If I could pick 10 players, I'd pick Maguire 10 times.
Players you 100% want to leave in the summer
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Man, thats a depressingly long list but cant disagree on much....its just pretty much impossible to change so many players in one window
Martial: Good technique and potential but never really improved that much, injury prone and not a winner, get rid
Maguire: good physically but just an awful footballer imo. Ball playing CB my ass.
Sancho: Feel we will give him an other season, dissapointing so far..some nice touches and goals but not a game changer
Fred: Very good or very poor nothing in between, would keep him as squad player maybe or get rid
McTominay: I would keep him as a squad player
van de Beek: Tidy player, very weak mentality, out
Williams, Elanga: I like these kids, but not good enough for United .They will have a decent career at a midtable club
Henderson: Not convinced and burned his bridges
Can't believe they are still here:
Jones (actually feel bad for him, the few times he played I thought he was good and he got way too much unfair criticism ...but he never plays and its ridiculous we are paying for him)
Telles
Bailly
Dont want to see him again in a United shirt for obvious reasons:
Greenwood
Wout: Stop gap but even as that it was a strange decision to choose him, likeable fella but nowhere near good enough, thank you but bye
I would add De Gea: Get a new number one in and Kovar as 2nd keeper.
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Just as I posted, I'd get rid of several players multiple times if I could.
More just I cant stand Fred being in the squad any more.
McTominay is on less wages and can do a passable job at CB and we cant get rid of everyone at once.
I agree with most of that list but we need to remember too that we need squad players who are not superstars but are happy to "do a job" in some of the more routine domestic games. Think of the successful United squads that had the likes of Phil Neville, John O'Shea, Darren Fletcher, Park Ji Sung etc.
So from that list, I think McT and Sabitzer might be worth keeping for those roles. I would have said Fred previously as he can have patches of good form, but he's been utter dogshit lately.
Interesting call on Sancho, might be worth a shot to see if he can get his form and confidence back but ultimately I don't think he has the mentality to make it as a player at the highest level.
Getting rid of David is not an immediate priority for me, but I'm probably an old dinosaur who doesn't fully understand the importance of playing it out from the back and who's happy if he's not chucking the ball into his own net like he was for a spell a few seasons ago. If a top quality, ball playing gk is available, sure, go for it.
Bailly is a big disappointment. He had all the physical attributes to make it as a top class CB but he's another walking sick note. No good to us.
I assume the likes of AWB, Dalot and Lindelof survive your cull as squad defenders?
Oh, and you can add Van de Beek to that list and all!
Anyone expecting a radical clearout will be disappointed. There are bigger priorities to move on than Fred, Lindelof, McT, AWB, Dalot and DeGea. They at least put a shift in when called upon, albeit within their limits and ETH might be satisfied to keep working with them to cover specific roles. Martial, Maguire plus all the other underachieving squad players like DVB, Bailly, Elanga, Williams should be transferred first. Retaining 'French House Novice Timber' might simply be a matter of necessity, for one season anyway.
I agree mostly. Fred,Lidnelöf, AWB is not a priority for me its like 3rdTier of needing to get rid off. DDG 2nd Tier. McT I'd keep. And yes, I dont think more than half of the entire list of unwanted players will be gone next comming next season. We just need to be more clever with our signings. Instead of signing players with big names or great indiviual potential we need to have a game plan and sign players that fit into specific roles in that.
