Some are caught up with the Poch media loving hype. Chelsea have a squad capable of challenging for top 4 and winning a domestic trophy next season, both are unlikely to be happen next season without bringing in a better manager.Am I missing something here? They've won
1 game in their last 4 in all competition which includes a 5-0 humiliation.
4 wins in last 9 league games.
That's fair take. But for me Enzo has both the legs and the quality. Its how Poch has sets up that has had issues all season. Especially alongside the fact Caicedo frankly has ONLY come to the party from march!I don't think that's true. The talent is there but it's a very youthful side, and their experience is in the form of players that are a bit past their best. In time they'll come good no doubt, they'll expedite that process if they bring in some experienced players in their prime though. I agree regarding the CF part, a Harry Kane would be transformative to them. I just think they need some experience at the back maybe, despite their talented younger CB options, and maybe something different in midfield to change the dynamic slightly. I think they're just missing something there. Enzo is technically good but he's not athletic and gets a bit overrun at times. I wouldn't say he's top level there either.
Why do you call him "Poche" when everyone else says "Poch"?That's fair take. But for me Enzo has both the legs and the quality. Its how Poch has sets up that has had issues all season. Especially alongside the fact Caicedo frankly has ONLY come to the party from march!
Also I don't see how their players lacking experience is a remotely a disadvantage. Because it hasnt been in roles where its terminal, and their experience could lead them in the dressing room. There is also almost no side in the league with the depth of options they have, even with loads of injured.
Honestly Poche can and should be getting far better from the roster he has. What am happy about though is the tide has started to turn since Februart and they are begining to look more like a team than 11 talents relying on Palmer magic most games. I fully expect it to continue if Poche doesn't mess around and sticks to the consistency of ideas from his succesful period at Spurs. Rather than the cobbled mess he produced in the first half of the season which was very much like his PSG horror show.
Yeah I said a while ago that it surprised me how he had them playing, as it didn't resemble the principles he normally adopted at Spurs, which served him well. He'd been handed a youthful team and was driving them in 2nd gear, and I believe he was sleepwalking into getting sacked. He seems to have got them looking more like what I expected now, so maybe it wasn't all down to Poch and just took time.That's fair take. But for me Enzo has both the legs and the quality. Its how Poch has sets up that has had issues all season. Especially alongside the fact Caicedo frankly has ONLY come to the party from march!
Also I don't see how their players lacking experience is a remotely a disadvantage. Because it hasnt been in roles where its terminal, and their experience could lead them in the dressing room. There is also almost no side in the league with the depth of options they have, even with loads of injured.
Honestly Poche can and should be getting far better from the roster he has. What am happy about though is the tide has started to turn since Februart and they are begining to look more like a team than 11 talents relying on Palmer magic most games. I fully expect it to continue if Poche doesn't mess around and sticks to the consistency of ideas from his succesful period at Spurs. Rather than the cobbled mess he produced in the first half of the season which was very much like his PSG horror show.
Is the poster French? A lot of people on French forums call him "poche"Why do you call him "Poche" when everyone else says "Poch"?
True.Yeah I said a while ago that it surprised me how he had them playing, as it didn't resemble the principles he normally adopted at Spurs, which served him well. He'd been handed a youthful team and was driving them in 2nd gear, and I believe he was sleepwalking into getting sacked. He seems to have got them looking more like what I expected now, so maybe it wasn't all down to Poch and just took time.
Maybe I'm being harsh on Enzo, we'll see when he returns. Probably not fair to judge him when they were playing so badly as a team. Like you said, Caicedo wasn't carrying out his end of the deal.
I still believe they lack the experience. Who are their experienced players? Sterling and Thiago Silva? The former isn't a leader in my eyes anyway, and the latter is in and out all season. I think they need experience in the spine of their team if they want to be winning things soon, though they may just
x that over the next couple of years like Arsenal have/is doing.
I haven't seen an interview with him in ages, but how is his English not better after so many years managing in England?This sounds like he’s maybe referring to Sterling? Maybe Enzo (though I think he’s been mostly good this season)? Thiago Silva?
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Caicedo wasn't doing his part because the team were set up for him to fail. Enzo pushed forward, the full-backs bombed forward and the wingers had feck all defensive duties. All added up Caicedo was often left isolated in midfield with huge empty spaces around him, which opponents could easily just play around to have a go at our back-line.Maybe I'm being harsh on Enzo, we'll see when he returns. Probably not fair to judge him when they were playing so badly as a team. Like you said, Caicedo wasn't carrying out his end of the deal.
