Desert Eagle
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Nothing emotional or kneejerk about thinking ole is a shit manager.Someone who's also fed up with your emotional kneejerk bullshit
Nothing emotional or kneejerk about thinking ole is a shit manager.Someone who's also fed up with your emotional kneejerk bullshit
Nothing emotional or kneejerk about thinking ole is a shit manager.
I can remember people being equally hot and cold about Ferguson. 30 years later, he’s feted as a God at Utd. OGS needs time. In a couple of years time, the view could well be different with us having a few good cup runs and being an established top 4 team. From there, we can build again. No manager on the planet is going to come in and fix us in one season.Nothing emotional or kneejerk about thinking ole is a shit manager.
Knowing Cox, I don't think that's the implication he was going for.Yeah, hard to disagree with this. The manager’s job is to get the squad playing to the best of their ability. If we can’t manage that then it’s basically pointless signing new players.
The only thing I would take issue with about that tweet is the implication that a team could/should never be outplayed by another team with a weaker squad. It happens literally every weekend.
Bollocks comparison. Fergie’s resume before he came through the doors earned him the benefit of the doubt. While results at the time weren’t coming, the players did not look lethargic and disinterested like they do now. Stop saying their names in the same breath it’s embarrassing.I can remember people being equally hot and cold about Ferguson. 30 years later, he’s feted as a God at Utd. OGS needs time. In a couple of years time, the view could well be different with us having a few good cup runs and being an established top 4 team. From there, we can build again. No manager on the planet is going to come in and fix us in one season.
I don't think we can say the players are disinterested under Ole based on one game. I think fitness was a huge factor in yesterday's disaster but generally the players have shown good commitment under Ole.Bollocks comparison. Fergie’s resume before he came through the doors earned him the benefit of the doubt. While results at the time weren’t coming, the players did not look lethargic and disinterested like they do now. Stop saying their names in the same breath it’s embarrassing.
It happens to us a little too often though.Yeah, hard to disagree with this. The manager’s job is to get the squad playing to the best of their ability. If we can’t manage that then it’s basically pointless signing new players.
The only thing I would take issue with about that tweet is the implication that a team could/should never be outplayed by another team with a weaker squad. It happens literally every weekend.
Oh if only I was basing it on one gameI don't think we can say the players are disinterested under Ole based on one game. I think fitness was a huge factor in yesterday's disaster but generally the players have shown good commitment under Ole.
We’ve lost one game and it looked like the ‘Ole Out’ bandwagon is gathering pace. The fact is, this isn’t a one season or even two season fix. Change the manager again and it won’t even be a three season fix. Losing one game doesn’t make Ole a bad manager. He got us to 3rd last year which I thought was a bit of a miracle.Bollocks comparison. Fergie’s resume before he came through the doors earned him the benefit of the doubt. While results at the time weren’t coming, the players did not look lethargic and disinterested like they do now. Stop saying their names in the same breath it’s embarrassing.
Stop this one game nonsense. This is far from the first time the side has looked flat and lethargic. We finished in 3rd but on 66 points in large part because we dropped points against 8 of the 10 bottom 10 sides. How many more seasons does the manager need to fix that? Most seasons 66 points won't get you 5th btw. Bottom line is if he can't motivate his players on a consistent basis, assessing how long it will take to fix the squad is a meaningless activity.We’ve lost one game and it looked like the ‘Ole Out’ bandwagon is gathering pace. The fact is, this isn’t a one season or even two season fix. Change the manager again and it won’t even be a three season fix. Losing one game doesn’t make Ole a bad manager. He got us to 3rd last year which I thought was a bit of a miracle.
You have a good memory if you can remember how the players were performing at that time.Bollocks comparison. Fergie’s resume before he came through the doors earned him the benefit of the doubt. While results at the time weren’t coming, the players did not look lethargic and disinterested like they do now. Stop saying their names in the same breath it’s embarrassing.