Wout
Maguire
Mc Tominay
Fred
Sancho
Martial
Dalot
Malacia
Maguire
Mc Tominay
Fred
Sancho
Martial
Dalot
Malacia
So what if we can get money then cash in
The trouble if we don't sell either of McTominay/Fred then the club won't bother to bring in a backup DM which we desperately need
Maguire,
Martial
Jones
Telles
I think these are the only ones I'd never want to see again. As much as I want martial to succeed, he hasn't done it in 5+yrs now and he clearly doesn't have the fight for it
Martial
Jones
Telles
I think these are the only ones I'd never want to see again. As much as I want martial to succeed, he hasn't done it in 5+yrs now and he clearly doesn't have the fight for it
Harry Maguire
Phil Jones
Eric Bailly
Axel Tuanzebe
Donny van de Beek
Brandon Williams
Anthony Elanga
Dean Henderson
Anthony Martial
Phil Jones
Eric Bailly
Axel Tuanzebe
Donny van de Beek
Brandon Williams
Anthony Elanga
Dean Henderson
Anthony Martial
Dalot
Henderson
Wan Bissaka
Maguire
Williams
Jones
Fred
VDB
Martial
Elanga
Bailly
Telles
Sancho
Wet Horse
Henderson
Wan Bissaka
Maguire
Williams
Jones
Fred
VDB
Martial
Elanga
Bailly
Telles
Sancho
Wet Horse
De Gea
De Gea, sorry I get he’s been a great servant and been a great keeper for us over the years but he’s a total liability with his kicking and his one main strength in shot stopping is going the same way as he’s producing shocker after shocker
DDG
Henderson
Maguire
Jones
McTominay or Fred
Martial
The rest I’m good with being backup as long as we bring in 3/4 first teamers.
Henderson
Maguire
Jones
McTominay or Fred
Martial
The rest I’m good with being backup as long as we bring in 3/4 first teamers.
Goalkeepers
De Gea
Henderson
Defenders
Williams
Maguire
Bailly
Tuanzebe
Jones
Telles
Midfielders
Fred
VDB
Forwards
Martial
Elanga
Sancho
(Wout)
De Gea
Henderson
Defenders
Williams
Maguire
Bailly
Tuanzebe
Jones
Telles
Midfielders
Fred
VDB
Forwards
Martial
Elanga
Sancho
(Wout)
De Gea
Henderson
Bailly
Maguire
Telles
McTominay
Fred
Donny
Elanga
Martial
I'd not sign either loan player either.
Jones is out of contract, right?
I like them both at times, but I'd also sell one of Dalot or AWB and get in a starter there.
Henderson
Bailly
Maguire
Telles
McTominay
Fred
Donny
Elanga
Martial
I'd not sign either loan player either.
Jones is out of contract, right?
I like them both at times, but I'd also sell one of Dalot or AWB and get in a starter there.
Martial
Weghorst
Sabitzer
Maguire
Telles
Donny
Elanga
Jones
Bailley
Mctom
Fred
Williams
Greenwood
De Gea
Henderson
Weghorst
Sabitzer
Maguire
Telles
Donny
Elanga
Jones
Bailley
Mctom
Fred
Williams
Greenwood
De Gea
Henderson
It says a lot when even with the improvements we’ve seen this year that we still want at least a third of the squad axed in the summer and you find yourself agreeing with it. We’ve got so much shit in the squad.
Like Tuanzebe is 25 and still a United player. Elanga looks like he may struggle for just a Premier League place at times. How is Bailly still here? How is Brandon Williams on £65k a week?
Like Tuanzebe is 25 and still a United player. Elanga looks like he may struggle for just a Premier League place at times. How is Bailly still here? How is Brandon Williams on £65k a week?
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It's more like who don't I want to go.
Maguire
Henderson
DDG
Telles
Bailly
Dalot
Mcrom
Fred
Donny (I love the kid but)
Elanga
Wout
Williams
Martial
We need to clean house and start again with players who will fight
Maguire
Henderson
DDG
Telles
Bailly
Dalot
Mcrom
Fred
Donny (I love the kid but)
Elanga
Wout
Williams
Martial
We need to clean house and start again with players who will fight
We need a 25-man squad to be there next season so we can’t exactly bin everyone.
I’d say it is easier to name players you’d be OK keeping:
GK: None
Full backs: All of them are OK for now
CBs: Varane, Martinez, Lindelof as backup. Rest should go.
