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Pre Premier League Draft - Quarter Finals - BeforeKeane vs. Enigma/TRV

Who would win in the following draft game with all players at their peak?


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The Red Viper

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I did comment on this combo last game too. I consider them well rounded CMs. It's like playing a Gerrard/Lampard combo as a midfield base in a 4-2-3-1. Nothing wrong, but not really ideal either.
I don't think Gerrard and Lampard are the apt comparisons, EAP.

Gerrard and Lampard thrived as attacking midfielder in their careers. Their best was when they had two deeper midfielders behind them.

Now compare it to Ardiles who often played in the two-man central midfield, a lot of them where Hoddle was his midfield partner.

As for Thijssen, while played in a 3-man midfield, he was the CM in the team. Muhren was the most advanced midfielder in that three man midfield with Wark as the holding midfielder.

Now, would a more defensive minded midfielder be a more ideal option?

Sure. But, would the midfield get dominated because of that? I don't buy it.

Like I said earlier, BKTWR has a very good team and a quality midfield. I agree that his midfield is slightly better than us.

But leaving the midfield aside, I don't see any other area where he is better than us.
 

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Still undecided on this one. Tight as anything.

  • Grobbelaar edges Leighton. Forget the clowning, you don't win leagues and European Cups with a poor goalie while poor Jim had his chance for us and was dropped
  • Oppo didn't have anywhere the number of seasons that meet this draft criteria
  • Very few oppo players did it at the top top level - deciding leagues, European finals. Mine did?
Very good goalie, four absolute legends for their club, a super midfield, an excellent/versatile forward and attacking threats from all area of the patch.
To be fair to Leighton his body of work for Aberdeen was very good. But you're right, bombscare at United though and for Scotland I always feared he had a mistake in him.
I can understand where you are coming from mate, and fair points, but not necessarily agree on his midfield is suited to the gameplan that is on the table.

Thijssen, Brady and Ardiles played in that era against tough midfielders and they fared pretty well. Take that Ipswich side - neither Wark nor Muhren are more well built than Ardiles and Brady and they fared pretty well against even more physical midfield with Souness in there.

Also Hunter individually IMO is better than either of the opposition CB's and has won POTY award for that Leeds campaign when he was absolutely rock solid. Of course feel free to disagree as the margins aren't that big, but of course in a game with fine margins and all :)
Fair points on the midfield contest. I wouldn't necessarily agree with that position though as Todd and O'Leary were both class and read the game very well (which is just as well against Lineker). And to be honest the elusive McClair isn't a great fit for Hunter, as he would normally excel against the more bruising target man type from what I've seen of him (to be fair he might muscle up well to the onrushing Robbo).
 

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England’s Greatest Striker: Gary Lineker

Centre forwards will always be seen as the talisman. They are players whose job it is to put the ball in the back of the net and with that comes more glory and adulation than any other individual on the pitch, as well as greater scrutiny and criticism, whether we like it or not.

The striker can become a hero in an instant or a villain in a heartbeat and more often than not is the player we all dream of being when we are having a kick about in the street, park or for our local sides. Whether it’s the foraging No.9, whose job is to pounce on any potential opportunity that comes his way, thriving on any chance they can capitalise on, or maybe the more creative No.10 who is seen as the conductor or the hard-working provider for the front line – we all have our favourites both now and in the past.

You may not agree with the players on our list and you may feel your favourite striker is not represented; but what you can’t deny is that these five English strikers are all natural born goal scorers who have gone down in folklore for their undeniable ability to find the back of the net at a frightening rate, for club, for country, or both.

Gary Lineker
Date of Birth: 30 November 1960

Place of Birth: Leicester

Clubs played for: Leicester City, Everton, Barcelona, Tottenham Hotspur, Nagoya Grampus Eight

Appearances: 567

Goals: 281

To most young football fans nowadays, Gary Lineker is renowned for his hosting Match of the Day every Saturday night. Well, that and the crisp adverts. But to those of an older persuasion, he also represents striking excellence.

Before punditry and marketing and his maintaining a vibrant social media presence, Lineker was a striker of the highest quality. His goal scoring exploits took him to Catalonia and Japan as he won titles abroad, but regardless of his changes in location, his productivity never wavered.

While at school, one of his teachers had written on a report card that he spent too much time focusing on football, a pastime that would not enable him to earn a living. Fortunately, Lineker paid no attention, going on to become one of the finest strikers of his generation, and the best English striker of all time.

