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Poll: How should the world deal with ISIS ?
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Only one of those options can be chosen really, the rest are all the same thing - let ISIS spread.
The world needs to take action.
Needs more options:
Containment (i.e. continue with the current policy)
End relations with the Saudis and their allies while they continue to support Salafi-Jihadis in the region
Resume pressure on Iran and its regional allies
Containment (i.e. continue with the current policy)
End relations with the Saudis and their allies while they continue to support Salafi-Jihadis in the region
Resume pressure on Iran and its regional allies
None of the options apart from B will ever work and I've severe doubts if even B will work.
I added Containment.
ISIL aren't going to negotiate with anyone and leaving the middle east is a terrible idea. UAE, the Saudis etc don't want to cooperate..."its not our problem ". I also think that ISIL might be getting funding from sympathisers in those countries. Go on an assault and rebuild after. Actively involve the locals in the forces too.
There is also a piece here about how much of our own civil liberties are we prepared to give up. As was the case after 9/11.
For example would Western citizens be open to greater surveillance (even personal tagging) to make our countries safer?
For example would Western citizens be open to greater surveillance (even personal tagging) to make our countries safer?
option 2 :....then divide both countries, one for each sect.
unless they would accept a dictator to rule over them like Bashar, or they miraculously somehow learn to tolerate each other !
unless they would accept a dictator to rule over them like Bashar, or they miraculously somehow learn to tolerate each other !
You can't negotiate with terrorists.
Option 3 is Not Applicable. ISIS doesn't understand politics. it wants you to convert to Islam or pay Jizzya. That's the only negotiable thing for them.
Agreed with this. Although we're treading difficult ground if we start to poke countries like the Saudis. The last thing we want is for all of the Middle East to rise up against the West. It's a very tricky situation as you can easily make the situation much worse by making the wrong move.
They don't want anything other than to kill. If it wasn't 'the west', it'd be someone else over something else.
B is the only option there, not that it'd work.
B is the only option there, not that it'd work.
This question has mulled in my mind for quite a while, but honestly, I still have no idea what I think the rest of the world should do.
None of them will work. You leave them alone, they spread. You invade them, and then they will try and hit back under the name of "invasion."
Option 2 but I doubt anything will work against them. Ideally, the west should start with ordering assassinations on all the rich Arab sheikhs in Saudi Arabia who want everyone to follow their own dark age way of living.
I voted for invasion. But that still does not solve the terrorists here in Europe and the West.They are a virus. We need to quarantine and eliminate virus.
I would start with Identity Cards.
Make everyone register.
I would start with Identity Cards.
Make everyone register.
People voting for option two and then saying it wouldn't work - if it's unlikely to work then that's the one option we should stay the hell away from as a failed war with boots on the ground will just make things worse.
I think this kind of thing is increasingly inevitable. Sounds like a small thing but there are inevitably going to be erosions in our civil liberties.
The trouble is that the world is not just as war with ISIS, it's at war with an ideology. ISIS is just the latest (and most destructive) manifestation of this ideology. The West can go in and crush the IS infrastructure but the ideology still exists and will always exist until people stop believing in religious nonsense...which will take a very long time.
But saying that, I think Western powers should absolutely be embarking on a full-scale invasion of IS territories....even though it should have happened a long time ago when they started a campaign of genocide against minority groups in Northern Iraq and Syria. The ideologically cannot be defeated any time soon but people can at least be protected from it to some extent if a Western coalition can take control of the area. The long term solution is anyone's guess.
But saying that, I think Western powers should absolutely be embarking on a full-scale invasion of IS territories....even though it should have happened a long time ago when they started a campaign of genocide against minority groups in Northern Iraq and Syria. The ideologically cannot be defeated any time soon but people can at least be protected from it to some extent if a Western coalition can take control of the area. The long term solution is anyone's guess.
I would give them what they want, pull all forces out of the region, blockade the major trade routes, nobody goes in or out and leave them to it.
Just severe all connections with the middle east entirely.
Just severe all connections with the middle east entirely.
We need to know where these people reside. Yes. It will be Big Brother watching over us. They are already doing it. Even your cell phone that is not on can be traced it was said.
You also create a whole new generation of terrorists. The only way we can make it work is to show the local population that the West is trying to improve their lives and that means spending money on creating new infrastructures and improving their quality of life. To do that requires substantial resources and money and that's where the problem lies.None of them will work. You leave them alone, they spread. You invade them, and then they will try and hit back under the name of "invasion."
Terrorism will always be part of our world. I just can't see how it can be stopped, there will always be people who will try to take advantage of the weak and manipulate them. I don't know if there's anyway of stopping that, all we can do is try and limit the amount of numbers that get manipulated.
I've gone for containment with no invasion. I think it should be accompanied by the tightening of Europe's borders and a draw-down in relations with most countries in the region. So basically a combination of 1, 4 and 6.
Give up all civil liberties, invade the Middle East (murdering hundreds of thousands of civilians in the process), and wait ten years for it all start up again... minus the surrendered civil liberties which won't ever be returned.
No thanks.
No thanks.
Great stuff for you and me and outside that region but what are you gonna do with the population over there?
not up for sending westerners into that hell hole. how does that help? many think it's western influences that created this for starters (back to 1948)
Spain has had ID cards for years.
Did not stop ETA the last time they decided to set off a couple of bombs.
ID cars solve absolutely nothing other than telling you who someone is, they dont predict the future, or tell you that person holds lunatic views about blowing themselves up.
The Fuel reserves are there. The world still needs them until there is an alternative source. Being cynical I would get rid of the Saudi family that controls the reserves there for starters.
Absolutely nothing.
People shouldn´t discuss serious politics, while being in a state of emotional distress. It just makes you look silly. I know that the attack yesterday was horrific, but it didn´t really change anything. Furthermore it is important to make a distinction between ISIS in Syria/Iraq and a domestic French problem. Both are connected, but regardless of what you do with ISIS/AQ, lone-wolf/small group jihadi terrorism will continue to exist in France.
Humanity.
ID cards would be a start. Of Course I would concentrate on people who came from that area. Racial profiling and all that sure. But we need to be safe. This will help us monitor where they are. Eventually narrowing down teh groups. Finally to exterminate them.
ISIS and politics? Now that is an oxymoron.
Where is the eliminate them and then rethink our loyalty to some of these Arab countries.
Saddam and Assad are horrible dictators and they must be removed...but the House of Saud are all good?
Economic sanctions that nearly destroyed Iran, but nothing but hugs and platitudes for the Saudis?
Saddam and Assad are horrible dictators and they must be removed...but the House of Saud are all good?
Economic sanctions that nearly destroyed Iran, but nothing but hugs and platitudes for the Saudis?
Option 2 seems only option but I doubt the 'international force' won't have their own agendas after that so the 'rebuild' part of it looks only true in theory. Still, that's the only way to me.
ID cards are a laughable proposal.
They have resources, they have fuel, they have food, land they can grow on, power stations, hospitals what exactly would we be denying them other than access to the west?
The world needs a restart. Something like an interstellar type event.
But they probably will happen. Along with other more intense surveillance of Western populations. Lets not forget many of these ISIS 'fighters' are homegrown here in the west.