Midfielders: Casemiro is the only one who is really OK to keep
Wingers: Realistically will need to keep Antony and Sancho. Prefer to keep Garnacho and Pellistri but quite pointless as Pellistri will never play
Forwards: Keep Rashford, bin the rest.
I’d say it is easier to name players you’d be OK keeping:
GK: None
Full backs: All of them are OK for now
CBs: Varane, Martinez, Lindelof as backup. Rest should go.
Midfielders: Casemiro is the only one who is really OK to keep
Wingers: Realistically will need to keep Antony and Sancho. Prefer to keep Garnacho and Pellistri but quite pointless as Pellistri will never play
Forwards: Keep Rashford, bin the rest.
Don't see us letting 12 go in one summer,however totally agree with the choices
SNAP!
That's my top 4 deadwood players to leave.
It'll open up reduce our wage bill and shall enable us to buy some new players who might be able to contribute.
Donny
Bailly
Telles
Are these still MUFC players?
I thought they'd already been ejected.
De Gea
Henderson
Telles
Williams
Bailly
Jones
Maguire
McTominay or Fred
VDB
Sancho
Martial
Would love to see all these guys sold/released but I don’t see us getting through that much work in one summer unfortunately.
Henderson
Telles
Williams
Bailly
Jones
Maguire
McTominay or Fred
VDB
Sancho
Martial
Would love to see all these guys sold/released but I don’t see us getting through that much work in one summer unfortunately.
Excepting Greenwood, this is my favourite post so far. Only thing I would say is that the two CM positions need another backup or two. I also am not sure on the signings for strikers... But given you aren't selling Martial in your post, I guess he'll be a third option.
Not seeing Lindelof on nearly enough lists. Had enough of him. Meek, weak and constantly stopping playing sticking his hand in the air asking for a decision. Waste of space. Never been good enough.
I'll also note that these threads are always kinda full of trash posts. A vetter thread is "Assuming we only buy 5 first team players this summer, which 3xGK, 2xLB, 2xRB, 4xCB, 5xCM, 6xAM, 3xST would be in your squad next season? You can include up to 5 extra players to make up the squad, and you don't have to name the new signings, just their positions."
The answers will give a much clearer and more rational/realistic replies for our sales.
The answers will give a much clearer and more rational/realistic replies for our sales.
Maguire and Martial would be the 2 highest profile disposals and would send the biggest message that changes are afoot.
There’s several other fringe ones I’d get rid of but the above 2 transfers to me would send a strong message.
There’s several other fringe ones I’d get rid of but the above 2 transfers to me would send a strong message.
De Gea
Henderson
Maguire
Bailly
Williams
Jones
Telles
Fred
McTomminay
DvB
Sabitzer
Sancho
Wout
Greenwood
Martial
Henderson
Maguire
Bailly
Williams
Jones
Telles
Fred
McTomminay
DvB
Sabitzer
Sancho
Wout
Greenwood
Martial
Maguire
Fred
Maguire
McTominay (if we get a good fee)
Telles
Sancho (loan)
Pellistri (loan)
Martial
Maguire
Vd Beek
But mostly, Maguire.
If we can't sell some of the above, I'd like to see us break a few contracts, even if we're taken to court over it. If we start doing that, we'll soon see some of the rubbish we have on our books look to leave
Fred
Maguire
McTominay (if we get a good fee)
Telles
Sancho (loan)
Pellistri (loan)
Martial
Maguire
Vd Beek
But mostly, Maguire.
If we can't sell some of the above, I'd like to see us break a few contracts, even if we're taken to court over it. If we start doing that, we'll soon see some of the rubbish we have on our books look to leave
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I would add mcfred to that list. Neither one is good enough nor consistent enough. We would get a fee for Mctom as well.
