Would totally agree with you if we hadn't seen enough evidence of shirkers in this squad
Players suffering under Rangnick
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Bissaka cant attack
Shaw had one good year out of 7
Maguire doesnt seems like a 85M player
we all know how bad |Mc-Fred combo is
Aged Cavani/Ronaldo in the attack
Inconsitent bruno (even when he was producing the goods he never conrolled the games and when asists / goals dried up now we all can see what he is)
Selfish Pogba who never delivered for us
Rashford losing form
Squad players like Jesse / Mata / martial / Matic / Donny /Dalot are not really great either
Wondering what any manager can do here? what you guys do if you become a manager?
Shaw had one good year out of 7
Maguire doesnt seems like a 85M player
we all know how bad |Mc-Fred combo is
Aged Cavani/Ronaldo in the attack
Inconsitent bruno (even when he was producing the goods he never conrolled the games and when asists / goals dried up now we all can see what he is)
Selfish Pogba who never delivered for us
Rashford losing form
Squad players like Jesse / Mata / martial / Matic / Donny /Dalot are not really great either
Wondering what any manager can do here? what you guys do if you become a manager?
I thought ole left a good foundation for the next manager?
I've often wondered what it says in their contract about performance
You're not allowed to point this out.
Coincidentally does it seem odd to anyone else leaks always come out whenever Shaw is going through a bad spell or on the bench
We're in a bit of a crisis here. A manager trying mid season to implement a totally new philosophy with a squad of stupid, lazy, arrogant and technically deficient players. Below us and above us are teams much hungrier and better drilled. Unless things change massively we'll be finishing mid table at best. Dark times.
On paper yes, but their efforts on the pitch say no
I said this last night to friends in the pub it started when VG was manager so the leaks must be out of de Gea Shaw Rashford martial Jones looking at first team players from then
As I said on another thread we don't finish top 4:then RR is here another 12 months. Top managers want to manage in Ch Lge, unless they out of work like Conte was.
People one here is a bit strange. First of all when things dont work on the pitch, every bad metric goes up. Just like the good go up when the team is in flow. Its a part of the dynamics of football. So be carefull when you attribute everything to moral, lazyness, lack of ability and so on. Most of these players would start for any other team, maybe except for City and Liverpool — but they are also a lot better than thier squad players.
With that beeing said, it does not help to play an advanced high press system like 4222, when all we should be focusing on is short term results with a short term manager. Ad Ronaldo with the worst pressing stats in europe to lead the line.. and yeah we are in big troubel. And it will not look pretty.
Our net sum of goals is also down with Ronaldo on the pitch. So it does not help much for the team that we have moved our goals to him, as long as the net sum aint positive and we play a system where he does not fit.
If we are ruthless we move him on now in january and bring in a striker who can handle doing the high press. Or we can go back to something like 5-4-1, sit back and do the counter. At least Ole proved we can get very good results with this squad just doing that.
Comme summer, then the new manager can focus on play system and the right players for that system.
With that beeing said, it does not help to play an advanced high press system like 4222, when all we should be focusing on is short term results with a short term manager. Ad Ronaldo with the worst pressing stats in europe to lead the line.. and yeah we are in big troubel. And it will not look pretty.
Our net sum of goals is also down with Ronaldo on the pitch. So it does not help much for the team that we have moved our goals to him, as long as the net sum aint positive and we play a system where he does not fit.
If we are ruthless we move him on now in january and bring in a striker who can handle doing the high press. Or we can go back to something like 5-4-1, sit back and do the counter. At least Ole proved we can get very good results with this squad just doing that.
Comme summer, then the new manager can focus on play system and the right players for that system.
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Funny isn’t it? Shaw, when he’s in form, is a good player. But he’s a turd of a fella.
I’d happily work until 5 for 250k a week.
Even if you had to train and drive home in the dark?
Unreal levels of hyperbole.
