Charlie Foley
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We’re like a shitter version of 01/02 United. Scoring a lot of goals in Europe, goalkeeper committing howlers
Yeah and a pathetic 4/15 points,no wonder we are relying on beating Bayern and needing a draw in the other game. Heard McTominay on MUTV say we will learn from this,oh you mean like the Galatasaray home game and Copenhagen away game where we threw it away.3 in Munchen, 3 in Copenhagen and 3 in Turkey and not a single win
Onana gonna nono. Onono indeed.Gonana
This is the main point, being overshadowed by Onana errors. We have no playing or midfield strategy at all. We cannot control games and are wide, wide open. You can just run through our midfield, time and time again and it's been happening all season.Why do you not just camp out on your 3-1 lead and wait for the inevitable gaps on the counter? Craziness, should have beaten those shit cnuts twice and seen out the game against Copenhagen away.
Drop him.What can the manager do if your GK is behaving like an open dam?
There were encouraging signs, but once again we managed to snatch defeat (well, a draw) from the jaws of victory. It is worrying how much and how easily we let leads go. The game should have been over at 3-1.This draw and potential elimination from the CL doesn’t seem to hurt as much. There are signs of improvement. The weak point in this game was our GK. Our attacking play is actually shaping up nicely.
It's a remarkable achievement, if you think about it.Score 12 and still have a -2 goal difference.
Wasnt he doing well before this game?Drop him.
100% Pellistri - idiotic performanceSounds like a direct go at Martial late on, or potentially McTominay in the first half. He was furious on both occasions.
Any player who's on 300k a week who has any ounce of maturity wouldn't be staying up late playing video games and showing up late for training, half arsing it and wouldn't post shite on social media after being dropped for his behaviour. Would try and do better for the good of the team.Any manager who knows how to manage would have solved the situation with Sanc ho for the good of the team
That is quite true.Wasnt he doing well before this game?
Also a 2-1 lead vs Gala at OT in the final 20 mins.Still can't believe we let 2 goal leads slip away at Copenhagen and gala.
Agree, the guys inconsistent and you need a more consistent player in that position that's why there hard to find good one.. Utd are fecked as ETH has brought him in and he's here to stay until we get another keeper?Last night is all on Onana, you can`t have a goalie performing like that. He may have been statistically performing well recently but for any of us that watch him it is plain to see that his handling is extremely hit and miss and doesn`t inspire any confidence. It is a worry going forward but a team will never compete at the very top and challenge for trophies with a dodgy keeper.
It's something alright.It's a remarkable achievement, if you think about it.
No it isn't! Ultimately he was responsible for letting in two shite free kicks he should be saving, and last night those were the shots that happened to go in. We conceded so many chances and ended up giving away those free kicks from having to desperately get back due to a huge chasm in the middle of the park.Last night is all on Onana, you can`t have a goalie performing like that. He may have been statistically performing well recently but for any of us that watch him it is plain to see that his handling is extremely hit and miss and doesn`t inspire any confidence. It is a worry going forward but a team will never compete at the very top and challenge for trophies with a dodgy keeper.
That was mental, it was so obvious what they would do. Just have someone stand behind them so if they split the ball doesn't go through.1st goal is ridiculous. Two of their guys stand in the middle of our wall and we just let them do it instead of pushing them.
Moyes and Ole are Dutch?How ironic is it that the worse two managers for united post fergie in Europe are both Dutch managers
Really has been a perfect storm.3 in Munchen, 3 in Copenhagen and 3 in Turkey and not a single win
ETH's last season is arguably our best post SAF (top four and a cup, which no one else has done), at worst it is 2nd to Jose's first season.How ironic is it that the worse two managers for united post fergie in Europe are both Dutch managers
1) That's not ironyHow ironic is it that the worse two managers for united post fergie in Europe are both Dutch managers
I'm glad someone else agrees that AWB, Garnacho, Hojlund and Shaw were pretty bad. MEN gave them 7, 8, 6, and 7, respectively and I usually agree with their grades. Very weird.Utter chaos.
