But about 595 of those clubs have no realistic alternative aside from an Abramovich/Sheikh Mansour deus ex machina. United however have almost unparalleled wealth and, until very recently, relentless success. And yet we are still managing to feck it up - not as in "not as good as Barcelona", not even as in "not as good as City", but as in "not as good as West Ham" and knocked out of the Champions League behind PSV (after buying their best player). We have the resources to be one of the top 4 clubs in world football and are scrambling for a top 6 finish in England (following finishes of 4th and 7th).
FA D FA Cup Quarter-Final
Manchester United 1:1 West Ham United
Post-match discussion
Sun, 13 March 2016
We played better than against Liverpool, but it still looked like two evenly matched sides - which says it all actually
Another fixture added to our congested time table, but it should be our priority. We not out of it yet, the hammers have been better on the road all season. That being said, we are disgusting away from home.
On a side note: I am convinced LVG will be with us till the end of the season at least. Wishing that our team loses so that he gets fired immediately is very shortsighted
Another fixture added to our congested time table, but it should be our priority. We not out of it yet, the hammers have been better on the road all season. That being said, we are disgusting away from home.
On a side note: I am convinced LVG will be with us till the end of the season at least. Wishing that our team loses so that he gets fired immediately is very shortsighted
Hey...as an older supporter during the 70's/80's I had twenty years of it. So the Fergie era, which I'm so happy I've been alive for was just euphoric, much like the Liverpool supporters felt during those decades. I will never forget it. We have had such a bloody brilliant time and now we are having to re-invent ourselves. There will never ever be a manager like Fergie...never, the football world has changed too much to allow it to happen with the money involved. Clubs will now have sporadic success, a succession of sacked managers to try to find it and a load of fans disappointed along the way. It's the way it's gone. To be honest, the old feeling of supporting a club now lies in the the league one/two leagues, even Salford!
Finally been forced to go back to the 433 of last season with one deep. It's so much better than 4411 and it just works. Undoudtably go back to shit on Thursday.
We set out negatively playing Fellaini, should have Herrera more advanced, yet again the manager is full of contradictions, Rojo and Fellaini go straight back into the team after injury with no "match rhythm" which has been part of his "philosophy" probably because he feels they need to but does he not trust the youths like he says he does. People may argue we could do with Fellaini in there as west ham are physical, what about Blind at CB, against carroll ffs, that is is 3rd choice position, he is not a CB. Rojo is a CB, not a LB. It is negative and confusing, the home win against ars was the most enjoyable game of his tenure for me, it was done with the youths, ars went into the game as major title contenders and we did them with some swagger, why not stick with that enthusiasm.
That smile, ear to ear grin, as he shook hands and walked away wuth Slavic was the worst scene of the day. The fecker was ecstatic with the draw.
I experienced a fair bit of the wilderness years too and I certainly don't expect a repeat of 1993 to 2013 - as you say, we were blessed with an absolute one off. However, I didn't expect to be finishing 6th and 7th, certainly not with modern football economics. I'd got used to the idea of United as a "superclub" (with all the tacky commercialism that implies) and made my peace with it, even though it bore little resemblance to the club I grew up supporting. But now we have the worst of both worlds - revenue streams maxed out to the point where we're about to overtake Real Madrid while the team is a million miles off the pace and (unlike under Big Ron) dull as dishwater. Maybe Salford City it is....
Aye, dive all day long. I'm actually amazed at how much it's getting mentioned in the various media post-match analyses as "West Ham denied a penalty". The angle in front of them looks like contact but when you see if from behind/the side, it's absolutely clear he trails his foot and then flicks it to go down as the challenge comes in.
The fact that Atkinson doesn't give a penalty means he also sees it as a dive. There is no other possible scenario in which that isn't a penalty unless the player has dived. How, therefore, he doesn't give him his marching orders is a massive error. Not even a case of interpreting the challenge incorrectly; he sees it as a dive and still doesn't issue a card.
But, of course, we can have a massive analysis over Schwinsteiger who gets bundled into the West Ham keeper by a West Ham defender! How people can see a player getting pushed into another player as a free kick against the player who was pushed is beyond me.
