Watch out Juve fans, he’s going to do another of that silly Pogmentary once he leaves, this time focusing on you guys.
Paul Pogba - Juventus player
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
"How can you tell a player you absolutely want him and offer him nothing?" - After reportedly being offered ~ 290k pounds a week or thereabouts.
Damn, humble pie tastes good eh?
Whoever approved and offered that contract to him should be sacked.
Damn, humble pie tastes good eh?
Whoever approved and offered that contract to him should be sacked.
Free transfer. 100k per week and help canteen ladies washing dishes and we have a deal.
Needs to stay the feck away from our club. Such a waste of talent, and such a negative influence on the dressing room.
Besides, now that Souness has retired, whats the point.
I feel he'll end up in Saudi. Makes too much sense.
Besides, now that Souness has retired, whats the point.
I feel he'll end up in Saudi. Makes too much sense.
One of the most overrated players ever.
Is this really been the case like ever or just another made up scenario by people who just don't Like Pogba .
i hear all the negative comments, i remember all the below par performances and the feeling of being fleeced for him but i think every single one of you are forgetting the scientific “third time lucky/third time’s the charm” element of a return and we would be foolish to fly in the face of modern, scientific thinking.
He is probably going to Saudi.
Aside from his inconsistency, regular injuries and uncontrollable agent speaking at the wrong time, his dance buddies have all left. Our squad is a mature one now
Been offered 128m for 3 years in the desert apparently.
I'm not falling into anything, I enjoyed watching him thoroughly when he was on it, which was never nearly enough.
Right but I'm unsure how you think he was underappreciated.
There are dozens and dozens of players who look like world beaters when they're on it. The infactuation with Pogba was just another level though.
I don't think he was a negative influence at all, people just don't like the constant dancing about like a wanker, the haircuts, the tiktoks, etc, all of which took his focus away from his performances, and gave fans a stick to beat him with.
He just doesn't have the required focus to concentrate 100% on football, and it shows.
His brother has done juju on him.
Chief Clown on the way to clown league
Didn’t Pogba win four league titles with Juventus in a row? You can’t say he’s done nothing in club football. Pogba’s a great player in an already great team, but he is never the type of player to drag a team above its level.
Well I doubt his uncontrollable agent will be speaking anymore...
So much talent but about as brainless and work shy on the pitch as I've ever seen. Worst signing in the clubs history.
Was he with the chair chucker?
Be mad if he doesn’t take it
I mean you've not been his biggest fan for years, so I get your stance. But you'd think he was always dog shit, not only for us but just in general, which just isn't really the case. I don't even want to come off as a massive defender, but this place really does swing into the extremes on either end. You can't be in between, you have to be for or against something on here and it's silly really.
He barely managed 3 months of full consistency in his entire time at United (Ole's caretaker stint November to Jan). I think that says everything.
It was much easier to mask at Juventus, he was there at a time where Serie A was the least competitive maybe ever? Juve walked the league by almost 20 pts while he was there. I recall serie a followers also claiming he wasn't fully consistent in the course of a season there and had some tenancies to go missing in big games then too (for example the CL final).
His national form was also over stated. He was booed by his own fans going into the WC in which they went on to win (they are French to be fair so pinch of salt).
He had a solid 5 games in the World Cup and everyone had a huge praising fest for him, extrapolating that to his competence in club form. It was a huge fallacy because he's always capable of purple patches but was never really consistent in the top leagues.
For me it was all confirmed when his staunchest defenders ran out of excuses. First blamed Mourinho for shackling, then blamed Ole for not knowing how to use him, then blamed the players for not enabling him.
Then Bruno rocks in and shows how a true world class talent elevates a squad. After that he ran out of cards. The injured trips to dubai and miami also did it in for me. He'd post videos shooting hoops when he was meant to be injured if I recall correctly. All this is plausible if he carried consistent good form but he never did.
Mate write an essay all you want, won't make me change my mind that I enjoyed watching that particular footballer kick the ball around well when he was on it 
fair enough we're all entitled to our opinions.
I'm not going that deeply into it. Very simply, I found him thoroughly entertaining to watch, when he could be bothered.
fair enough we're all entitled to our opinions.I'm not going that deeply into it. Very simply, I found him thoroughly entertaining to watch, when he could be bothered.
At some point you just gotta say hes not that bright, and its reflected in his football, very skilled, lots of talent, half the time terrible at using it, looked clueless.
I do think people are unfairly harsh on his first four years here. He got so much abuse for inconsistency and poor performances, when in reality he was probably the most consistent player we had over those four years. Still inconsistent as all hell of course, but him being 50/50 good/bad is better than basically everyone else who were about 30/70. Him getting so much more criticism than his teammates despite actually outperforming them never sat well with me. Others had individual seasons where they were better than him, but when looking at the entire time Pogba was better.
