I'm imagining it and no we would not be competing for a title or even top 3. There is a large chasm in talent between and the top 2.
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Liverpool 2:0 Manchester United
Post-match discussion
Sun, 19 January 2020
Surprised? I'm amazed it was only 2! This team is getting worse not better. Check out the points total. The table does not lie. Forget all the hype from Ole..he is out of his depth and we are just wasting more time with him as Manager and Woodward as CEO. Check the facts not the words.
Unfortunately very few fans think like you and I.
Most fans have bought into the idea that we deserve to lose because LFC are better.
This attitude is similar to when a Championship side come to OT and lose. The fans say, "we did well and lost to the better team".
Standards today are the lowest I have seen in the last 20 years. We are rock bottom and while Ole is in charge, I see this getting worse.
Only 2 years ago we finished 2nd ahead of LFC and now it is completely acceptable to get beaten by them.
Last year Jose got sacked, with losing to LFC as the final straw. This season, we have less points and have just lost to LFC....but it's okay?
What the hell is going on?
The fans will say, "we are building for the future". I will say that all teams are building for the future and are not using this as an excuse for failure.
The correct ethos should be to have a manager who is expected to get us moving up the table and show immediate improvements.
I actually expected us to lose today BUT I am not going to say that it's "okay to lose" and that "we showed some fight" (like a minnow who visits a big club and loses), like a lot of posters on this forum are saying.
Keane look like he lost it there. His points didn't make much sense and they got him defending Mourinho which was ridiculous considering how much he slagged him off.
Thanks for that. Ole's pals will say anything to defend him and the club, even if it comes out as utter twaddle.
It was as good as the team was going to play and they lost 0-2. That's the quality on display at the moment. The squad is small and not very good to begin with. Certainly does not get better with the best players out injured.
Don't think Liverpool really got going for a big part of the game but to be honest that's how they've looked all season and it is still enough for them. Hard to lose games when the opposition doesn't score.
Don't think Liverpool really got going for a big part of the game but to be honest that's how they've looked all season and it is still enough for them. Hard to lose games when the opposition doesn't score.
Our coaching is shit, and easy to see, look at the situation of Fred marking Van Dick on a corner, which super brain thought that out?
What does that even mean? Because they tried to get an equaliser in the second half, that’s what losing opponents try to do. In the end we created one big change the entire game. I feel like so many fans on Redcafe watch different games or don’t understand football.
You can control a game without having the ball which is what Liverpool were doing in the second half. At no point were they really under threat by us bar the Martial chance. Alisson didn’t have to make a save all game other than 35 yard attempt right at him.
This. Seems insane to me that Oles getting bashed on here. Even Keane said it was a good effort from them today.
What the hell were people expecting with that 11 away to a team who win every fecking game? Wish people could drop the agendas and give fair assessments.
I posted a vid of some of the exchange on page 9 x
They are just managing expectations. Still what can you expect for £800m! We seem to have the ability to make good players fir other clubs look average when they come to OT. Not looking forward to the City cup tie..it could be a real drubbing. Time we admitted how poor a lot of these players and the Manager are...but we won't.
They have a much better team than us. We're missing 3 of our best players. We had Matic and Pereira in our midfield today.
You can only do your best with the players available. We did that imo. We were in the game until the last kick.
The team is very badly coached, that is on the manager.
Martial was completely lost and totally lacked creativity and execution.
Is the team on the pitch today good enough to dominate and win over Liverpool under another manager? Just answer that honestly
We have spent £800m since Fergie left. It would be hard to imagine a poorer team and manager for that sort of money. We are 30 points behind Liverpool and the season is only just over half way. The club are deliberately managing fans expectations. Next they will convince us it is a miracle that we have avoided relegation! Wake up everybody! This squad and manager are going nowhere fast. Too many overhyped players who will NEVER be good enough.
This is a valid criticism of the coaches. Our set pieces are awful. Both defending them and attacking them. Ole and co need to sort this out.
Other than that they got pretty much everything right today. Tactics were good, TAA and Robertson were barely seen in the game. I thought we'd get spanked but we nearly got a draw.
Do Chelsea give managers time, do Real Madrid give managers time, other clubs sack managers left, right and centre.
Well Said. It is not acceptable. End of.
Fans are being conditioned by feckwit Woodward & the Regime. Enough is enough.
Barring set pieces how is it badly coached?
Did what they could. Conceding on the corner very poor. And no final ball.
Will still win the Europa League though.
Will still win the Europa League though.
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No need to play shoulda woulda coulda game. For every United's missed sitter, Liverpool had 2 or 3 of their own. Finishing was rubbish on both sides but Liverpool clearly dominated.