We recovered excellently from a miserable position last season but 3rd place was in no way a miracle. I mean, we had something like 66 odd points which is a poor return and in line with LVG, Moyes etc It's just that the completion for top 4 was absolutely useless. He basically did just about enough. Let's not forget that we need a top manager and he has prove that's what he is. Scraping 3rd/4th is not proving himself.We’ve lost one game and it looked like the ‘Ole Out’ bandwagon is gathering pace. The fact is, this isn’t a one season or even two season fix. Change the manager again and it won’t even be a three season fix. Losing one game doesn’t make Ole a bad manager. He got us to 3rd last year which I thought was a bit of a miracle.
There is no excuses for choosing slow and weak player especially in the BPL.We recovered excellently from a miserable position last season but 3rd place was in no way a miracle. I mean, we had something like 66 odd points which is a poor return and in line with LVG, Moyes etc It's just that the completion for top 4 was absolutely useless. He basically did just about enough. Let's not forget that we need a top manager and he has prove that's what he is. Scraping 3rd/4th is not proving himself.
There is zero comparison between Sir Alex and Ole.I can remember people being equally hot and cold about Ferguson. 30 years later, he’s feted as a God at Utd. OGS needs time. In a couple of years time, the view could well be different with us having a few good cup runs and being an established top 4 team. From there, we can build again. No manager on the planet is going to come in and fix us in one season.
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SAF was never a tactical genius, more like an excellent man-manager and a decent tactician.There is zero comparison between Sir Alex and Ole.
The former always was a true leader and a tactical genius.
Ole is neither.
What are our alternatives? Dont like to think about it just after the match but we all know Ole never become the one UTD need.SAF was never a tactical genius, more like an excellent man-manager and a decent tactician.
Ole is far off the pace though, no doubt about it but most managers are when you compare them to a legend.
No. It was far from a miracle. Last season, or the last 9 games were not a typical end of season. And the fact that we finished 3rd needs to be qualified by a very average 66 points.We’ve lost one game and it looked like the ‘Ole Out’ bandwagon is gathering pace. The fact is, this isn’t a one season or even two season fix. Change the manager again and it won’t even be a three season fix. Losing one game doesn’t make Ole a bad manager. He got us to 3rd last year which I thought was a bit of a miracle.
We have a lot of players who have big reputations and have been hyped beyond belief to the extent that the fans now believe the propaganda. We are a team that in a very good day with a fair wind and decent tactics can finish 3rd, but we could just as easily finish 8th. That’s why I think Ole did well with the players we have. He needs another 2 years to get us challenging for the Title.No. It was far from a miracle. Last season, or the last 9 games were not a typical end of season. And the fact that we finished 3rd needs to be qualified by a very average 66 points.
81 points and a 2nd place finish with a much poorer squad was far closer to a miracle.
Thanks for the laugh. We're not challenging anything with him at the wheel. The Europa cup last season was basically served to him on a plate. And he managed to royally fecked it up (not even getting to the final). It was an amazing sight to behold.We have a lot of players who have big reputations and have been hyped beyond belief to the extent that the fans now believe the propaganda. We are a team that in a very good day with a fair wind and decent tactics can finish 3rd, but we could just as easily finish 8th. That’s why I think Ole did well with the players we have. He needs another 2 years to get us challenging for the Title.
There's no substance to your replies other than to be controversial. You started by saying you seen encouraging signs yesterday, the whole team underperformed drastically, maybe you were watching a re-run of a game from years gone by. Then to suggest bringing Jones back into the team is ludicrous considering the mistakes and own goals he contributes. Madness, next you'll want Lingard to have another go paired with Periera ahead of Bruno and Pogba.What? You think that because I suggest that Jones would add some fight to the team and that Smallingnis an improvement on Lindelof I’m a ‘troll’? Dear me. Utd fans aren’t what they used to be.
Oh please shut up, we have had two of the biggest names in the business giving this shithouse a go under Ed. Please remind me how that went. Fecking bullshit this. New manager won't change our terribly run footballing side of this club. Ole has bought what 4 players? 3 first team players and one joker.Tweet
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Oh please shut up, we have had two of the biggest names in the business giving this shithouse a go under Ed. Please remind me how that went. Fecking bullshit this. New manager won't change our terribly run footballing side of this club. Ole has bought what 5 players? 3 first team players and one joker.