You also saw that none of Carrick, Herrera or Fellani made efforts to go past the front line, so we ended up having to go backwards or sideways. I was pleased that Rojo and Varela did their best to support the attack, but we need more from the midfield.
Spot on! Still no replay of Carroll kicking out either...well, they started to show the replay then cut it short for some reason.
Should of just went to extra time.
I think you answer your own question - this will hurt United's demographic in the future. Those that we attracted in the 90s and 00s will stay with United but the younger generation will look elsewhere unless things improve rapidly.
We looked a threat going forward, but unfortunately most the match we just passed the ball sideways and backwards. I wish we got the win today because it's going to be tough at their ground.
I thought it was a decent enough cup tie myself. West Ham are no mugs and that free kick was sublime - he's a lovely player. We just lack quality all over the pitch bar in goal - so many poor passes, too many touches taken, players turning back to look for a pass as first option (yes you Carrick) But that's what we've had all season really. Big positve for me is Rashford. Looks like he has good feet and he was generally taking the right optons today. I think we have a bot of gold there.
Its fine. Everything is fine. Just peachy. Fantastic.
I think you're on the edge of a breakdown mate. Best just take some deep breaths. It wasn't a great performance really. Pretty much on par with the rest of the season and substandard by last season.
Best not think about what Sir Alex would have done.
I said everything was fine. It was. 1-1. Replay. Its good. We're good. All is well. I'm happppyyyy
Anyone know the date of the replay? Fixtures not looking great, even before this:
Liverpool
FA replay
City (move for replay?)
Everton
Europa 1/4s - yeah right
Spurs
Europa 1/4s - yeah right
Villa
FA Semi if we make it
Leicester
Liverpool
FA replay
City (move for replay?)
Everton
Europa 1/4s - yeah right
Spurs
Europa 1/4s - yeah right
Villa
FA Semi if we make it
Leicester
Get yer coat. Its time to go.
On the plus side, the draw gives us one more match to freeze out Janujaz and Pereira to teach them a lesson.
Replay won't be for ages. Assuming we're knocked out of the Europa league it should fit in on something like the 6th April. If we somehow qualify it wouldn't fit in until 19/20th April
It'll be a midweek game imo. Can't see them moving the derby.
If we get past the dippers, it could be Wed 20th then play the semi final on 24th?
If we don't get past the dippers, it will likely be Wed 6th/13th.
I think we all knew that West Ham were going to be pretty tough to beat even at OT, so today's result isn't that much of a shock. I think I had a 1-1 result, a lucky guess, but I never saw us winning this match handily as we should.
Disappointments for me:
Starting Fellaini. He's dreadful and it boggles the mind that LVG continues to play him.
Relying too heavily on two defensive midfielders. We're getting, well, hammered by lesser teams on set pieces, not open play. There's no need to be so defensive when defending in open play isn't our problem.
Not giving Januzaj and Pereira a chance. They're not the magic bullet, but they've earned the right to play in games like this.
Misusing Blind. Blind has done well for most of the season in an unnatural position, but with Rojo and Darmian back why not use Blind as a left sided midfielder instead of a CB? Hell, we could even use him as a second defensive mid if a 4231 formation is absolutely critical.
Lack of intensity. Nothing new here and I'm sure fatigue is setting in with players like Blind who's played almost every match this season and Carrick, who's old now, but the "philosophy" has robbed the players of their will to fight. They're more interested in pointless sideways passes than creating chances on goal.
Disappointments for me:
Starting Fellaini. He's dreadful and it boggles the mind that LVG continues to play him.
Relying too heavily on two defensive midfielders. We're getting, well, hammered by lesser teams on set pieces, not open play. There's no need to be so defensive when defending in open play isn't our problem.
Not giving Januzaj and Pereira a chance. They're not the magic bullet, but they've earned the right to play in games like this.
Misusing Blind. Blind has done well for most of the season in an unnatural position, but with Rojo and Darmian back why not use Blind as a left sided midfielder instead of a CB? Hell, we could even use him as a second defensive mid if a 4231 formation is absolutely critical.