Scousers could have been annoyed the game was uncomfortable but they seems content. Most wish Ole to not get battered, keep his job and continue the wheeling.
Sidenote to Fred, I still think he's pap. Yes he looks lively, but his long shots were terrible. Wasteful.
Scousers could have been annoyed the game was uncomfortable but they seems content. Most wish Ole to not get battered, keep his job and continue the wheeling.
Sidenote to Fred, I still think he's pap. Yes he looks lively, but his long shots were terrible. Wasteful.
Probably not, but Ole lost his main striker, through his own fault, I would say the same for Pogba as well. Sold a pile of players and did not replace them with the necessary quality. He decided to put all his faith in the likes of Lingard and Pereira who are not good enough, neither is Dalot. His two most expensive signings do not look too great, although I suspect both are playing with knocks. His cheapest signing is starting unfortunately to look just that. He decided to have this thin squad so is overplaying some of his players to the detriment of their wellbeing.
Well said Paddy.
I’m a bit annoyed with the corners. It’s been too many times where they put a relatively physically weak player like Williams or AWB to stop a strong player’s run and then Maguire and Lindelof waiting on the line to clear the ball. Clearly the tactics don’t work. Maguire can’t defend an aerial if the opponent had a run through the defence and comes with pace. VvD is probably the best in the world at scoring goals at corners. It’s not rocket science. Put one extra man in him or at least do something.
Ole didn't spend the 800 million. He's signed 3 players with a net spend of 70m.
Glazers are fecking him over. And fecking us over.
One of the most sensible posts I seen in a long time.
Yes this is a point that I have made earlier on. I was surprised that individually most of our players were able to go toe to toe with them. Collectively we failed. Only an imbecile would get Fred or Williams to mark Van Dijk. Now lets put in perspective. Supposed he did not score that goal? Also in that respect of zonal marking Van Dijk can be in any players zone. It could be Fred's or even Mata's.
Set pieces need to be practiced. Both in an attacking and defending perspective. Honestly I really do not understand what the coaches are doing in training? I am not saying Ole only but the whole team. My gut feeling is that they have been very cocooned in their fields which is not new to British football. Ole needs help from his coaches and I feel that he is also not getting it or if he is then he is not accepting it but I think it is the former.
Non British coaches are well read and well educated so they just do not accept what is the flavour of the season. It looks like because City is doing zonal marking everyone thinks it is great. But we do not have anyone who can head the ball apart from Maguire and Lindelof. So it is utter madness to do zonal marking.
You give this team to a good coach and we probably would have won today.
I hope so much you are right mate
5th in the league and still in all cup competitions despite our threadbare, injury hit squad, but we've "hit rock bottom".
Sensible.
Theyback managers in the transfer window. You need players to win matches.
Also the fact Chelsea are 4th and have a transfer embargo. He’s had to work with what he had and probably about where he should be with that squad. It’s nothing to do with him being English.
De Gea - Got booked because the referee doesn't know the rules to a game of football.
Bissaka - Struggled a bit with our weird formation, but then so did I...in that I still can't figure out what our formation actually was. Was Bissaka supposed to be in a back 4 or back 5?
Maguire - Last 5 minutes...time to send the big centre half up to, erm...stand outside the opposition box passing it to the wing but then not actually getting in the box?
Lindelof - Where did he keep going? Balls kept coming into the box and Luke Shaw would be the only centreback there, and I'm not sure if he was supposed to be at centreback or just covering because our actual ones had disappeared? Where do they go?
Shaw - What position was he playing in? Why does he always forget he isn't playing Rugby at around the 70th minute? Why did he clear one cross by spinning around in a circle mid air and booting it across his own goal, instead of just using his other foot?
Williams - Where was he meant to be playing?
Matic - Good at keeping the ball, and booting people in the face.
Fred - Good at, well everything to be fair.
Pereira - If you hadn't seen the team sheet you'd have probably just presumed Lingard was playing somewhere.
James - Did some good fast running. Running fast man.
Martial - Mate, if you can't hit the target from 7 yards, don't then with the next attack ignore your open team mates to try and score from 40 yards.
Subs:
Greenwood - Didn't have a chance to do much. Briefly joined in the poor crossing parade
Mata - Best attacking pass he played was to a Liverpool player
Dalot - I like him, but one thing he probably isn't is a left footed winger.
Corners - We're literally better at defending our own corners than we are at defending the other team's. Honestly if I was in charge of this club I'd be sacking people for this by now. It's ridiculous.
The ref - Was it Souness in disguise?
Souness - He's the only Liverpool fan on earth who has inexplicably become more bitter and full of shite now that they are actually good again.
