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Population growth is affecting much more than the climate crisis. Humans are gobbling up more and more of the planet for our own use and at the same time pushing out the other animals and plants. David Attenborough made this point earlier in the week.
Humans really are the most greedy of all the animals on earth.
 

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We’ve gone from a world population hitting the 1 billion mark around 1800

too 8 billion just 200 years later

when you think about that, it’s crazy. All those thousands of years too get too a population of 1 Billy, then almost in a blip a further 7 billion arrives

I think folks are quite often surprised when they hear that just 2000 years ago, around the time of Christ, there was just (according too expert historians) a world population of 170 million, let that sink in!
 

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We’ve gone from a world population hitting the 1 billion mark around 1800

too 8 billion just 200 years later

when you think about that, it’s crazy. All those thousands of years too get too a population of 1 Billy, then almost in a blip a further 7 billion arrives

I think folks are quite often surprised when they hear that just 2000 years ago, around the time of Christ, there was just (according too expert historians) a world population of 170 million, let that sink in!
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The world is going to face a crisis of terminal population decline which will be an existential crisis.

Every region bar Africa and Middle East is declining or will start declining soon, and even most religions are also barely above replenishment fertility rate with Islam the only exception.

Overpopulation fears were a myth from the 90s that needs to die and will.
 

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We’ve gone from a world population hitting the 1 billion mark around 1800

too 8 billion just 200 years later

when you think about that, it’s crazy. All those thousands of years too get too a population of 1 Billy, then almost in a blip a further 7 billion arrives

I think folks are quite often surprised when they hear that just 2000 years ago, around the time of Christ, there was just (according too expert historians) a world population of 170 million, let that sink in!
It’s by far the most important factor in the climate crisis. Resources are finite and the pressure to extract more and more of them to match exponentially increasing demand is a huge burden for the planet. The fact that the population is exploding most rapidly in countries/regions that are relatively poorly resourced must also be an issue in terms of quality of life and poverty.

And yeah, capitalism and the crazy standard of living expected in the most developed regions is also a huge problem. But you can’t get away from the basic maths of the number of people on the planet vs the resources to sustain them.
 

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Is this still a thing? Believe most countries will have to grapple with the collapse of populations rather than the growth.
 

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Is this still a thing? Believe most countries will have to grapple with the collapse of populations rather than the growth.
It is still a thing, whilst capitaism in it's current form continues the system is unsustainable

Nationalistic governments are being elected partly on the basis if curbing immigration, yet immigration is what keeps these countries functioning, the economies of countries like the US and the UK would collapse without them
 

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Overpopulation is an overrated problem whenever I've looked into it. Thomas Malthus thought it would be a thing a long time ago and it was wrong. There is a distribution of resources problem but not an inability of the resources available to support the world's population.

I also seem to remember that demographers believed the world's population would naturally stabilize around 12-13 billion for a while anyway.
 

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Overpopulation is an overrated problem whenever I've looked into it. Thomas Malthus thought it would be a thing a long time ago and it was wrong. There is a distribution of resources problem but not an inability of the resources available to support the world's population.

I also seem to remember that demographers believed the world's population would naturally stabilize around 12-13 billion for a while anyway.
Maybe not an inability of resources to meet needs but a cost in terms of climate change due to the carbon footprint of providing all those resources? Which can only trend in one direction as population continues to exponentially grow in regions where improving quality of life means a more resource intensive lifestyle. I don’t see how that can be dismissed as a non issue while the world is currently on fire?

Of course this is not to deny the importance of the developed world needing to become less obsessed with economic growth and doing everything possible to live in a more sustainable way.
 

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Massive worldwide culture shift incoming? Anti capitalist would be great, but more likely to be religion-based. Which is a scary thought.
 

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Another question is. All this graphs and numbers panting CO2 emissions in China and India should be all accounted to them as per capita or partially should be added to the western per capita? lots of things that we buy are produced in developing countries so we are the cause of those emisions
I think this one includes that

 

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I think this one includes that

So yes. It reinforce that critique that we blame the raise of china and others when there is still a looooot to do at western countries. Also, how fair is asking this developing countries to stop their development based on cheap energy when the west had been doing this for 150 years as heads up. Also to ask them to cap their incipient middle class consumerist aspirations in a capitalist world. Humanity is doomed

Thanks for the graphs. much appreciated
 

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This sounds like a sci-Fi movie where you’re required to have a pass in order to have a child

time for a new bill gates vaccination?