I miss Moyes in the league. Hope he can get another job soon. Maybe we should take him back this summer 
and give him more time.
and give him more time.Peter Schmeichel: United regret we didn't give David Moyes more time
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This dude (below) probably would, as well. Why hire a top manager, when you can hire the Moyes?I miss Moyes in the league. Hope he can get another job soon. Maybe we should take him back this summer
I can only assume that he is a Liverpool supporter.
I just think that we underestimated how good a manager SAF was. I thought winning with a squad of champions would not be difficult with a succesfull transfer window. And since then 3 managers have failed. Saf was just a genius really.
Your reading comprehension is lacking a bit there buddy. Have a read again what I said. I was never advocating for Moyes so I'd appreciate you not quoting me out of context.
I guess there was just this notion that if he could keep midtable team somewhat upper midtable on a shoestring budet, he could keep a top team on the top on a bigger budget. I don't the board understood magnitude in difference in managing Everton and Man Utd. I don't really know. It boggles the mind.
I don't remember what other managers were available at the time. Woody apparently asked Klopp but put him off with his disneyland comments. I think Mourinho was available and I have to say, even though Mourinho was not a succes here, he would have been much more qualified to take over immediately after SAF.
That was a few years after i think.
Love your post - cruel but spot-on.
Keep them coming - another hits the nail on the head post.
When Gary goes on that give the manager more time spiel he is speaking as a unionist. He was a player's advocate but he also has some empathy for the managers in the hot seat.
And people want Poch.
He currently has spurs in third place without any investment in the summer. You can argue, he has no trophy record, but the clubs he's managed have not been the biggest or richest.
Too be honest it's hard to argue that OGS is anymore qualifed than Poch to manage a big club. OGS has done great job so far, but winning the norwegian league twice is hardly a CV for managing United yet he's doing a great job.
It's difficult to determine how Poch would do for us, but he's better than moyes.
That was true for Everton but he didn't get the best out of any United player with the exception of Fellaini after Moyes had been sacked. Getting the best out of your players may have been fine for Everton with their set of expectations but was never in any way going to do it for United.
It wouldn't have been so bad if he had been willing to learn from everyone around him at United and retained those who had been there, done it. He is responsible for shaking up a situation that could have been simply fine-tuned.
Moyes also failed at the other teams he managed which indicates he didn't get the best out of those other players either.
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I don't think there was anything fatalistic about being Sir Alex's replacement if you were David Moyes.
You weren't up to the job in terms of your record but you had all that goodwill and experience to draw on, the great man there to give you his advice, a solid backing cast, a management board behind you all the way, most fans willing to suspend expectations of a world class manager and give you time, a team of proven winners that needed some fine tuning and careful changes as well as respect.
Moyes in fact was given way too much goodwill and leeway - he stuffed it up.
Insecure people in positions of influence and power tend to do counter-productive actions. They have a certain arrogance that tells them they must do it their way and 'impose their will'. Moyes disregarded good advice and ultimately he paid for it. Instead of having the attitude that if it aint broke don't fix it, he put the players' backs up and confused them. He flapped around, telling those who had won high honours to take note of players who hadn't.
He had nothing original or substantial to offer Manchester United by himself so he did clueless things like making winners focus on their opponents instead of playing their own game. Or imposing petty rules such as no chips on Friday night. Small-minded Moyes with a big-head, thought he would make United 'his team' by such negative and facile nonsense.
If you're going to be a big-head you'd better be one like Cloughey.
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Oh Moyes, why don't you feck off
Definition of mediocrity:
It's always United's "fault" for not giving him enough time.
I mean he clearly showed his immense talent at Real Sociedad, Sunderland and West Ham.
He's gotten way more out of football in terms of career, money and limelight than he deserves in 100 years.
Definition of mediocrity:
It's always United's "fault" for not giving him enough time.
I mean he clearly showed his immense talent at Real Sociedad, Sunderland and West Ham.
He's gotten way more out of football in terms of career, money and limelight than he deserves in 100 years.
Still more than Poch has won.
Poch just doesn't fill me with confidence that he could cope with a big club like United.
Personally i believe that when a big side that is used to and expects to win League titles is looking for an up and coming manager they should always take a punt on a younger manager who has won one of the less glamorous leagues over a mid-table specialist like Moyes any day. Moyes just didn't have the experience or know how to manage a team at the top, he spent his career mid-table and when he took over us thats exactly what he did had us finish mid-table.
No Molde is a tiny club in a tiny league, and his only other job was cardiff that got relegated.
Spurs is not a superclub like United, but it's much bigger than Everton, and he's had great finishes in the league with Spurs.
I agree atm, OGS is ideal to takeover as permanent manager since he's proven that he can effortlessy step up and manage United, and lifted the morale and performances of the players. However when OGS was first appointed we all wanted Poch, because we didn't know what we were getting with OGS.
