We pay higher wages as Manchester is hardly a must live destination!To emphasize on this point, Matteo Darmian reportedly makes 60,000 pounds a week.
That just explains what's wrong with this club.
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We pay higher wages as Manchester is hardly a must live destination!To emphasize on this point, Matteo Darmian reportedly makes 60,000 pounds a week.
That just explains what's wrong with this club.
No the fact is Paul had his little hissy fit and Jose decided to replace him with Scott for a few games to see if he could get back to being the worlds bestest player ever.So you are comparing two players that had vastly different roles but even then they have comparable amounts of tackle per games, McTominay had more interceptions but he always play with the game in front of him since he is deployed very deep, on the other end Pogba has more attacking duties that he executes at a fairly high level. The issue here is that you are comparing apple with oranges and try to draw conclusions on kiwis.
Also Pogba missed one game for other reasons than injuries and came in as a sub twice one of which was Carrick's last game as a player.
Pogba hasn't been replaced with Scott for a few games and it has nothing to do with your initial claim about Pogba not wanting defensive duties. The one bust up that we witnessed was against Spurs, you don't know what Mourinho said to Pogba and you don't know what Pogba responded, now based on Mourinho's comments we can assume that he thought Pogba or someone else made a mistake in covering the inside channel but if you are honest you will understand that it's simply a manager pointing to an isolated mistake not a player and a manager disagreeing about a role or a system in general.No the fact is Paul had his little hissy fit and Jose decided to replace him with Scott for a few games to see if he could get back to being the worlds bestest player ever.
The money man CEO needs to realise that another few years away from the top table will seriously hit our commercial side.Sponsors like to be linked with winners not also rans1) Our CEO is a money man and as long as Pogba (and similar) are bringing in the marketing money, he's okay with the status quo.
2) Players make huge amounts of money, especially at a club like Man Utd. So it is extremely difficult to move on discontent players since they won't get the money offered here elsewhere. Hence, it's extremely hard to sack/sell them.
I think I read somewhere that Lingard makes more money than Asencio (someone correct me on this). We seem to be extremely bad at negotiating with agents regarding player salaries.
3) Sacking a manager is financially cheaper than sacking players. Although this gives rise to player power and significantly diminshes any coming manager's power, unfortunately a money man CEO will always make this decision.
There is your answer he should of let it go and now this season it has taken a turn for the worse. Pogba needs to start playing for the team under Jose whether he likes it or not and not keep having these sulky moments. He is not the manager Jose is and he does need to start to learn that.Pogba hasn't been replaced with Scott for a few games and it has nothing to do with your initial claim about Pogba not wanting defensive duties. The one bust up that we witnessed was against Spurs, you don't know what Mourinho said to Pogba and you don't know what Pogba responded, now based on Mourinho's comments we can assume that he thought Pogba or someone else made a mistake in covering the inside channel but if you are honest you will understand that it's simply a manager pointing to an isolated mistake not a player and a manager disagreeing about a role or a system in general.
And for what it's worth I do think that Pogba should have let it go and shouldn't have argued with Mourinho on the side line which most likely led to his benching the next game.
So true Hollyoway madman hehe.
Can you?What's happening now at United has been happening at other clubs for years. That's the reality. We just need to adapt and stop living in the past.
Didn't he demand playtime in his new contract or something?Erm what? As far as I know he just left. Refused to sign the contract we had put out on the table, and signed one with Juventus instead.
The super extremely huge majority dont'support their local team. I think for clubs like Real, United, Barcelona etc the local fans make up about 0.01% of the fanbase.actually many support because its their local club, irrespective of the quality of the players. some fans actually support the team
It should not always be about the money but regrettably nowadays it is.We pay higher wages as Manchester is hardly a must live destination!
That's not my answer, you made a narrative up and you are using it to pretend that Pogba hasn't played for the team when he clearly did which is why he was a starter for almost every games after that and he was by far our best player too. Pogba has character and while he should sometimes put it aside, that's not a bad thing and should never be interpreted as anything else than character, some fans are way too dramatic, they want to make a meal out of every little things that happens.There is your answer he should of let it go and now this season it has taken a turn for the worse. Pogba needs to start playing for the team under Jose whether he likes it or not and not keep having these sulky moments. He is not the manager Jose is and he does need to start to learn that.
Maybe there's a case for stopping transfer windows.This isn't just about finances and money man. Replacing 1 employee is easier than replacing 15. Especially when said employee can be replaced at any time, while the other can only be replaced within restricted windows, and generally doesn't involve negotiating with third parties. And then there's the inherent value of team vs manager. Finally, there is cost
I can see that your hatred for Jose has overwhelmed your ability to debate this point, fairly.If that's how you go about constructing your argument then I can't take it seriously. I don't even agree with your premise that you just submit to whoever is above you in the hierarchy of power. You got huge abuses of power in every walk of life (government, the church, school etc...) In the context of a football club and this specific situation...Jose Mourinho has wracked up a litany of fireable offenses outside of on-the-field performance. Talking down the 'heritage' of the club, continually going public about his 'lists' and taking digs at the scouting department (that is airing the dirty laundry).