The most obvious case was Mourinho's last season. In the first month we only had two players who played well - Pogba and Shaw. Then we had a month where every player in the team was terrible. Then in the third month we once again had two good players - Pogba and Martial. Then once again the entire team was terrible for a while before Mourinho got sacked. So basically Pogba was good 50% of the time, Shaw and Martial 25% of the time, and every other player in the team had been terrible the entire time. Yet Pogba was made the face of 'getting Mourinho fired' and the media and fan hyperbole about it really was disgraceful. In reality Lukaku and Matic were by far the worst players during that period, the former probably the worst in the entire league and Matic not that much better yet they (especially Matic who somehow came out of it smelling of roses) never got even close to the level of abuse.
Pogba deserved plenty of criticism during those four years (50/50 obviously isn't good enough), but there's not a doubt in my mind it did go overboard.
Obviously it all fell apart in his last two seasons here as injuries destroyed him and even when he was fit he tended to be poor more often than not.
Imo the main reason is he's simply a showboating attacker disguised as a midfielder. Guy lacks basically all the discipline, work ethic and consistency to be a top midfielder. Then he relies too much on his physical to beat the press which might works well in a less physical and slower league like the Serie A but obviously not very well in the PL. He might give you the occasional brilliance but not the consistency, which is probably the most important thing for a midfielder imo.
Thing is, the defenders of Pogba hailed him as a generational talent who is incredible to watch when on song. But the same folk don't want to hold him to generational standards.
He also didn't help himself, and was criticised heavily when then his spokesperson in Raiola caused uncertainty and when he over indulged in social media branding when his form was shite. He failed to read the room chronically, and he still is at Juventus it seems. He also doesn't take any accountability for his own lack or consistency. When leaving he appeared to blame United fans for not giving him enough love.
Sorry, I know this post is old but I wasn't registered when it was made and only just saw this.
Have you actually spent any time on the internet? 99% of it is an atrocity.
People are more likely to be assholes because of the anonymity and hiding behind a computer screen. If people were more like their internet persona's in real life it would be like the purge.
God knows where you got the idea that the internet is full of lovey dovey faux niceness. Just read a Facebook/YouTube/twitter/Instagram comment section.
Should serve as an example to all the kids how you can waste your great talent.
His impact on (any) team was always very overrated. He is the ultimate "highlights" player. Ole also did a mistake to force him into a position he was never suited to play.
His impact on (any) team was always very overrated. He is the ultimate "highlights" player. Ole also did a mistake to force him into a position he was never suited to play.
Some of that is certainly true. He definitely needed to keep Raiola on a shorter lease, and some of his social media work was poorly timed. Although once again other players have certainly done the latter without the save level of blowback about it.
I presume the bolded happened in his stupid documentary (I never watched it). But I'll be honest, if I were in his position I wouldn't be too happy about how the media and the fans targeted him so much in those four years when he really didn't deserve it. It annoyed me just as a fan watching it happen, being the one it was targeted at would have definitely left me pissed. There's a difference between criticism (which he certainly deserved) and over-the-top criticism (often to the extent of it being abuse) that he did get.
Difference of opinion. If you dick around allowing your spokesperson to unsettle the squad before key CL games, and you yourself undermine the manager in your own interviews, and you dick about on social media when you're clearly in poor form, all while being a top earner at the club, then you get the brunt of it. It's that simple.
Not bad for 5 months actual football so.
All the talent in the world but none of the application. We can count on one hand the amount of decent games he had for us. Even then they weren’t for a whole 90 minutes. He’d invariably do something good then negate it by giving it away doing his signature move…you know the one…sticking his arse out in the hope it would fend off two people pressing him in our own half, then losing the ball whilst the opposition break to our goal as he smacks the floor with both hands.
Heart of a mouse too. Rather give away a penalty than get hit in the face and I still think he got himself sent off v’s the Scousers as he simply didn’t fancy it.
I’ve heard he didn’t listen to medical staff and physios either when he was injured or carrying little muscular problems, sheer arrogance thinking he knew better and look at him now, perma-crock.
One of the worst signings we’ve made and I was buzzing when he came back.
Heart of a mouse too. Rather give away a penalty than get hit in the face and I still think he got himself sent off v’s the Scousers as he simply didn’t fancy it.
I’ve heard he didn’t listen to medical staff and physios either when he was injured or carrying little muscular problems, sheer arrogance thinking he knew better and look at him now, perma-crock.
One of the worst signings we’ve made and I was buzzing when he came back.
Such a special talent. Was easily our best player for a few years.
this made me genuinely laugh out loud. Guy in an absolute nutshell
He was
See, for me, this is the kind of over-exaggeration that made it hard to discuss Pogba on this forum over the years. He had many brilliant performances in his time here, far more than a handful. Yes, he did show inconsistencies over the years too, but so did the team around him and frankly I think it was a two-way street, neither Utd nor Pogba made enough of his talent during that spell. I don't want to defend him too much as those final seasons, with injuries, his moaning and that stupid documentary, did sour the taste, but he's always faced over-the-top criticism compared to others.
For a few minutes at best!
Made up scenario. People are incredibly bitter about Pogba.
Has all the talent and ability to match the likes of KDB, yet somehow end up worst than McFred with his poor attitude on pitch/bad influence in dressing room/obsession in social media.