Lack of intensity. Nothing new here and I'm sure fatigue is setting in with players like Blind who's played almost every match this season and Carrick, who's old now, but the "philosophy" has robbed the players of their will to fight. They're more interested in pointless sideways passes than creating chances on goal.
Fun game between two evenly matched sides. Disappointed with Fellaini starting, but at least we saw a return to the 4-3-3 with Carrick, Felli, and Ander which worked pretty well last season.
We will have a tough time at Boleyn Ground though.
We will have a tough time at Boleyn Ground though.
Such a sad post.
Last ever Fa Cup game at Upton park, their crowd will be up for it and I can see them going at us from the off.
They are a better team that us at the moment, so itll be a tough one.
They are a better team that us at the moment, so itll be a tough one.
What is Fellaini's position when he plays? One minute he's the furthest player forwards even though we have the ball in the centre circle, the next one of our centrebacks can't make a pass out from the back because Fellaini crops up literally standing in the way of the ball. He appears everywhere except for in fecking midfield. Instead of having eleven players, we have ten players and a random idiot who if you took the United shirt off him no one would be able to figure out what team he's on.
How come Van Gaal is reluctant to play someone like Herrera as a second midfielder because they're not disciplined enough, but is happy to basically play no one there instead? He's done it pretty much the whole of last season and now also for significant amounts of this one.
Depay is the only footballer I've seen who insists on trying to beat a defender even when there isn't a defender there to beat. Worse, he somehow manages to fail to do it.
Schweinsteiger's had loads of criticism on here, but the theme this season is that when he is on the pitch, we have a midfield in between our defence and our attack, when he isn't, we just have a bunch of players running about.
What was the BT commentator on about? Every time I started listening he just seemed to be blurting out random words that had nothing to do with anything "Midget land...undefeated...New Zealand...his mum wouldn't let him" What? At another point he was on about Carlos Tevez scoring for West Ham against his old club? Then he claimed Martial had played well apart from his goal? Near the end I caught "but that was way oout in the Indian Ocean" ...what first half of this sentence could possibly have made it relevant in any way? It was worse than playing a game of PES.
Atkinson is a terrible referee but more worrying is Howard Webb with the aid of television replays, not being able to tell what a dive is and not being able to spot (or choosing to deliberately ignore) Schweinsteiger being pushed into the keeper...imagine if Atkinson had gone to a video ref for that Payet penalty incident, and the replay was shown to everyone, and then it came up "penalty"...players would leave the pitch in protest and there'd be an actual riot. What an imbecile...this guy used to be a referee remember.
How come Van Gaal is reluctant to play someone like Herrera as a second midfielder because they're not disciplined enough, but is happy to basically play no one there instead? He's done it pretty much the whole of last season and now also for significant amounts of this one.
Depay is the only footballer I've seen who insists on trying to beat a defender even when there isn't a defender there to beat. Worse, he somehow manages to fail to do it.
Schweinsteiger's had loads of criticism on here, but the theme this season is that when he is on the pitch, we have a midfield in between our defence and our attack, when he isn't, we just have a bunch of players running about.
What was the BT commentator on about? Every time I started listening he just seemed to be blurting out random words that had nothing to do with anything "Midget land...undefeated...New Zealand...his mum wouldn't let him" What? At another point he was on about Carlos Tevez scoring for West Ham against his old club? Then he claimed Martial had played well apart from his goal? Near the end I caught "but that was way oout in the Indian Ocean" ...what first half of this sentence could possibly have made it relevant in any way? It was worse than playing a game of PES.
Atkinson is a terrible referee but more worrying is Howard Webb with the aid of television replays, not being able to tell what a dive is and not being able to spot (or choosing to deliberately ignore) Schweinsteiger being pushed into the keeper...imagine if Atkinson had gone to a video ref for that Payet penalty incident, and the replay was shown to everyone, and then it came up "penalty"...players would leave the pitch in protest and there'd be an actual riot. What an imbecile...this guy used to be a referee remember.
I don't think it's anything to do with tiredness with those two. Carrick's been way too slow in possession for years now, and an entire half time break could occur in the time it sometimes takes Blind to decide to play a five yard pass to the person next to him.
What a chance to win the FA Cup.
But we all know we're going to feck it up.
