new approach appears to be.. Do very little.
    This transfer window is going precisely the same way as previous windows ...not getting the strengthening we desperately need...particularly in central midfield.
    We have been screaming for creativity for years and recruiting NOBODY. Except Pogba.