As a non-native English speaker from a Spanish-speaking country myself I just can't get over how incredibly bad his English is. He's probably the worst if we factor in how long he's been there, but not the only one. Pep for example started strongly but has stagnated badly or even regressed, he hasn't made any progress whatsoever in years.I haven't seen an interview with him in ages, but how is his English not better after so many years managing in England?
Contract extensionSigns of something?
Think there are good signs. He has been given a lot of very young players so it's taken time.Signs of something?
Still don't think so. It's ridiculous that we have had to lose most of our first XI for Poch to realise that putting a second body in midfield next to Caicedo might be a good idea.Signs of something?
I’m mostly being facetious but I think if we’re being super critical when he’s failing it’s only fair to give him his flowers if he implements (or stumbles upon) a system or approach that actually works really well.Still don't think so. It's ridiculous that we have had to lose most of our first XI for Poch to realise that putting a second body in midfield next to Caicedo might be a good idea.
This team as constructed is absolutely crying out for a 3-4-3 and has been all season - Poch finally stumbling into this is hardly a mark in his favour. Give me Tuchel or give me death
This is fair. Certainly we've looked better of late (Arsenal match aside) - and I'm very glad we've apparently gotten rid of the idiotic caveman approach that was something like a 2-1-7 in possession at timesI’m mostly being facetious but I think if we’re being super critical when he’s failing it’s only fair to give him his flowers if he implements (or stumbles upon) a system or approach that actually works really well.
I have never been a Poch fan but I will never blindly be against him (I’m not suggesting you are btw). I’ll judge him based on what I’m seeing and lately I like what I’m seeing.
Sterling being dropped permanently helps, wasted so many chances this season when games were in the balance.Signs of something?
It’s crazy what happens when you just set up players in their correct positions and don’t insist on tactics that exposes their weaknesses and hides their strengths.This is fair. Certainly we've looked better of late (Arsenal match aside) - and I'm very glad we've apparently gotten rid of the idiotic caveman approach that was something like a 2-1-7 in possession at times
Sterling has definitely been guilty of that but so has the entire team minus Palmer. The only difference is Sterling isn’t a young inexperienced player who with potential to improve during a season and beyond. He pretty much is what he is at this point, while Jackson, Madueke have shown decent growth as the season has progressed.Sterling being dropped permanently helps, wasted so many chances this season when games were in the balance.
Bayern will be calling soon.
That would be 2 legitimate excuses surely?It is properly embarrassing Chelsea caught up to us in pts. That alone should be cause our team to have a serious wake-up call. Yes they spent a ton of some arguably more decent players than our average, but that is no excuse.
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If we can get Tuchel back then it's bye bye Poch as far as I'm concernedTweet
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Think keeping him would good decision for Chelsea atm. Would say the same about ten Hag and United if it was his 1st season.
Would Boehly go for Tuchel as he sacked him not long ago?If we can get Tuchel back then it's bye bye Poch as far as I'm concerned
“we’re gonna judge you on how you’ve done over the entire season, but we’re only gonna tell you after the next game.” i call bullshit.Tweet
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Think keeping him would good decision for Chelsea atm. Would say the same about ten Hag and United if it was his 1st season.
Tuchel is a pipe dream. I think he would happily let bygones be bygones if this ownership went to him cap in hand, but I don’t think they would even consider him, even if they sacked Poch and Tuchel was unemployed and available.If we can get Tuchel back then it's bye bye Poch as far as I'm concerned
This just feels like noise to be honest. I’m sure they’ll evaluate the work he’s done at the end of the season but there was hardly any noise about his job throughout the season when we were faffing about in 12th place. I doubt they would sack him if we end the season well and it looks like we’re going in the right direction.Tweet
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Think keeping him would good decision for Chelsea atm. Would say the same about ten Hag and United if it was his 1st season.
Probably not unfortunately - would require a degree of self-awareness I'm not sure Clearlake are capable of to realise they fecked up by firing him.Would Boehly go for Tuchel as he sacked him not long ago?
Agree with you to be honest but I find it so mind-blowing how these decisions that are potentially worth tens if not hundreds of millions are swayed by idiotic things like pride and/or the need to save face.Tuchel is a pipe dream. I think he would happily let bygones be bygones if this ownership went to him cap in hand, but I don’t think they would even consider him, even if they sacked Poch and Tuchel was unemployed and available.
Bournemouth is their cup final“we’re gonna judge you on how you’ve done over the entire season, but we’re only gonna tell you after the next game.” i call bullshit.
You saw the job Tuchel done at Bayern and still want him back?If we can get Tuchel back then it's bye bye Poch as far as I'm concerned