Ole - Sort out our fecking corners. Seriously. You watch our games and aren't under 6 years old. You can see it's a massive problem.
Bissaka - Struggled a bit with our weird formation, but then so did I...in that I still can't figure out what our formation actually was. Was Bissaka supposed to be in a back 4 or back 5?
Maguire - Last 5 minutes...time to send the big centre half up to, erm...stand outside the opposition box passing it to the wing but then not actually getting in the box?
Lindelof - Where did he keep going? Balls kept coming into the box and Luke Shaw would be the only centreback there, and I'm not sure if he was supposed to be at centreback or just covering because our actual ones had disappeared? Where do they go?
Shaw - What position was he playing in? Why does he always forget he isn't playing Rugby at around the 70th minute? Why did he clear one cross by spinning around in a circle mid air and booting it across his own goal, instead of just using his other foot?
Williams - Where was he meant to be playing?
Matic - Good at keeping the ball, and booting people in the face.
Fred - Good at, well everything to be fair.
Pereira - If you hadn't seen the team sheet you'd have probably just presumed Lingard was playing somewhere.
James - Did some good fast running. Running fast man.
Martial - Mate, if you can't hit the target from 7 yards, don't then with the next attack ignore your open team mates to try and score from 40 yards.
Subs:
Greenwood - Didn't have a chance to do much. Briefly joined in the poor crossing parade
Mata - Best attacking pass he played was to a Liverpool player
Dalot - I like him, but one thing he probably isn't is a left footed winger.
Corners - We're literally better at defending our own corners than we are at defending the other team's. Honestly if I was in charge of this club I'd be sacking people for this by now. It's ridiculous.
The ref - Was it Souness in disguise?
Souness - He's the only Liverpool fan on earth who has inexplicably become more bitter and full of shite now that they are actually good again.
Ole - Sort out our fecking corners. Seriously. You watch our games and aren't under 6 years old. You can see it's a massive problem.
My thoughts on the game:
Loved United's spirit, we kept fighting until the end against brilliant opponents
Love Brandon Williams, he plays without fear and is brilliant to watch. Surprised he was pulled off. Love his mentality, his spirit, attitude, running about, closing down, making himself available and recycling the ball well.
Fred was immense and grew a lot in the game. Never stopped running, he played without fear, the only negative was his shooting, but in a game like that it was a great performance. Didn't much help from Matic, who's a yard off the pace of the game.
Shaw needs to feck off from this club. Laborious, slow of body, slow of mind, just never offers anything going forward and it's a passenger on the side. Pulling his hamstring the only time the coaching staff asked him to cross the halfway line epitomizes his tenure at the club - not good enough, not athletic enough, not brave enough and questionable fitness.
Pereira tries his heart, so can't fault him for that, but his quality is not Man Utd quality. Quality on the ball, when he receives the ball, what he does with ball, passing, shooting - all below average. Should have scored on the first half if he went with his left as opposed to right foot. Still, not going to be too harsh on the lad, because he tried his heart out.
Maguire/Lindelof/AWB - too slow on the ball, and when they recycle the ball it seems like they do everything at 1/2x speed. Especially when Liverpool were pinning us in our area at the beginning of the second, they just kept giving the ball away in dangerous positions. Just boot it out to touch, get organized, put men behind the ball and weather the storm. Instead we get overrun time and time again 30 yards from our goal, exposing De Gea needlessly. For Van Dijk's goal, Lindelof didn't even jump which is criminal. Try to obstruct the view or make it difficult for Van Dijk - rather than just let him get a free run on the ball. Also on the Firmino disallowed goal, why is Lindelof dithering on the ball after it bounced to him, just fecking clear it. Lindelof is not an instinctive player, and doesn't have the street smarts that some of best CB do need to have. Sergio Ramos would have booted the ball and then complained ad nauseum to the referee for the foul on De Gea, Victor just froze. Needs to eventually move on.
Dan James was a non-factor throughout, rarely on the ball - and when is, delivery/final ball is poor.
Martial is the kind of player that needs touches on the ball, he's not Icardi that can stay anonymous for 89 minutes will score on the only touch he gets. He created a great chance that he should have scored, but overall he was subdued.
De Gea had a good game, made some really smart saves, not sure he could do anything on the first goal, might have done better on the second, but overall good.
We played without 3 starters in Rashford, Pogba and McSauce. It's clear that we need better options in midfield and RW - nothing that we didn't know in the summer. Just hope the board pull their finger from their ass and get us the required personnel. Not going to hold my breath though...
Loved United's spirit, we kept fighting until the end against brilliant opponents
Love Brandon Williams, he plays without fear and is brilliant to watch. Surprised he was pulled off. Love his mentality, his spirit, attitude, running about, closing down, making himself available and recycling the ball well.