To try to take something away from it on the individual player level:
Onana - obviously a disaster game. A real setback after a string of good games that made him look like maybe he was finally settled.
Shaw - not a great performance. Lots of trouble down that flank. He hasn't brought greater stability to the defence so far.
Lindelof - tame game, at the lower end of his normal performance range. Not much in the way of creative passing.
Maguire - Good. He really deserves credit for fixing his game, with at least two new features now being seen regularly over a protracted period: An ability to stand up and break up attacks high on the pitch without making big errors of judgment, and an ability to pass forward quickly and well.
Wan-Bissaka - pronounced problems defensively, and assist aside not that much involved going forward. As it stands, Dalot looks the better option presently.
Amrabat - didn't mess up, but added nothing very useful. Did not strengthen his case for playing time.
McTominay - above his own average, and a good goal, but he is what he is. Not a stabiliser, and his impact is just limited.
Garnacho - another great goal, but as was the case against Everton, not really a lot more over the rest of the game. He's becoming a man of a few golden moments per game, although in this team who can blame him.
Bruno - the best he's been in a while, and finally up to his own high standards. Strong game.
Antony - up to his own low standards, as usual. There just isn't that much positive impact. Considerably less than Rashford, playing on the right.
Højlund - really not much in evidence. I wonder how long the positivity about him will survive - he still gets credit for things like making good runs into the box or making nice layoffs or pressing energetically but then, Wout Weghorst did that too.
Subs;
Pellistri - the usual; hard-working, energetic, ambitious, not much actual end product.
Mainoo - to me he was every bit as good as he was against Everton, though he lost his man on the third Galatasaray goal. Contributed considerably more in 35 minutes than Amrabat did in 65. To me, he's a starter until he plays himself out of that status.
Martial - some positives offensively, but messed up badly on the second goal. Better than most cameos we've seen from him this season, which is a very low bar.
In this day and age it's not about what IQ the players have. Its all about them adhering to set patterns and positioning for defensive and attacking transitions.The in-game IQ is dogshit, yet the team is full of internationals all with experience of semi-finals, finals etc.
No real excuse for why they have no grasp on how or when to slow/control the game for 5-10 minutes.
Who was going to spend 70m on Amrabat?I'm glad someone else agrees that AWB, Garnacho, Hojlund and Shaw were pretty bad. MEN gave them 7, 8, 6, and 7, respectively and I usually agree with their grades. Very weird.
Garnacho plays like hyper 16 year old. There is just no nuance to his game.
AWB and Hojlund played like they were afraid of reinjuring whatever ails them. If that's the case, they should not have started.
Shaw just looked in a daze most of the night.
Amrabat looks to be a slight upgrade to Fred. He just looks so lumbering when he moves and does not have clean feet with the ball like Mainoo. Why were we going to spend 70m for this guy? I just don't understand our transfer decisions.
It’s more annoying that two of their goals came from free kicks.Being 2-0 and 3-1 up and not going on to win the game is just unacceptable. We're too easy to score against. Gutted.
The last price I remember was 60 something so a little more negotiating could have been close to 70m. I might change my mind (doubt it) but I think we dodged one with a loan instead of a purchase.Who was going to spend 70m on Amrabat?
I've never understood why so many pre season kept on the "If we get Amrabat in things will improve" train, as if he was a Prime Carrick. Whenever people can only mainly bring up a players World Cup performances then you have to be careful.
Wasn't it Torreira that upended Lindelof? That should have been a yellow. The head on head foul to Garnacho early on should have been reviewed for possible red. It was clear Gala wanted to get dirty and the ref did not control it like he should have. There must have been at least 20 late fouls on our players from behind.Thinking back on last night - we were bloody unlucky. Onana individually cost us the game but we still should have won it. The other thing that I simply can't understand is how Torreira not only stayed on the pitch, but wasn't even carded? Then we get yellows for innocuous challenges like Amrabat's 50/50.
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