Style
Lineker was an English striker who veered far from convention. He wasn’t particularly physical, and his shots weren’t laced with power. Instead, he relied upon his technical and mental characteristics to find the net. He was, quintessentially, brain over brawn.

Often found lingering on the shoulder of the last man, his positional sense and concentration were second to none. As a result he was able to find space in even the tightest of penalty boxes; getting on the end of crosses to bag innumerable tap-ins, his job may have seemed easy, but that’s only because he made it look so.

An opportunist with a sophisticated touch, Lineker was nimble, fast of thought and foot, and an unerringly precise finisher. One chance was all he needed, and his ability to deceive defences to create room for those chances saw him aptly earn the nickname ‘El Matador’ during his time playing for Barcelona.



Achievements
Lineker came through Leicester’s youth academy, making his first-team debut for the club at the age of 19 while they were still in the second division. He began to play a more important role in the 1979-80 season, scoring three league goals to help the Foxes to promotion, but it wasn’t until the club had been relegated once again that he imposed himself as a regular.

1981-82 was Lineker’s breakout year. He bagged 17 goals in 39 league games, showcasing a burgeoning knack for being in the right place at the right time. The next season he once again helped Leicester to promotion, only this time he was fundamental rather than a mere squad player. And, over the next two seasons, he would score 46 goals in 80 outings before moving on to reigning champions Everton in an £800,000 deal.

His time with the Toffees was brief but beautiful; Lineker thrived atop a winning team, adding extra pace and guile to Howard Kendall’s side. Following his retirement from the game Lineker would retain an affinity for the club on account of his enjoyable year on Merseyside, a year that included his topping the scoring charts with 30 goals to his name.

However, silverware eluded him and, after winning the Golden Boot at the 1986 World Cup, he moved on to La Liga giants Barcelona for a fee of £2.8million. The move abroad also allowed him a chance to perform on the continental stage, with English clubs banned from European competition following the Heysel disaster.

Lineker’s intelligence helped him on and off the pitch in Catalonia. He adapted to the culture with comfort, learning the language so as to communicate effectively with his team-mates. An incredibly headstrong individual, he was primed for the challenge of playing in foreign climes and he would adapt instantly to the Spanish game, bulging the net 20 times in 41 league appearances in his maiden campaign.

In his second term he hit double figures once again, helping Barcelona to victory in the Copa del Rey, however the arrival of Johann Cruyff as manager saw him fielded on the right wing, a position he was unused to and not delighted to fulfil.

A return to English football beckoned and, spurning Manchester United’s advances, he signed for Tottenham, reuniting with Terry Venables, who had coached him in his first year with Barcelona. He once again finished top scorer in the league with 24 to his name in 1989-90. He then helped England to the semi-finals of the 1990 World Cup with five goals, and had two more exceptional seasons with Tottenham before moving to Japan.

While his trophy haul was limited, Lineker top-scored in the English first division three times, succeeded abroad, and was his country’s key striker at a time when there was plenty of competition for the role.



Best Goals
While highly productive, the most aesthetically pleasing moments of Lineker’s goals were not his actual finishes, but his movement in the build-up. Consequently, it’s perhaps more fitting to select a hugely significant hat-trick he scored in his first season with Barcelona.

In a clásico against Real Madrid, he found the net thrice to seal a 3-2 win for his team in one of world football’s most epic clashes. And each goal was a signature of the player himself.

The first was a tap-in following a clever run behind a defender to get on the end of a cross; his second was a rebound into an unguarded net following a spilled shot, and his third saw him capitalise on a defensive error to outfox the goalkeeper in a one-on-one situation. That performance was Lineker in a nutshell: cunning, fast and ruthlessly efficient.

Verdict
Perhaps the highest compliment that can be paid to Lineker is that he would have thrived in any era. His style, one predicated on intelligence, would have found a way regardless of the circumstances. Not for him was the game a macho pursuit, rather it was a rational process of deduction: ‘If the defender is here, where must I be to score?’

And on top of the footballer, or perhaps underpinning it, was a winning personality. An empathetic individual capable of laughing at himself and fully aware of the occasional absurdity of football, he represented the best this beautiful game has to offer both in ability and in attitude. For all of this, he must go down as England’s greatest ever striker.
But he shat on the pitch lol.
 

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A never-nude? I thought he just liked cut-offs.
This was the best match thread so far in this draft by a distance imo. Congrats @Enigma_87 and @The Red Viper .Hard luck @BeforeKeanetherewasRobson . A great effort in defeat, and your posts were properly educational. It's always frustrating when you put a lot into researching and selling your players, but it doesn't make a dent in the voting.
 