Fred was immense and grew a lot in the game. Never stopped running, he played without fear, the only negative was his shooting, but in a game like that it was a great performance. Didn't much help from Matic, who's a yard off the pace of the game.
Shaw needs to feck off from this club. Laborious, slow of body, slow of mind, just never offers anything going forward and it's a passenger on the side. Pulling his hamstring the only time the coaching staff asked him to cross the halfway line epitomizes his tenure at the club - not good enough, not athletic enough, not brave enough and questionable fitness.
Pereira tries his heart, so can't fault him for that, but his quality is not Man Utd quality. Quality on the ball, when he receives the ball, what he does with ball, passing, shooting - all below average. Should have scored on the first half if he went with his left as opposed to right foot. Still, not going to be too harsh on the lad, because he tried his heart out.
Maguire/Lindelof/AWB - too slow on the ball, and when they recycle the ball it seems like they do everything at 1/2x speed. Especially when Liverpool were pinning us in our area at the beginning of the second, they just kept giving the ball away in dangerous positions. Just boot it out to touch, get organized, put men behind the ball and weather the storm. Instead we get overrun time and time again 30 yards from our goal, exposing De Gea needlessly. For Van Dijk's goal, Lindelof didn't even jump which is criminal. Try to obstruct the view or make it difficult for Van Dijk - rather than just let him get a free run on the ball. Also on the Firmino disallowed goal, why is Lindelof dithering on the ball after it bounced to him, just fecking clear it. Lindelof is not an instinctive player, and doesn't have the street smarts that some of best CB do need to have. Sergio Ramos would have booted the ball and then complained ad nauseum to the referee for the foul on De Gea, Victor just froze. Needs to eventually move on.
Dan James was a non-factor throughout, rarely on the ball - and when is, delivery/final ball is poor.
Martial is the kind of player that needs touches on the ball, he's not Icardi that can stay anonymous for 89 minutes will score on the only touch he gets. He created a great chance that he should have scored, but overall he was subdued.
De Gea had a good game, made some really smart saves, not sure he could do anything on the first goal, might have done better on the second, but overall good.
We played without 3 starters in Rashford, Pogba and McSauce. It's clear that we need better options in midfield and RW - nothing that we didn't know in the summer. Just hope the board pull their finger from their ass and get us the required personnel. Not going to hold my breath though...
I'm not happy we lost. We should never be happy to lose. Martial should have scored, he didn't. Ole is too happy to constantly give them pats on the back.
Completely expected. We are so shit, they are leagues better than us
They had two years to prepare for the ban and the season before he came, they spent 200m on players, 70m or so on Kepa alone.
I agree he needed players, but he is so desperate to keep this job he goes along with it. We have lost two of our best players through preventable injuries. I am waiting for the usual could not buy the players we want excuse.
Man of the Match
Runners-up
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6%
David de Gea
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4%
Nemanja Matic
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3%
Luke Shaw
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2%
Brandon Williams
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1%
Victor Lindelof
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1%
Juan Mata
Player Ratings
Total Average Rating
Highest Rated Player
Lowest Rated Player
Compiled from 318 ratings.
Score Predictions
95,197,48
- Man Utd win
- Liverpool win
- Draw
Detailed Results
- 15% Liverpool 2:0 Man Utd
- 12% Liverpool 1:2 Man Utd
- 11% Liverpool 3:0 Man Utd
- 10% Liverpool 1:1 Man Utd
- 9% Liverpool 3:1 Man Utd
- 8% Liverpool 4:0 Man Utd
- 7% Liverpool 0:1 Man Utd
- 7% Liverpool 2:1 Man Utd
- 4% Liverpool 5:0 Man Utd
- 4% Liverpool 0:2 Man Utd
- 3% Liverpool 1:0 Man Utd
- 3% Liverpool 2:2 Man Utd
- 2% Liverpool 0:3 Man Utd
- 1% Liverpool 4:1 Man Utd
- 1% Liverpool 0:0 Man Utd
- 1% Liverpool 0:5 Man Utd
- 1% Liverpool 0:4 Man Utd
- 1% Liverpool 2:3 Man Utd
- 0% Liverpool 2:4 Man Utd
- 0% Liverpool 5:1 Man Utd
- 0% Liverpool 1:3 Man Utd
- 0% Liverpool 3:3 Man Utd
Match Stats
- Liverpool
- Man Utd
- Possession
- 53% 47%
- Shots
- 16 9
- Shots on Target
- 5 4
- Corners
- 11 5
- Fouls
- 7 10
Referee
Craig Pawson
Man Utd Lineup
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replaced by Mason Greenwood
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replaced by Juan Mata
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