Americans just don't get that parts of the world don't want democracy at this time, they want to support their ethnic group or religion irrespective of numbers.
They probably will do just that, which is why the process will need to be co-managed by an international mandate for a generation at least.
You know the idea of an 'internationally managed mandate' has extremely negative connotations in that part of the world, right? Any international troops sent there to enforce it will immediately become targets for anyone belonging to the 'losers' in your elections. What countries are going to volunteer their young guys for that task?
Wait, you don't have ID cards in the UK?
We're well beyond that point now. We're now in an existential vacuum where its either stabilize Syria (and Iraq) or face more attacks in the west. This will require a UNSCR mandating the removal of ISIS, negotiations between Assad and the non IS opposition, and a roadmap towards credible and inclusive elections. The peacekeeping force would be UN with mainly regional Middle Eastern forces participating.
I believe that is part of deal yeah. Apparently the final showdown in Jerusalem with the anti-Messiah will occur after the battle with the armies of Rome in the period of the 12th caliph, Baghdadi is the 8th legitimate caliph by their calculations.
But with them attacking West, how are they thinking that we'll become friends in order to destroy all the Jews?
And therein lies the problem.
Point taken, but now you're talking about regime change. We better be clear about the reasons we are going to war.
It also needlessly fragments human society based on ancient bullshit pseudo-fairytales. I think the two dominant socio-cultural strains of the 21st century will be Atheism and Veganism.
I think Assad would have to be brought into the process to negotiate with the opposition. Short of leaving the country, its the only way things would work.
Which will be forced upon us like it or not.
It's making some of us a little schizophrenic, anxious and very paranoid.
That's completely unrealistic so no point in even suggesting
Killing people in the name of no God. People that deny the nonexistence of the God.Which will be forced upon us like it or not.
The bolded part i have no idea tbh.
It shouldn't be. Living your life by the laws of a book written thousands of years a go is stupid. There is a reason why religious texts are constantly reprimanded by atheist. It's because they are a product of their time.
Assuming you could:
People can believe whatever the feck they want and shouldn't be told either way
a) Pretty sure Putin would play along in an anti IS campaign, especially as it would partially bring him back into the fold from his current parriah status with the west. China would also participate or at a minimum abstain.
Actually there are some radical atheist who seriously talk of the need to lock believers up due to beleiving in a god being a sign of insanity. Or talk of locking up parents for child abuse for passing their beliefs into their young children.Killing people in the name of no God. People that deny the nonexistence of the God.
Said no one ever.
Putin's condition for (a) would be (is) that Assad stays in power. I actually think the Americans (or more accurately the Obama admin) are coming around to this position, but it negates the need for (b) and (d). At this stage, an Assad victory or some kind of partition is looking most likely. As for (c), no sane government is going to want their troops involved in this mess, you really think the Brazilians, Indians, Nigerians, Irish, whoever are gonna like seeing their young guys coming home in coffins?
I think the calculus has changed since he started bombing. Its now less so about Assad and Russian influence and more about getting back at ISIS and getting back in the good graces of the west.
Not to mention that many in more rural communities who don't know much about global affairs probably just don't really get the whole concept of democracy. I remember reading before that it was a particular problem for the US in Afghanistan, when they'd encounter people who didn't know about 9/11 and had no conception of the whole idea of a large, central state.
I don't think it's possible to eliminate them completely, in that their ideology and disgusting beliefs aren't going to go away for a long time, but military action would manage to prevent them from being an entity who actually has proper territorial control anymore. The major problem, however, would be that another group simply takes their place, and that we end up with a shocking number of civilian casualties as we go about our aim of destroying them.
Eliminating them may be a tall order, but taking the battle to their turf, degrading and destabilizing their ability to organize, train, and execute attacks would be enough to keep them off balance to where they can't do any more damage. The problem with the current approach is that it doesn't address their ability to train and launch attacks from within Syria, much as Al-Qaeda were doing in Afghanistan pre-911.
Chop this part of the Middle East up into US backed city states, each with their own military and large militarised borders
Reducing them in number may not reduce their ability to target the West. It's the strategists, the leaders that are the dangerous ones. To that end, I think the real challenge is the intelligence battle needed to minimize their ability to cause us direct harm. We need a coherent strategy to make it difficult for cells to operate in Europe. I fear the act of going to war will perversely be the start of a new era of terrorism and the fear of it.
By chopping anyone who disagrees with them up into blittle peices
We've had a massive ISIS thread going in this forum since June 2014, obviously you're not going to trawl through it all but perhaps take a look.
I completely agree. You can't implement democracy without a willing, invested public because they can't build the rest of it without people who want it to succeed.
That option isn't on the table, hasn't it been evident since ages now ? Everyone is beating around the bush imo.
Muslims are supposed to follow Jesus Christ upon his return.