Attitude reflects leadership. While Woodward is a horrendous CEO, Mourinho's MUN tenure has been a classic example of self-preservation. If JM is captaining the ship, who the hell wants to follow someone who gives no second thought to manufacturing public spats with players, using them as pawns in his narcissistic quest for 'Respect'. Nah, the man is toxic. You can make a chain of command argument when the motives are pure and the leader is selfless. But that's not the case here.
Firstly I think you are comparing Apples and Oranges here. In my job if I am unhappy with my boss I can just grin and bare it as you say but at the same time I can look for other employment and once found give one month's notice and I am gone. Football players do not have these luxuries, they are bound by contract for the years they signed for and if the club doesn't want to sell them, then they will have to sit out their time with the club they signed at.Player Power - How does it even come to this.
If your not happy with your boss you need to just grin and bare it until you find alternative employment, its life. But here we have players downing down tools because of dislike for there boss, surely there has to be some form of punishment that can be handed out to those players that are causing issues. This Pogba / Jose feud should never of been made public and if the player makes it public he is the one to get punished. How are these players determining what goes on in the clubs they represent.
If the manager cant control the situation then others higher up like Woodward need to step in. The club is paying these lot a great deal of money to put a good shift in but the little snowflakes are acting like kids. Where is a Roy Keane when you need one.
Yeah except no player is undermining Mourinho. Mourinho is undermining himself by starting unnecessary feuds and throwing his players under the bus to save his skin. It's one thing for 1-2 players to be angry at the manager, those players should either get along with the program or get the freak out of the club. But when the entire squad has lost faith in the manager what choice is there but to blame the manager?If we want the club to be healthy we can't second guess what the guy that was hired to run the football team is doing. You can't have results if you keep undermining.
Fully agree with your quote, the only thing I would like to add in the case of Shaw, what people don't realize is that Shaw has not signed a new contract and according to him will only consider signing a new contract if he deems himself good enough for UTD. Which we all know is bullshit, normally players would be to keen to sign for UTD. End result Shaw walks at the end of this season for free.I totally agree
I would have fired mourinho the night he came out with that complete bullshit when he lost to Sevilla, who he thinks he is? Well he’s a relic for one thing. Roy Keanes quotes towards the players prime Keane this is, would make Pogba’s quotes seem like a tea party which pogba said was true. The same narcissistic Mourinho who played Park the bus football playing three of the most immobile uncreative midfielders against West Ham, moans martial is not defending enough, when he had three defensive minded midfielders.
We got a board who are spineless, gutless, to busy counting their penny’s than what needs to be done, by getting this lunatic out of our club. Jose is the symptoms of a greater problem, but he still needs to go. He’s become so toxic, the gas has got to a point where it’s a fire hazard. If chelsea listened to Jose back in December 2015, there be no hazard at Chelsea
This is Jose mourinho’s vision for united, long ball park the bus football with Valencia, smalling, Jones, Young, matic, mctommney, fellaini, a big part of that unit, he got lucky shaw started getting back to where he was, because he was picking fights with shaw
They are bound with contracts for years , well that is until that player sticks a transfer request in. It maybe not be a month's notice but its hardly going to run the length of the contract. Pogba was signed by Jose he knew Jose style and knew what he was getting into. Not saying I agree with the way Jose handles matters but certainly don't agree with this power play that certain players are doing over there manager.Firstly I think you are comparing Apples and Oranges here. In my job if I am unhappy with my boss I can just grin and bare it as you say but at the same time I can look for other employment and once found give one month's notice and I am gone. Football players do not have these luxuries, they are bound by contract for the years they signed for and if the club doesn't want to sell them, then they will have to sit out their time with the club they signed at.
The second point is that footballers are in the limelight continually, so if players aren't performing to the levels they should or can, due to the manager's style of play/tactics or personality clashes, this in itself is harming the players chances of future employment and definitely their value in the market. We all know a player has a peak period of so many years to be at the top of their game, therefore players don't have the luxury to sit around for a couple of years to then move onto a club with a manager that suites their style of play and can bring the best out in them.
Getting back to your point about punishment to be handed out, there is such a thing, they can drop the player from the team and fine him so many weeks pay. The situation with Pogba/Jose should never have gone public but what punishment would you suggest for the manager that continually makes it public instead of handling things behind closed doors, as we have so often witnessed from Jose. He is the first to criticize the club, players, referees etc in the media, never accepting any blame for his own misjudgments or failings.