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Commiserations @BeforeKeanetherewasRobson . You had a great team and didn't particularly fancied squaring up in the quarters.

Thought we had one of the best midfield lines until we drew you :lol: Quality discussion as well and hope you'll stick around for next drafts!
 

Enigma_87

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Hard luck @BeforeKeanetherewasRobson. Great attempt and as usual in this draft it has been a close battle for all teams.

Congratulations @Enigma_87 and @The Red Viper brilliant team and very good posts to defend your team
Cheers mate. Indeed it is pretty hard to separate the sides especially after couple of reinforcements and all teams are well build making it harder for the voter to decide.

This was the best match thread so far in this draft by a distance imo. Congrats @Enigma_87 and @The Red Viper .Hard luck @BeforeKeanetherewasRobson . A great effort in defeat, and your posts were properly educational. It's always frustrating when you put a lot into researching and selling your players, but it doesn't make a dent in the voting.
Thanks, Pat, appreciated!
 

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Hard luck @BeforeKeanetherewasRobson. Great attempt and as usual in this draft it has been a close battle for all teams.

Congratulations @Enigma_87 and @The Red Viper brilliant team and very good posts to defend your team
This was the best match thread so far in this draft by a distance imo. Congrats @Enigma_87 and @The Red Viper .Hard luck @BeforeKeanetherewasRobson . A great effort in defeat, and your posts were properly educational. It's always frustrating when you put a lot into researching and selling your players, but it doesn't make a dent in the voting.
Cheers lads! :)
 
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Hard luck @BeforeKeanetherewasRobson. Great attempt and as usual in this draft it has been a close battle for all teams.

Thanks and thanks for running this draft - done an excellent job.
This was the best match thread so far in this draft by a distance imo. Congrats @Enigma_87 and @The Red Viper .Hard luck @BeforeKeanetherewasRobson . A great effort in defeat, and your posts were properly educational. It's always frustrating when you put a lot into researching and selling your players, but it doesn't make a dent in the voting.
Thanks - to be honest, most was from actually watching them growing up (with some Google checks to add figures/videos). Good times.
Commiserations @BeforeKeanetherewasRobson . You had a great team and didn't particularly fancied squaring up in the quarters.

Thought we had one of the best midfield lines until we drew you :lol: Quality discussion as well and hope you'll stick around for next drafts!
Me too. Good luck in semis.
Hard Luck, @BeforeKeanetherewasRobson . Good Game.

Like Enigma said, you had a great team. We expected it to be a very close game.
Thanks, good game indeed. Walker and McGrain very good players and personally, a fan of Brady and Thijssen (not so much Ardiles.... whose greatest moment was scoring against Germany in Escape to Victory).

Good luck..... sure no-one in Liverpool will mind you backing a Lineker led team against two Liverpool greats?:nono::)
 

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Thanks - to be honest, most was from actually watching them growing up (with some Google checks to add figures/videos). Good times.

Me too. Good luck in semis.

Thanks, good game indeed. Walker and McGrain very good players and personally, a fan of Brady and Thijssen (not so much Ardiles.... whose greatest moment was scoring against Germany in Escape to Victory).

Good luck..... sure no-one in Liverpool will mind you backing a Lineker led team against two Liverpool greats?:nono::)
Haha.

Loved Big Jan and Terry Mac. Terry Mac along with Beardo are the most underrated LFC greats imo.

Me and Enigma were wonder what team you end up going with. I thought you would go with a lopsided 4-4-2.

Channon uptop with McClair off him. Robertson on LW with Terry Mac in a right sided midfielder/3rd CM role.

Did you consider going with that team?
 
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Haha.

Loved Big Jan and Terry Mac. Terry Mac along with Beardo are the most underrated LFC greats imo.

Me and Enigma were wonder what team you end up going with. I thought you would go with a lopsided 4-4-2.

Channon uptop with McClair off him. Robertson on LW with Terry Mac in a right sided midfielder/3rd CM role.

Did you consider going with that team?
Had a couple of options but that wasn't one of them. Always saw McDermott as a central midfielder.

The issue I had was get Robertson and maybe ANOther (stick with a midfield two) or add Molby/stick with forwards. Only other decision was which forward and felt McClairs versatility plus having.scored more goals in the draft period (plus being a United player) may be right call.

Obviously not.