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Poor players in great teams - those who were so far out of their depth you felt sorry for them?
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Kieran Richardson - 2 PL titles with us but his subsequent clubs show the standard he was at.
Likewise PL winning Alexander Büttner in Sir Alex's final season.
Likewise PL winning Alexander Büttner in Sir Alex's final season.
Quinton Fortune.
Ah christ, that's an awful example
This is one of those that seems like it should be easy but really isnt. I was thinking of players who were "out of their class".
Someone like Erik Meijer for Liverpool, definitely not a great team, turned up at 30 for no good reason played 24 games and scored one goal.
Someone like Erik Meijer for Liverpool, definitely not a great team, turned up at 30 for no good reason played 24 games and scored one goal.
I always thought that in those England teams in a midfield that could boast Scholes, Lampard, Gerrard, Beckham, Hargreaves that Jenas was out of place.
Mangala at city is a big one for me.
Falcao for that title winning Chelsea team.
Mangala at city is a big one for me.
Falcao for that title winning Chelsea team.
He was a good player
Remi Garde Arsenal, mainly brought in to help Vieira?
Kramer was a solid backup midfield destroyer, who played an important part for Favre in Gladbach.
Großkreutz and Durm were Dortmund's fullback pair for the 13/14 season. Individually they were on the weak end of the squad, but they weren't surprise inclusions.
Alan Smith after his injury for us.
He was woefully out of his depth, and we made it worse by playing him in midfield.
He was woefully out of his depth, and we made it worse by playing him in midfield.
I'm not arguing against Kramer being in the squad, we had an injury crises with injuries to the Bender brothers and Gundogan before the tournament, so he had to come in for midfield. He did have a good season at Gladbach as well before the WC, just saying that in the long run he won't really be remembered as a major player and would surprise many people to see he was part of the squad.
Eric Durm had a good season with Dortmund in 13/14. My point about Grosskreutz was more around his career with Dortmund as well, where he played over 200 games but always looked so inferior to the rest of his teammates.
Pascal Cygan at Arsenal. He was not a regular starter but even fringe players at good sides like Arsenal were in the early 00s should be better than him. One of the worst Arsenal players to get a PL medal I can think of.
You rated him then? I mean again in context to the midfield at the time. Perhaps it's a little unfair given he did have injuries but then it's in the context of this thread. Didn't play more than 10 games in any of the three title winning seasons.
After Man. United he went to Bolton and didn't play much and then wound up at Doncaster in the championship.
Granted he didn't play much for us, 5 games + pre-season, but Zoran Tosic surely. Felt sorry for him when he was at United. He was bullied off the ball so easily.
Stepanovs at Arsenal
Pepe Reina - Spain.
Geoff Thomas and Carlton Palmer for England.
Fred the striker for Brazil.
Have to say Gignac when he was coming on for France at euro 2016. Nearly scored in the final IIRC but he left the journeyman striker to score the winner glory to Eder.
Yeah harsh on him he had a lot of potential to a be a really good player for United.
I'm struggling to think of one tbh. Easier at international level, Guivarch for instance.
The Real Madrid defence at the start of the Galactico era really stands out. If ever there was an unbalanced team that was it. "We don't need Nesta, we have Pavon".
Ronnie van Needlemans at Wirral FC
Bebe was woefully out of his depth at United.
The hell you on about??
I"ve also seen Matip mentioned... Do you guys watch football? None of theese are out of their debt...
Jordi Cruyff for us is a shout. Or maybe Borini at Sunderland
Luzhny was much better than Stepanovs and a good fullback/wingback in his prime, but moved to Arsenal too late. He'd been playing full seasons since the late '80s which is a long time at that era for most players that relied a lot on their athleticism and great workrate rather than being someone that could fall back on great technique. Especially on the often poor quality pitches in Ukraine that caused a lot of injuries. He was starting a decline and his body was starting to break down with a lot of injuries by the time he moved, but he'd still managed to mostly play very well in the CL campaigns so it probably lured Arsenal into thinking they were getting a player with a lot more left in the tank than was really the case.
I think he was a player that would have been stylistically well suited to having a very good career in England if he'd moved in the early 90s.
Especially when he got injured. With every week him being injured, his status among Liverpool fans grew.
Good pick.
He was absolute rubbish.
Umtiti
For club and country.
For club and country.
I always thought he done OK, was never a superstar but I don't recall him ever letting us down, he done a job for us - much like Phil Neville used to in midfield, so I think it was a little unfair to say he was a poor player.
Bebe is by far the best example and maybe the bench mark to compare others too.
Like I say obertan was v similar and actually got games
Bebe was just an odd one all round really and didn't really play much. Obertan is a better shout from the same era really, was pretty poor at Newcastle aswell.
How about David Bellion? Didn't score much at Sunderland but you took a punt on him. Now a designer.
Bebe has a Premier League championship to his name from 2011. Surely no one can top that.
Did he really play in that many games? I can remember the mentioned Wolves game as I was in the pub that day with a Man. United mate watching that and also a Villa game on a different tv. Mate nudged me when he saw Bebe coming on so we watched for 10 minutes as he kept firing crosses out of play and then I think he was subbed off.
I assumed after that he was just limited to cup games.
Dida at AC Milan
Arbeloa in Jose's Madrid team. Poor player is harsh but he stood out as the average player on the team.
Arbeloa in Jose's Madrid team. Poor player is harsh but he stood out as the average player on the team.
Decent shout too