And upto winning the CL last year his trophy record was consistently used as a stick to best him with.
'Pep' Guardiola sack watch
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He's bald by choice because he shaves his head.
Klopps achievements are far more impressive.
If Big Sam had de Messi, Xavi, Iniesta, Alves, de Bruyne, Silva, Aguero, Kompany, etc etc etc I’m sure he’d rack up 14 trophies
As for what he “achieved” at Bayern, they have it easier than Celtic
And he shaves his head to make it look like his choice to be bald
+Drug convictions
Fraud
If Big Sam had de Messi, Xavi, Iniesta, Alves, de Bruyne, Silva, Aguero, Kompany, etc etc etc I’m sure he’d rack up 14 trophies
As for what he “achieved” at Bayern, they have it easier than Celtic
And he shaves his head to make it look like his choice to be bald
+Drug convictions
Fraud
Very good at getting a high quality team to play a good system with gusto. A world class motivator.
But I don't believe he has the stones to build a legacy, probably not even with the money, but definitely not without that.
But I don't believe he has the stones to build a legacy, probably not even with the money, but definitely not without that.
That Barca team he took over had Messi, Xavi, Iniesta, Eto'o, Deco, Pujols, Ronaldhino and they were one year removed from winning the UCL. Yeah they had an off year before he arrived and he sold Ronnie but come on! That team was fecking stacked. It was an unbelievable collection of talent - literally some of the greatest players in the history of the sport.
Up until last year...
Im going to say he isnt a good manager, he is, but never forget he inherited a beastly Barca team built by Rijkaard.
Rijkaard was losing grip on the squad though, and he never accomplished what Pep did with it in his time in charge. Pep got rid of Deco, Eto'o, and Ronaldinho (a pretty ballsy decision at the time for three major pieces of Rijkaard's team), and built around Messi who was still far from being the Messi he became under Pep. Inherited makes it sound as if he just slot right in and had almost nothing to do with the success of the team; it's just not true.
He's a tough one to judge in some respects. Yes he's took over top clubs with top players but a considerable number of managers have done that and failed. He's also taken players to new levels such as Sterling, KdB, Pedro, Pique, Busquets etc.
His main failure is in Europe. Since his Barca days, he's been overthinking and not really setting up tactically well. It's a cup competition and anything can happen, but Bayern completely capitulated and City have struggled badly.
His main failure is in Europe. Since his Barca days, he's been overthinking and not really setting up tactically well. It's a cup competition and anything can happen, but Bayern completely capitulated and City have struggled badly.
What people don't seem to factor is managing favourites also brings its own pressures. Take the Bayern job for example, he had to go into a club that has just won it all, not only motivate players that have just won the lot to go again but also buy into his ideas which were the polar opposite from what they've been successful doing. I would say it would have been an "easier" job had he took over the year before.
Don’t see how your question is relevant to anything I’ve said. But that squad originated from La Liga and dominated Europe.
Does that mean his baldness is fake?
The state of some posts, especially the OP.
If you think that he's a checkbook manager who just slotted in that Barca side and that any other one could get any of his teams play at the level we seen them do, then you should honestly give up on football. One can (rightly) point to the lack of European trophies at Bayern, Man City's case not being closed yet, but to call him a fraud is absolutely ridiculous. One of the greatest managers of all time SAF, won the CL just twice, Wenger never won it. Poch completely transformed that Spurs side, yet never won a title with them. Are they frauds too?
The money argument doesn't hold much water, especially in United's case who more or less spent the same amount of money with the results we know.
If you think that he's a checkbook manager who just slotted in that Barca side and that any other one could get any of his teams play at the level we seen them do, then you should honestly give up on football. One can (rightly) point to the lack of European trophies at Bayern, Man City's case not being closed yet, but to call him a fraud is absolutely ridiculous. One of the greatest managers of all time SAF, won the CL just twice, Wenger never won it. Poch completely transformed that Spurs side, yet never won a title with them. Are they frauds too?
The money argument doesn't hold much water, especially in United's case who more or less spent the same amount of money with the results we know.
Happy new year.
He is bald, that is for sure.
I think he is a fantastic coach and he does not need to prove anything. He keeps producing good football and winning trophies, and I don't think he has to go out of his way to look for lesser clubs when he is coveted by most of the top clubs. You can of course debate whether he should have won more with some of the team he managed, but beyond that calling him a fraud seems too stupid and extreme.
I don't think he is the best ever or anything like that, nor do I like him as an individual, but not accepting that he is a top coach is simply being in denial.
I think he is a fantastic coach and he does not need to prove anything. He keeps producing good football and winning trophies, and I don't think he has to go out of his way to look for lesser clubs when he is coveted by most of the top clubs. You can of course debate whether he should have won more with some of the team he managed, but beyond that calling him a fraud seems too stupid and extreme.
I don't think he is the best ever or anything like that, nor do I like him as an individual, but not accepting that he is a top coach is simply being in denial.
No, he is categorically bald. But, he actually does wear a bald cap over his wig so you're partially right.
You can continue your fraud (or baldness) theorising in here. We have more Pep threads than a City forum, it's embarrassing.
I think consistently winning things will always be the definition for a top manager. The circumstances around that are more debatable though.
In my book, winning when you have consistently had far and away the best (and often most expensive) team isn’t all that great of an achievement.
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None of those managers spent even close to what the Pep Guardiola is my idol has spent.
Have you seen his latest quote? City need "significant investment" if they want him to renew his contract.
Like it or not, he's a checkbook manager. PED Fraudiola.
Everybody is entitled to their opinion but he'll probably end up as the most successful fraud in football history. If you believe his detractors that is. I do laugh when people say he inherited the best team in the world when he was appointed Barcelona boss. He would have become Manchester United manager in 2008 if he inherited the best team in the world.
Not sure if this post is serious or just trolling
No no, it actually is serious.
Coming from the same country that had a serious debate on whether Messi could do it on a cold wet and windy Tuesday night at the Britannia
You seriously don't think that Sam could win anything with those players?
Not against the likes of Mourinho and Klopp, no
He could probably win a few Bundesligas, but there's a reason why Ancelotti and Kovac were sacked.
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Cashiolas recruitment has been really poor. Its the work he's done with existing players that has stood by him but my god his defensive signings in particular have been abysmal.
Get the chequebook out!
Bald. Fraud. Exposed.
Peanuthead is going to have a meltdown...so happy, believe me. I'm so happy, happy new year.
He wont be sacked but I cant see him being City manager past this campaign.
He will take a sabbatical
Not getting sacked but I can see him taking another sabbatical maybe even as soon as after this season.
I think this is his last season at City.
His methods seem to wear out on the players during his 4th season.
His 4th season at Barcelona was also rather similar.
Not sure where he'd go though.
His methods seem to wear out on the players during his 4th season.
His 4th season at Barcelona was also rather similar.
Not sure where he'd go though.
The quality has fallen off a cliff and Pep cant seem to stem the tide.
City falling off a cliff faster than Pep's hair fell off his head.
Will take a world cup job in summer
City look like they need a bit of a refresh and Guardiola has never had to do that at any club so far.
Think there's a decent chance he'll be gone in the summer.
Think there's a decent chance he'll be gone in the summer.