I don't know, by this logic we should always being going for whoever wins the scottish league.
Personally I prefer managers who have proven they can punch above their weight like Klopp with Dortmund. Arguably also Simone but his football style is terrible.
You never really know what you're getting with managers, but after LVG and Mounrinho I prefer the younger more inovative ones. I would have loved Pep here, but he would also need massive overhaul of the squad to get us playing his style of football.
Moyes should regret he fired phelan .
Thats not what i said at all, outside of the big 5 leagues there is more than just the SPL.
I guess I just don't agree. It's fine achievement winning the norwegian league with Molde, but in general we have no idea how someone like step up from a tiny club like Molde to one the biggest clubs in the world. The only reason OGS can do that is because he is a former player and legend and Old Trafford feels like his home. The same would not apply to any another manager. You could argue that Raineri is more qualifed to manage united than OGS and Poch because he won the league with Leicester.
Anyway for me, great managers have to show consistensy. Poch has been consistenly doing very well with Spurs spending a tiny amounts of money compared to his rivals. But yes you could say it's a slight on his CV that he hasnt won a FA cup yet, but we were also just knocked out by Wolves, who were a good team, but our Squad is much better than theirs. In cup competetions there is a lot of luck, unless you have a super squad like City who walk over nearly any team .
Please get rid of this thread. It is depressing to see his pic here.
Yes he was. It was four letters long, began with C and ended in T.
You are either misinterpreting what i am saying here or i'm not articulating my point very well. I'll give it one more go.
I believe that managers who compete and win smaller leagues are much more suited to taking over big sides in the big leagues and have them continue to win and compete. Think Ferguson, Mourinho and even Guardiola with Barca B. As opposed to mid-table managers like Moyes who did well in a top league but never experienced managing a side in a title race. This is a big part of why i feel he failed so badly at United.
I personally wouldn't argue Ranieri is suited to taking over a top side based on one title win which lets be honest was a bit of a fluke. Also Pochettino might well go onto win league titles, it's not like he's managed Spurs in mid-table he's consistently got them in the top 4 and even flirting with the title.
Moyes really shafted us by getting rid of the backroom staff who knew how to win.
We were already in a sensitive situation with losing Gill and Ferguson. Getting rid of the final connection to our 2 decades of success was fecking lunacy.
We were already in a sensitive situation with losing Gill and Ferguson. Getting rid of the final connection to our 2 decades of success was fecking lunacy.
This.
Moyes whinges about being sacked - but he was sacked for being a failure.
The guys who Moyes sacked were proven winners, and he replaced them with serial losers and novices.
Can we make him Shut up and go away please? He keeps talking about United but he has failed in Sunderland, and some club in Spain too. He is a mid table manager and to be honest not even as good as Fat Sam who can at least say he has never been relegated and saved many a club from relegation. At least Moyes cannot even say that.
Excuse me? Who is 'we'? And can you tell me what you were doing at the end of Sir Alex's reign and during the brief but destructive horror of David Moyes' management? Because you certainly weren't following Manchester United in any way.
LVG and Jose by contrast to Moyes seem the best United managers ever compared to him. And at least they both won silverware including under Jose a trophy United had never won before.
Moyes was as close to performing the necessary correctives to a United that needed some careful and intelligent changes that would maintain the club's stability and win silverware, as he was to being the first man on Mars. Rio and others may have been ageing but they were still superior to the dross that Moyes was urging them to study. Apparently non title winning, non decorated players had something that the title winning United team lacked.
It was not only Moyes' appalling ability to dismantle the solid staff base and mess the title winning team around that got him the boot. He was pig-headed and didn't want to admit that he needed the expertise of others who knew better and had the track record to prove it.
Putting your stamp on a team only works if you actually have something real to offer in the way of fresh ideas that don't disrupt and can work successfully in a new environment. Plus evidence of silverware.
And not only those essentials - you need to have the security to know that you should listen and learn from those who have produced success at your new club whether it is coaching staff, medal winning players or the old faithfuls who have served the club well. The only stamp that Moyes put on United was like that of a hooligan in its effects.
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Yes - hello Livvie! - and I realize that Sir Alex had a fair bit to do with that. The board ran with it because David Moyes was a decent person with apparently no skeletons in the closet, stable, not known for controversies, not given to the extravagances of Jose, had done well on a relatively limited budget and was placed in the Ferguson category in terms of what Sir Alex brought to United when he was hired.
However, he took Aberdeen to honours, something Moyes hadn't done with Everton. I am not being wise in hindsight - I never wanted Moyes because he didn't have any kind of record that showed he could manage a powerhouse like Manchester United in the Sir Alex era. Nor be the manager and have the kind of personality to follow Sir Alex. I didn't want Jose either but in hindsight he would have been better at the time. However, United didn't want a prima donna to follow Sir Alex but somebody low-key.