De Gea
Sancho
Maguire
Dalot
Fred
McTominay
Sancho
Maguire
Dalot
Fred
McTominay
De Gea
Maguire
Fred
McTominay
Dalot
Maguire
Fred
McTominay
Dalot
I'd sell Martial (I forgot to list him mate) . Its pointless to keep an injury prone player especially since he can't be arsed in putting a shift when he's available. Its a waste of money in salaries, it gives the wrong message out to the players and he won't be available when you need him. Regarding Greenwood if we sell him now then we'll get next to nothing for him. That means we're better off loaning him at a club we can trust were they will give him regular football away from the limelight. PSV would be my favourite TBH as the Dutch league is an easy league to play in, its in line to ETH's mentality and Ruud would take care of the boy. In 12 months time we can assess things up. Had Greenwood matured? Has his long absence of football ruined him? Does he deserve a second chance? If the answer is not then we'll be in a better position to sell him.
Maguire
Martial
Weghorst (but thanks for doing a job for us while you were here)
Jones
Martial
Weghorst (but thanks for doing a job for us while you were here)
Jones
I'd be buying in 2x ST, 2x CM, 1x CB, 1x RB. At a push, perhaps a GK. I'm not going to worry about the "who" in this post. I'm just trying to evaluate who we can sell based on what our squad will look like.
GK: I've never been more 50/50 on a keeper staying or going. I do think his incredible drop in form has been partially down to the incredible drop in quality in front of him, he simply doesn't play well with Maguire in particular.
Defence: Maguire goes, Dalot goes. AWB stays. Dalot unlucky but we need a high quality RB and I feel like AWB is the player who has performed better overall this season. Well aware that's a hot topic, and it's a tight call to say who goes but this is who I went with.
Central Midfield: This is tricky because of the age of Casemiro and Eriksen. I just don't think they have the legs. I'd be selling Fred. McT has been really good this season when called upon, but Fred has, a few goals aside, struggled to be consistent. I also get the feeling that ETH simply doesn't care for him at all. McT offers more than Fred, simply put. I don't care how much other clubs are willing to pay, I care about our squad, not theirs.
Attacking Midfield: I group this up as a number of the players can play in more than one of the spots. For me, it'd be Antony, Fernandes, Rashford, Garnacho as guaranteed spots in next year's squad. Sancho and Pellistri would be next. Elanga? Sold.
Strikers: Martial can stay because I want three strikers and it's not realistic to buy three in one window. I also don't want to count Rashford as one of the three strikers, I want him playing wide left when he's on. Rashford should only play ST if Garnacho is wide left. So, two strikers bought. No sales as Weghorst is simply a loan and Ronaldo is already gone.
IN: RB, CB, 2x CM, 2x ST - if we can dare afford more than that, throw in an AMR and another CB. Maybe a GK to replace DDG if we go down that road, too. Oh, and we'll need a 3rd keeper after Butland's loan finishes. I don't count this as a core signing, but worth noting.
OUT: Maguire, Dalot, Fred, Elanga, Henderson, Bailly, Telles, Jones, as well as loanees Butland, Sabitzer, Weghorst. Also anyone else who I might have overlooked that hasn't played for us this season.
Potential sales if we find the funds for even more replacements: Sancho/DDG.
* = potentially replaced, [pos] = new signing
Starting lineup: DDG*, [RB], Varane, Martinez, Shaw, Casemiro, [CM], Antony, Fernandes, Rashford, [ST].
Backup/Rotation: Heaton, [3rd GK], AWB, Lindelof, [CB], Malacia, [CM], McTominay, Eriksen, Sancho, Garnacho, Pellistri, Martial, [ST]
Emergency Use: Williams + Youth squad, pretty sure Williams is on peanuts anyway, I feel he's a decent extra player to backup the defence, but if we have a solid youth prospect we can play ahead of him then he can go too.
