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There was a moment tonight where PSG were under siege at the end of the first half and Messi, Neymar and Mbappe were strolling back towards the penalty area. They do whatever they want, ego's are out of control
Rio and Owen highlighted it in the post game segment.

 

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I would genuinely prefer Ten Hag personally, however I still think it's likely to be Pochettino in the long run, and I find it hard to judge him on this PSG stint. It's like Carragher and Henry were saying last night, he is actually hampered by the fact he has an embarassment of riches upfront, because he just cannot set his team up the way he likes to set them up because those front 3 just won't do any of the work. It's just a complete mismatch I think and he'd be better off here or elsewhere
 

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I know PSG are already qualified after yesterday but t feel they will dump Poch and bring in Zidane very soon. They will have a look at it and think Zidane will be more likely to bring them the CL trophy than Poch. Ligue 1 is just a formality no matter who is in charge
 

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Poch hasn't even finished one season as manager either. The signs were good last season, especially in the UCL despite just being manager for 2-3 months, you should admit that his performances against Bayern, especially in the first leg was excellent. Tuchel's equivalent first season he lost to a terrible United side in the round of 16 and Ole was manager.

The new signings has obviously made an already unbalanced squad (as you yourself mentioned) even more so. Yet, after just 3 months of football, despite basically nearly wrapping up the league and one defeat in the UCL against City all of Paris is up in arms :lol: .
PSG sat back and prayed for Mbappe in the counter for their CL run under Poch. There was nothing impressive about it, they Ole’d Bayern
 

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Rio and Owen highlighted it in the post game segment.

Great teams work hard. I can't think of a team that has dominated in their domestic league and europe who haven't done so. You can carry maybe one player who doesn't track back but not 3, and even with just one you need to supplement that with absolute workhorses.
 

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I think they are both risks in different ways however if you're looking at mitigation then Poch offers more with regards to his experience and having operated in England than Ten Hag. Ten Hag is exciting but also a gamble. I don't mind the club going for him providing they are committed to waiting it out and giving him what he needs, on and off the pitch.

I disagree about Pochettino mind. Good coaches are always learning, developing and evolving. You can only do that through experience though, both good and bad. I also think his age is important as Ten Hag is being painted as some young up and coming genius when in fact he's actually got a few years on Pochettino.
That's not true though, unless we say that Mourinho, Benitez, Ancelotti, Capello and many other managers weren't/aren't good coaches. That's not how football works and that's not how the vast majority of people evolve either, some exceptional coaches like SAF did it but it's an exception, managers generally hit a ceiling, stagnate and then decline.

Let me ask you this, is it reasonable to think that Pochettino is on the Benitez trajectory?
 

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He'll be our new manager soon enough regardless of what anyone thinks of his style or achievements, and I do love the new "let's write someone off before they're even in the job to hide my thinly guised love in for Ten Hag" approach the Caf is currently taking.
This. The Caf has suddenly developed this massive boner for Ten Hag so they now go out of their way to pretend Poch is an average manager and latch onto any bit of negative to drive their narrative.
 

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I know PSG are already qualified after yesterday but t feel they will dump Poch and bring in Zidane very soon. They will have a look at it and think Zidane will be more likely to bring them the CL trophy than Poch. Ligue 1 is just a formality no matter who is in charge
Only if he can shove a rocket up the arse of Mbappe, Neymar or have the freedom to drop at least one of the 3. They will respect him instantly which certainly helps and he can tow the line of "I'm kind of a specialist at winning this thing".

I just don't want us to be a pawn in the chess game of an oil rich state by taking Poch off their hands.
 

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I would genuinely prefer Ten Hag personally, however I still think it's likely to be Pochettino in the long run, and I find it hard to judge him on this PSG stint. It's like Carragher and Henry were saying last night, he is actually hampered by the fact he has an embarassment of riches upfront, because he just cannot set his team up the way he likes to set them up because those front 3 just won't do any of the work. It's just a complete mismatch I think and he'd be better off here or elsewhere
Surely his inability to get that front 3 to work hard is on him though as manager, what would Conte do?
 

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I agree with you there, I'm more worried about his last season at Spurs than I am at his time at PSG but that was my point, using his time at PSG as a factor is really hard based on too many variables.
Again what I use and what most people seemingly use is the last 7 seasons. It's mainly people disagreeing with doubters that are claiming that people are judging him based on PSG.
 

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True. CL is more major than EL though, surely?


Yeah I’m not at all sure about whether he can do that either. The number of out and out Poch fanboys on here is vanishingly small though. I can only really think of the one who goes by the middle name of a composer from Salzburg.
I think it’s been determined that poster is Poch’s mum :)
 

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Ok. For those that are looking forward to Pochettino on the basis of his high line/high press, I asked the Spurs fans on Reddit about it.