The old method obviously did not work or else Ole would not have been sacked. Now it is the time to change things. He has had three PL games and won two and drew one and people are on his back?
I'm crying here.
Dealbreaker for sure.
We might even end in a relegation battle. Am I doing this right?
This is just the whole director of football conversation again. If the club believe in Ralf's methods and the way he wants to play football, then the squad need to fall in line with that, and any that protest should be shown the door no matter who it is or how many.
A bunch of soft shites.
Felix Magath planned training during the night as a revenge for bad results thats the way
It’s gemany no la la land norway
The party is over
Smiles, hugs, dubai vacation during the season too
The hippy era is finished, now it’s death metal football hahhaha
It’s gemany no la la land norway
The party is over
Smiles, hugs, dubai vacation during the season too
The hippy era is finished, now it’s death metal football hahhaha
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The poor souls have to train harder and go home in the dark. Bunch of cry babies. Do they want their mammy's to collect them.
The irony of it all. In truth, he left us where he met us.
Maybe I am missing something but to think an elite athlete does not like to train hard is one of the most stupid things I have ever heard!
Really have to read between the lines here guys??
Really have to read between the lines here guys??
Don't underestimate the Caf's desire to shit on the Caf's desire to shit on United
We can't sell them all, take your pick..
WUM
They had it good with Ole I assume but even they let him down.
They want their Mammy's to come and collect them.
Who do we reckon the moaners are?
I thought this is surely BS, then I remembered some of the absolutely crazy stuff my co-workers moaned about and conceded that the story might have some at least some truth to it.
No chance, that’s modern day slavery that.
Is RR doing double training sessions as Conte and Poch like to do? LVG was a fan of double sessions as well. Hope they are all getting a beasting. Bar needs to be raised, those who cant perform in training need to leave the club.
Forget about double training. If they are not delivering on the pitch then they should have even triple training.
Suffering is such a big word! Are they being torture or starve during training?
Rather than suffering, I prefer to see who are these players struggling to step up them game under Rangnick. You can see Dave, Telles, Dalot, Mcfred and even Sancho to an extend making an effort to step up their game. The rest not so much. If by asking them to adapt is suffering, then I prefer to see them suffer elsewhere. Because I'm suffering watching some of them play.
Rather than suffering, I prefer to see who are these players struggling to step up them game under Rangnick. You can see Dave, Telles, Dalot, Mcfred and even Sancho to an extend making an effort to step up their game. The rest not so much. If by asking them to adapt is suffering, then I prefer to see them suffer elsewhere. Because I'm suffering watching some of them play.
Fully agree. This season isnt about league position, its about preparing for next (and the foreseeable)
That starts now with getting the attitude right. As fans, we can do our little bit by being prepared to back the manager, to help give him the authority he needs to be ruthless.
Obviously top 4 and cl would be great but we've bundled to it plenty and it amounts to nothing. I want to trust him to rip the squad apart if he seems it necessary. I thought solskjaer left a strong squad but everything that's happened since Rangnick came is damning of many players ability, attitude, and capability to adapt and change.
I am sure many of us have seen the tweet of the XI last time we lost to Burnley at OT in January 2020?
For those who haven't, it was De Gea, Williams, AWB, Magure, Jones, Fred, Matic, Mata, Pereira, James, Martial. So don't despair, I do actually think we have genuinely improved the squad.
I feel all we need to do now is build a little confidence, get the players pulling in the right direction, get rid of the deadwood and build from there.
Afraid you’re right
I like the optimism and hope you're right. I've defended solskjaers rebuild for a long time, arguing that it will reflect well on him in time. Last couple of games have genuinely stunned me though . Rangnicks track record of getting players to play a certain way at least, is long enough to not doubt this aspect. Has made me feel incredibly wrong
James is the only one on that list that isn't on the club's books still in some capacity, and from the subs Shaw, Dalot, Greenwood, Baily and Lingard are still here. There is a lot of deadwood still to go!