That makes a 26 man squad after 6 signings. Realistically we can go up to 30, so it allows for a bit of emergency backup and/or additional signings. It's also why you don't also see me saying we should sell everyone who isn't the second coming of Cantona, because quite frankly we need to be realistic: We have not purchased more than four players since 2015/16 (Martial, Schneiderlin, Depay, Darmian, Schweinsteiger). Even the six signings I've hoped for in this post would be a big change in recent buying history, but I'm counting on a new owner making a difference (optimistic in multiple ways there).
GK: I've never been more 50/50 on a keeper staying or going. I do think his incredible drop in form has been partially down to the incredible drop in quality in front of him, he simply doesn't play well with Maguire in particular.
Defence: Maguire goes, Dalot goes. AWB stays. Dalot unlucky but we need a high quality RB and I feel like AWB is the player who has performed better overall this season. Well aware that's a hot topic, and it's a tight call to say who goes but this is who I went with.
Central Midfield: This is tricky because of the age of Casemiro and Eriksen. I just don't think they have the legs. I'd be selling Fred. McT has been really good this season when called upon, but Fred has, a few goals aside, struggled to be consistent. I also get the feeling that ETH simply doesn't care for him at all. McT offers more than Fred, simply put. I don't care how much other clubs are willing to pay, I care about our squad, not theirs.
Attacking Midfield: I group this up as a number of the players can play in more than one of the spots. For me, it'd be Antony, Fernandes, Rashford, Garnacho as guaranteed spots in next year's squad. Sancho and Pellistri would be next. Elanga? Sold.
Strikers: Martial can stay because I want three strikers and it's not realistic to buy three in one window. I also don't want to count Rashford as one of the three strikers, I want him playing wide left when he's on. Rashford should only play ST if Garnacho is wide left. So, two strikers bought. No sales as Weghorst is simply a loan and Ronaldo is already gone.
IN: RB, CB, 2x CM, 2x ST - if we can dare afford more than that, throw in an AMR and another CB. Maybe a GK to replace DDG if we go down that road, too. Oh, and we'll need a 3rd keeper after Butland's loan finishes. I don't count this as a core signing, but worth noting.
OUT: Maguire, Dalot, Fred, Elanga, Henderson, Bailly, Telles, Jones, as well as loanees Butland, Sabitzer, Weghorst. Also anyone else who I might have overlooked that hasn't played for us this season.
Potential sales if we find the funds for even more replacements: Sancho/DDG.
* = potentially replaced, [pos] = new signing
Starting lineup: DDG*, [RB], Varane, Martinez, Shaw, Casemiro, [CM], Antony, Fernandes, Rashford, [ST].
Backup/Rotation: Heaton, [3rd GK], AWB, Lindelof, [CB], Malacia, [CM], McTominay, Eriksen, Sancho, Garnacho, Pellistri, Martial, [ST]
Emergency Use: Williams + Youth squad, pretty sure Williams is on peanuts anyway, I feel he's a decent extra player to backup the defence, but if we have a solid youth prospect we can play ahead of him then he can go too.
That makes a 26 man squad after 6 signings. Realistically we can go up to 30, so it allows for a bit of emergency backup and/or additional signings. It's also why you don't also see me saying we should sell everyone who isn't the second coming of Cantona, because quite frankly we need to be realistic: We have not purchased more than four players since 2015/16 (Martial, Schneiderlin, Depay, Darmian, Schweinsteiger). Even the six signings I've hoped for in this post would be a big change in recent buying history, but I'm counting on a new owner making a difference (optimistic in multiple ways there).
Both right backs need to go.
we have been here before with our easily pleased fanbase where a few good performances let's a player off for a fee seasons, bissaka may have had a good spell but that is all he offers and he will always be limited in possession and just need to be ruthless and get rid now whilst his stock has risen slightly because it won't get any better than it is which is not good enough.
we have been here before with our easily pleased fanbase where a few good performances let's a player off for a fee seasons, bissaka may have had a good spell but that is all he offers and he will always be limited in possession and just need to be ruthless and get rid now whilst his stock has risen slightly because it won't get any better than it is which is not good enough.