The consensus is that the high press endured for a season or so and then the players got burned out. So, be warned. It's very likely that you'll not get this high press you're thinking of.
We just want an organised press. Even Pool have adapted their press under Klopp to allow the opposition more ground because it helps having a bit of extra space behind a defence. High press isn’t better or worse than a mid press. Low press, mid press, high press, trouser press….we’ll take any of them.
 

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Maybe this was posted earlier:


Interesting bits pasted below, and I bolded some bits that I found particularly intriguing. We will probably see the news all in a flurry when it happens, we've already spoken to 2 of the shortlist names and there was another who flew in specifically for an interview on Tuesday. The perm appointment looks to be Poch, with Crafton backing it up today.

"United have approached Paris Saint-Germain and are unlikely to be discouraged by the rejection. The onus now is on Pochettino to inform his present employers he wishes to have his employment terminated.

For appearances sake, United have to stay mum. The slightest suggestion they are deviating from their questionable plan outlined on Sunday is another stick to beat Woodward and Arnold with and their egos are already black and blue."

"PSG are bound to play hardball and posturing is inevitable yet it already feels a matter of when Pochettino becomes the United manager.

Uncertainty over the timeframe means United are speaking to other managers considered for the interim role. One flew into Manchester to be interviewed on Tuesday. Ernesto Valverde and Rudi Garcia have been spoken to and Ralf Rangnick is believed to be the preferred candidate.

A German source said 'Rangnick wants to decide EVERYTHING' - the last word written in block capitals2
 

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Ok. For those that are looking forward to Pochettino on the basis of his high line/high press, I asked the Spurs fans on Reddit about it.

The consensus is that the high press endured for a season or so and then the players got burned out. So, be warned. It's very likely that you'll not get this high press you're thinking of.
I think Poch would have learnt, we have seen Pep, Klopp adapt their high press to a more contained press which allows them to stay fresh.

Also, Poch is good at improving players so, if Martial, Rashford, Sancho, Greenwood, Bruno, Donny can be improved, we can have 2 sets of forwards in 2 different games, which means our players won't be burnt out.

High press doesn't mean run around all game, I am sure he can adapt.

P.S Ole didn't play pressing game and the players were burnt out last season.
 

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Surely his inability to get that front 3 to work hard is on him though as manager, what would Conte do?
Conte wouldn't take the job, how do you honestly drop Neymar, Mbappe or Messi? I guarantee there will be words from the top to play them considering how much money is being paid for them
 

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I guess your hard on for Poch is not hilarious?
…yes, it is hilarious! :lol:
The Poch-cult is hilarious.
What on earth has he ever done to convince you to bend over like this? What style of play has he implemented and how has PSG improved because of him? What makes you so sure he will take us to the next level?
Other than an improved squad after the most ridiculous transfer window in football history, I see zero improvement in their play, rather the opposite…
8% of the Caf wants him here.
It’ll get ugly fast if he comes here and doesn’t hit the ground running.….
Except I don't have a hard on for Poch, he wouldn't be my first choice, but he is better choice than Ten Hag for me, I don't see any Poch cult here, you are projecting, all people that don't mind Poch in is just that, people being cautiously positive about him coming in because he has league experience and lots of positives from his Southampton and Spurs days. But reading Ten Hag people you would think he is second coming of Christ that is 100% guaranteed to win everything in his path if he comes here.

So I don't know which one you would call "cult" here. ;)
 

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I do think it’s odd that people are holding his PSG form against him. It’s being completely ignored that PSG beat City in the return fixture and actually over the two games came out on top in terms of the scoreline, if not the performance.

Yes City dominated last night, but they also dominated and beat Chelsea at Stamford Bridge who sit at the top of the Premier League under Tuchel.

This is the team that we are trying to topple and Pochettino has by hook or by crook matched them over two games.

Let’s not forget that Tuchel’s PSG lost twice at home to United under Ole (the same Ole that has been widely chastised here for the last few months), including blowing a two goal lead in the knockout stages against a team that included Dalot, Smalling, Young, Pereira and McFred.

Again, Tuchel now sits top of the league with a side that look much more disciplined in his image.

I have doubts about Pochettino too, but that comes with the territory when you appoint a manager whose best days are ahead of him, which is what we are obviously looking to do.

The sentiment on here just a week ago was that Ole had to be sacked and that anyone could do a better job, anyone with half a clue could have this squad challenging.

It’s difficult to reconcile that sentiment with what is being said now about Pochettino not being fit to take us forward.

Yes Ten Hag is a very interesting option also but turning our nose up at Pochettino is a bit silly for me.
 