There's been four managers since SAF retired, with varying pedigrees/experience/success prior to taking the job, the results are more or less the same. It just doesn't feel like there's an actual answer with just a manager. It's baffling to me that this club is somewhat in the same sort of rudderless funk.What are our alternatives? Dont like to think about it just after the match but we all know Ole never become the one UTD need.
Even Biesla name excites a bit than Ole to be honest.
Yes, his signings deserve lots of praise. He signed 2 record-breaking defenders to solidify the defense, to build from the back or build the foundation or build whatever. They started brightly and then turned to shit. Now we're talking about another expensive defender to patch the leaky defense. Isn't it amazing how all his signings start brightly and soon turn to shit when he has time to coach them properly? Maybe it's time we realize our **** leader is just an inept coach, yah?Oh please shut up, we have had two of the biggest names in the business giving this shithouse a go under Ed. Please remind me how that went. Fecking bullshit this. New manager won't change our terribly run footballing side of this club. Ole has bought what 4 players? 3 first team players and one joker.
There were huge question marks over all four of them when we appointed them.There's been four managers since SAF retired, with varying pedigrees/experience/success prior to taking the job, the results are more or less the same. It just doesn't feel like there's an actual answer with just a manager. It's baffling to me that this club is somewhat in the same sort of rudderless funk.
Not saying Ole is any good but him not being an experienced manager and United needing one is bullshit. We tried two of the biggest names in the game before Ole with the same result it's always the same story. They were all left hanging after some success by Ed and it looks like Ole will follow the same path.Yes, his signings deserve lots of praise. He signed 2 record-breaking defenders to solidify the defense, to build from the back or build the foundation or build whatever. They started brightly and then turned to shit. Now we're talking about another expensive defender to patch the leaky defense. Isn't it amazing how all his signings start brightly and soon turn to shit when he has time to coach them properly? Maybe it's time we realize our **** leader is just an inept coach, yah?
We had 16 efforts on goal against a side who put 11 behind the ball. That wouldn’t have happened under Mourinho. That’s what I mean by ‘encouraging signs’. If we’d have won the game 1-0 but still under performed, most people on here wouldn’t be bleating. However, we lost to a side who we seem to consider to be ‘lesser’, but the fact is that they have taken points off better sides than us over recent years.There's no substance to your replies other than to be controversial. You started by saying you seen encouraging signs yesterday, the whole team underperformed drastically, maybe you were watching a re-run of a game from years gone by. Then to suggest bringing Jones back into the team is ludicrous considering the mistakes and own goals he contributes. Madness, next you'll want Lingard to have another go paired with Periera ahead of Bruno and Pogba.
I believe its one or the other for Bruno or Pogba to play, we should be more compact and protect the defence more and should have started with McT and Fred then bring on Pogba in the last 30 mins.
I also agree with this. The players should give 110% every game, in every training match. Both talent and mentality wise a majority of these guys are not united level. Not their fault they are not world class. Being world class is as much mentality as football ability a lot of the time. No club puts pressure on players like this one, so you got to be tough to play here and thrive. Problem is they have wages that clubs that are their level can’t afford, so what do we do? If they are happy to take a pay cut to move then happy days. move them on.. but that seldom happens. It’s been a problem here since fergie left. Even players you think will be world class here, don’t make it, don’t hit the heights. Crumble. Then it’s hard to shift them because of how expensive they are. Who’s to blame for this?I didn't get a degree in stating that obvious for nothing then.
I do agree with lots of that. But not totally that the players are not good enough. They should be improving. And that is down to the coaches and themselves.
None of them are maximising their abilities and there is plenty of scope for them to develop.
But I believe that it is far too easy for them to just coast along, which is a terrible thing to do at a club that like Manchester United.
Maguire should have stopped Zaha also..James didn't cost us goals did he 3 of 4 defensive starters played and they all looked shit. Shaw and Lindelöf should be worried but sadly I think we won't sign players to take their places.
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