Nice ring to it, no?
But we all know we're going to feck it up.
Nice ring to it, no?
Just enough. Only just.
Yes, Webb was absolutely shocking. I was baffled when he kept repeating there was contact at their penalty shout when the replay clearly showed the opposite and then his comments about the Schweinsteiger incident made my blood boil. Especially as both Darke and Owen started basically sucking his cock live on TV.
Fellaini just doesn't resemble an actual, genuine footballer sometimes.
He also seemed bafflingly unaware that Payet was on a yellow card and that Atkinson should probably have sent him off if he thought it was a dive (which it very obviously was).
It's just concerning that this is coming from someone who was a referee. You hear all this about the pace of the game and players making it difficult for refs, but then you've got Howard Webb, former head ref, demonstrating beyond any doubt that he is not fit to referee a football game, or even tell the truth about what he sees WHILE a slow motion replay of it is being shown to everyone listening to him....and he genuinely missed the foul on Scheinsteiger. It was literally in the centre of the screen on the replay he kept showing.
I was just laughing at it, because I was imagining him being an actual video ref and giving these decisions, while replays were shown to the croud and everyone watching. There'd be corruption investigations and all sorts...yet this same person refereed a world cup final
...it tells you a lot.Sports llike rugby aren't better officiating wise because they have video refs. They're better because the people refereeing are much less shite at it.
Schweinsteiger man of the match for me (despite only being on the pitch for about 15 mins) - completely lifted the team, and actually tried to pass the ball forward and get some rhythm going, rather than just trying to win heads and perpetually trying to get his bearings (Fellaini).
In what way?
One game at a time, we're still in the FA cup alongside Watford, Everton, Palace & West Ham.
I think this should be our highest priority.
I think this should be our highest priority.
When will we find out the date of the replay?
I thought where was Zarate, and i just saw him score for Fiorentina at the weekend. Didnt know he plays there now.
Anyway, we are shite and will lose at the Upton Park.
Anyway, we are shite and will lose at the Upton Park.
Was it a dive? Webbo said it should have been a pen
When's the FA Cup semi final draw?
Tomorrow on TV at 7.20pm
Man of the Match
Runners-up
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22%
David de Gea
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10%
Guillermo Varela
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10%
Ander Herrera
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7%
Bastian Schweinsteiger
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3%
Chris Smalling
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1%
Marouane Fellaini
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1%
Daley Blind
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1%
Marcos Rojo
Player Ratings
Total Average Rating
Highest Rated Player
Lowest Rated Player
Compiled from 400 ratings.
Score Predictions
162,312,83
- Man Utd win
- West Ham win
- Draw
Detailed Results
- 15% Man Utd 0:2 West Ham
- 14% Man Utd 1:2 West Ham
- 12% Man Utd 2:1 West Ham
- 10% Man Utd 0:1 West Ham
- 9% Man Utd 1:1 West Ham
- 8% Man Utd 0:5 West Ham
- 7% Man Utd 1:0 West Ham
- 5% Man Utd 0:0 West Ham
- 4% Man Utd 2:0 West Ham
- 4% Man Utd 1:3 West Ham
- 4% Man Utd 0:3 West Ham
- 2% Man Utd 3:0 West Ham
- 2% Man Utd 3:1 West Ham
- 1% Man Utd 5:0 West Ham
- 1% Man Utd 3:2 West Ham
- 1% Man Utd 2:2 West Ham
- 1% Man Utd 0:4 West Ham
- 0% Man Utd 4:0 West Ham
- 0% Man Utd 4:2 West Ham
- 0% Man Utd 4:3 West Ham
- 0% Man Utd 5:2 West Ham
- 0% Man Utd 1:4 West Ham
- 0% Man Utd 5:5 West Ham
- 0% Man Utd 4:1 West Ham
Match Stats
- Man Utd
- West Ham
- Possession
- 61% 39%
- Shots
- 18 12
- Shots on Target
- 2 3
- Corners
- 7 4
- Fouls
- 10 11
Referee
Martin Atkinson
Man Utd Lineup
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replaced by Matteo Darmian
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replaced by Bastian Schweinsteiger
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replaced by Memphis Depay