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I know PSG are already qualified after yesterday but t feel they will dump Poch and bring in Zidane very soon. They will have a look at it and think Zidane will be more likely to bring them the CL trophy than Poch. Ligue 1 is just a formality no matter who is in charge
The thing about PSG right now is that the midfield is nowhere near at optimal strength. With Ramos coming in after his injury it would make sense to move Marquinhos to become a holding midfielder - a position he's exceptional at, to partner Veratti who is also coming back from an injury. It shouldn't matter this much at a club with that kind of resources, but it clearly does and is compounded by the fact that the front trio doesn't work hard enough. A midfield trio of Veratti, Marquinhos and Winjaldum/Hererra/Paredes could make a significant difference both in terms of workrate and passing quality. We can't pretend that the midfield last night was anywhere near as good as City's.

With that in place I think Poch could still do very well with this team.

That front trio also needs to learn to pass the ball properly. I get Carragher's rant about not working hard enough, but they could at least make better decisions in attack - that's what they are supposed to be good at. On that point I'm pretty sure Zizou could make a significant difference as I think he has far more natural authority than virtually any other manager on the planet because of his personality and his exceptional career as a player. They shouldn't need Zidane to be able to do this, but maybe that's the kind of sucess (both as a player and manager) that is required for them to be sensible.
 

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I know PSG are already qualified after yesterday but t feel they will dump Poch and bring in Zidane very soon. They will have a look at it and think Zidane will be more likely to bring them the CL trophy than Poch. Ligue 1 is just a formality no matter who is in charge
Everyone knows they want Zidane. It’s Zidane who probably doesn’t want to go there.
 

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Has a manager ever asked his employer to sack him in order to join another club mid season? if Poch does it, I'd have the utmost respect for him. Feck PSG and other oil clubs. It's time someone sees them as a stepping stone than a final retirement home.
 

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Bit like getting Haaland before Dortmund, or signing an actual defensive midfielder - this makes too much sense for Ed et al. They'll find a creative way to screw it up.
 

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That's not true though, unless we say that Mourinho, Benitez, Ancelotti, Capello and many other managers weren't/aren't good coaches. That's not how football works and that's not how the vast majority of people evolve either, some exceptional coaches like SAF did it but it's an exception, managers generally hit a ceiling, stagnate and then decline.

Let me ask you this, is it reasonable to think that Pochettino is on the Benitez trajectory?
I think the real question is if you think Pochettino has hit his ceiling and is now stagnating and declining?
 

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Yet Tuchel has the highest win percentage of all time for PSG...

Hope United do get Poch as dont see him ever bringing you to the levels of competing with Pep, Klopp, Tuchel

Ten Haag is the only option that given time could potentially do so
On current form Poch will probably surpass that this season. He could even match it by Christmas given that it is mostly Ligue 1 games between now and then.
 

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I think the club would do that but if PSG aren’t willing to come to the table then I don’t see how it can happen unless he kicks up a fuss.
I think PSG may be more willing to come to the table once they know they have a replacement lined up. So it really all hinges on Zidane...
 

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Has a manager ever asked his employer to sack him in order to join another club mid season? if Poch does it, I'd have the utmost respect for him. Feck PSG and other oil clubs. It's time someone sees them as a stepping stone than a final retirement home.
I think you're talking about resigning.
 

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I think the real question is if you think Pochettino has hit his ceiling and is now stagnating and declining?
I suspect that he has hit his ceiling based on how his tenure at Spurs evolved and how he didn't manage to adapt with different players and his key players losing form, then nothing he has done at PSG makes me believe that it was due to the player he had at Tottenham. But that's only a suspiscion, I have no certitudes.

PS: Keep in mind that for me, his best season in terms of performances was 16/17.
 

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Oh right. PSG would sack him the moment he asks about it though. Just to look good.
Well if they sack him they'll have to pay out his contract as opposed to him resigning which won't entitle him to any pay. Then again this is PSG and their Quatar lots don't care about money and would most likely just sack him and pay him off to look good rather than being resigned on.
 

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Rio and Owen highlighted it in the post game segment.

Shades of United here too. Said it in the summer, adding Messi with Neymar and Mbappe would probably make them weaker not stronger. Getting rid of Cavani was a big mistake.
 

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Shades of United here too. Said it in the summer, adding Messi with Neymar and Mbappe would probably make them weaker not stronger. Getting rid of Cavani was a big mistake.
They didn't get rid of Cavani, he wanted to leave because Tuchel wasn't using him.
 

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On current form Poch will probably surpass that this season. He could even match it by Christmas given that it is mostly Ligue 1 games between now and then.
Well it will be his greatest "trophy" to date if so..

Absolute middle ground of an appointment, in Zidane you could have a manager with an Aura that would suit the personalities and egos of your squad, he could galvanise your players in a similar way he did the Galacticos at madrid. Ten Haag would provide a long term option, tactics and the playstyle identity, only question is can he translate those things in a bigger setup like united?