I personally think that player power has gotten worse through the years but that was to be expected, seeing the value of players has rising beyond anyone's expectations and today players are not only bought for their footballing skills but also for their marketing value. The Fergie days when you just sacked a player if they got out of line are gone, maybe if the issue is concerning only one player but as soon as you have a couple of players not getting on with the manager, then it is always better and cheaper for clubs to sack the manager.
True, but what about all the players UTD already had when he signed, especially the old Fergie players and who knows what hot air they were blowing up the player's @rse to get them to sign.He is managing the team in his way, don't sign for Jose if you don't want to put your defensive duties in. That is his style it is up to Jose to change it not the players to force the issue. He is the manager and he is in charge.
If your backing Jose you must be lacking empathy to start with, your kidding right what has Jose done that is so terrible did he forget a birthday cake for Pogba birthday. Jose is no angel and says alot of stupid things but he is hardly whipping the players after hours. Lack empathy come on mate.What I've learned recently is that a lot of people on the Caf think our players are literally doing feck all on purpose. That provided we pay them a salary, they should be brilliant on the pitch no matter what.
Also the logic they're using pretty much negates the requirement for a manager in the first place. So do we need a manager or not?
These are human beings - wouldn't hurt to remember that.
Then again, if you're backing Jose Mourinho or remotely relate to him you obviously must be lacking in empathy to start with.
Those players need to adapt to the new bosses ways or stick a transfer request in.True, but what about all the players UTD already had when he signed, especially the old Fergie players and who knows what hot air they were blowing up the player's @rse to get them to sign.
Man don't bother, they're blinded by hate.If your backing Jose you must be lacking empathy to start with, your kidding right what has Jose done that is so terrible did he forget a birthday cake for Pogba birthday. Jose is no angel and says alot of stupid things but he is hardly whipping the players after hours. Lack empathy come on mate.
If your backing Jose you must be lacking empathy to start with, your kidding right what has Jose done that is so terrible did he forget a birthday cake for Pogba birthday. Jose is no angel and says alot of stupid things but he is hardly whipping the players after hours. Lack empathy come on mate.
Really couldn't care less what you think. He's a cock. Was and always will be. You're very much in the minority if you think he comes across as a caring and personable individual but feel free to think that way.Man don't bother, they're blinded by hate.
As we both know a transfer request doesn't automatically guarantee the player can now leave, the club is the one that sets the price, e.g Rojo en Darmian this past transfer window.They are bound with contracts for years , well that is until that player sticks a transfer request in. It maybe not be a month's notice but its hardly going to run the length of the contract. Pogba was signed by Jose he knew Jose style and knew what he was getting into. Not saying I agree with the way Jose handles matters but certainly don't agree with this power play that certain players are doing over there manager.
They won the f.a cup with lvg and lost out on top 4 with goal difference, it didn't look like players downed tools to me.May be it's just me but I don't think our players gave up even Under Moyes or Van Gaal may be they weren't simply good enough just like managers they were playing under but they did try their best it's only Mourinho's reign where it seems they have given up just a thought may be it's the manager not the players.
That's exactly my point our players didn't give up or downed tools under Van Gaal though I said it seems they have given up under Mourinho but I think it's more the case of Mourinho's strange tactics and putting unbalanced lineups without any proper plan causing team to look more disjointed and uninterested than usual.They won the f.a cup with lvg and lost out on top 4 with goal difference, it didn't look like players downed tools to me.
That's a terrible attitude to have in a job. Decent companies actively encourage their employees to give feedback about their boss so that a poorly performing manager does not cause the loss of valuable employees.If your not happy with your boss you need to just grin and bare it until you find alternative employment, its life.
Does not work to well in a football team though.That's a terrible attitude to have in a job. Decent companies actively encourage their employees to give feedback about their boss so that a poorly performing manager does not cause the loss of valuable employees.
I have been reading your posts on this issue and by the sound of things you still back Jose, which obviously you are entitled to. The only thing I think you are forgetting is that even those spoilt brats on huge weekly wages are human beings too, with emotions etc.He is managing the team in his way, don't sign for Jose if you don't want to put your defensive duties in. That is his style it is up to Jose to change it not the players to force the issue. He is the manager and he is in charge.
It actually works very well, managers that do a good work have the full backing of their players, no matter what style or personality they have. Those managers even manage to change and influence players beyond football.Does not work to well in a football team though.
You have to give the benefit of doubt first though. Otherwise the next young unproven manager comes in and they disrespect him again because they think his method isn't working.That's a terrible attitude to have in a job. Decent companies actively encourage their employees to give feedback about their boss so that a poorly performing manager does not cause the loss of valuable employees.
How will it work well in this situation Paul v Jose. Or how does it work well if a manager has his way of thinking and the players or certain players have theirs.It actually works very well, managers that do a good work have the full backing of their players, no matter what style or personality they have. Those managers even manage to change and influence players beyond football.