Both Zidane and TH have the potential to put united back in with Chelsea City Pool

Poch wont be able to keep the dressing room and he certainly wont return United to the top, Maguire Pogba Ronaldo etc will be way too much for him to handle, hes a typical manager in the mould of Moyes just a cut below the elite, but can make his inferior teams compete with the best as they buy into it a lot more. A very Spursy manager,
 

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My worry would be that when Spurs did back to him to go up a level he spent big money on Ndombele and Lo Celso. Spurs were pretty good to watch under him but he's quite functional as opposed to expansive from what I recall
The way things started to unravel in the last season was a worry but I felt he overstayed his stay at Spurs. It was similar to Klopp at Dortmund. I won't read too much into that. As for the football yes it is not Pep esque or Klopp esque but tell me which other manager plays that type of football. Even Tuchel is pragmatic in his approach, in fact one can say more than Poch. Also, I think his football from 201t to 2018 was pretty fun to watch. In fact he was unlucky to come against Conte's chelsea who had no midweek games and finished on 93 points. But his spurs side that season finished with 86 points which is very good.

Tuchel nearly won the CL so there's that. Let's see if Pochettino can get that far.
Poch also nearly won the CL with Spurs and reached semis with PSG and got knocked out by a strong City side. One could argue they werw hard done in the semis with the red cards and injuries to key players. Also they reached semis after knocking out Barca and the defending champions Bayern. Tuchel got a far easier route to the final beating dortmund, atalanta and Leipzig. And if I remember correctly his PSG side were completely outplayed by the Atalanta side and managed two late goals out of nowhere. Point is Tuchel's Psg was equally disjointed. But now look at Tuchel. Doing a fantastic work at chelsea. I would say even Klopp would struggle at PSG. Some managers are just not made for PSG job and poch is one of them.
 

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No other manager in the world has to deal with stars like their front 3. Pep and klopp for example both have teams built around how they like to play football without massive egos
How did Luis Enrique do it with MSN at Barca?

Or Ancelotti/Zidane with BBC at Real?
 

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I do think it’s odd that people are holding his PSG form against him. It’s being completely ignored that PSG beat City in the return fixture and actually over the two games came out on top in terms of the scoreline, if not the performance.

Yes City dominated last night, but they also dominated and beat Chelsea at Stamford Bridge who sit at the top of the Premier League under Tuchel.

This is the team that we are trying to topple and Pochettino has by hook or by crook matched them over two games.

Let’s not forget that Tuchel’s PSG lost twice at home to United under Ole (the same Ole that has been widely chastised here for the last few months), including blowing a two goal lead in the knockout stages against a team that included Dalot, Smalling, Young, Pereira and McFred.

Again, Tuchel now sits top of the league with a side that look much more disciplined in his image.

I have doubts about Pochettino too, but that comes with the territory when you appoint a manager whose best days are ahead of him, which is what we are obviously looking to do.

The sentiment on here just a week ago was that Ole had to be sacked and that anyone could do a better job, anyone with half a clue could have this squad challenging.

It’s difficult to reconcile that sentiment with what is being said now about Pochettino not being fit to take us forward.

Yes Ten Hag is a very interesting option also but turning our nose up at Pochettino is a bit silly for me.
A number of people have convinced themselves that if City get Ten Hag they will sweep everything in their path. Because of that fear they see any other candidate as not being good enough. Ajax's impressive performances in the Champions League reinforce that belief and the fact that his playing style is a combination of stylistic elements from Guardiola, German machine football and Dutch total football adds to his profile. It's hard to claim that someone who incorporates three of the most dominant styles over the last sixty years in a working tactical setup isn't destined for success. A Dutchman who coached Bayern II while Guardiola was at Bayern, whose patterns of play resemble the big boss himself and has refined his Ajax style with grinding German machine football put on top of a total football model where players can hit passes blind is attractive to say the least. It's amazing how many times players hit passes with their backs to each other

To be fair to Ajax, even when they have lost or drawn this season they have had a higher xG than the opposition. Some of their performances have been jaw dropping. It's a very effective system, and I don't blame anyone for wanting to see that at Man Utd. I think some people are desperate for that style of football - understandably so - and therefore lay on pretty thick on the negatives about Pochettino. Almost as if this message board decides who we get as a manager.
 

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How did Luis Enrique do it with MSN at Barca?

Or Ancelotti/Zidane with BBC at Real?
Or any manager in a top club. You would think that it's normal for top clubs to have humble and unassumed stars. You would swear that the FC Hollywood wasn't a thing or that Del Bosque's Madrid was a reunion of the Care Bears.