Premier League final standings without VAR

[UnofficialDevil]

VAR has had a significant impact on the Premier League this season – and a new table reveals just how different the final standings would look without input from officials at Stockley Park.

Premier League final table without VAR revealed with Arsenal in fourth beating Chelsea to Champions League spot

https://www.planetfootball.com/quic...e-would-look-if-we-didnt-have-var-in-2020-21/

 

[Vidyoyo]

Interestingly as well, we were involved in the most VAR decisions, with 11 going in favour and 8 against (19 total). Basically we're the official VAR team.

 

[V.O.]

How exactly have they worked this out? It gives Chelsea one more goal than they actually scored, yet Werner must have scored ten on his own that were ruled offside by VAR.

Then you add in that linesmen are being told to keep their flags down unless it's blatantly obvious - how do they know what would have been called off and what wouldn't otherwise?

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Goes without saying that table is a fecking ridiculous concept. Officials behave differently knowing big calls will be referred to VAR. Especially when it comes to offsides. If it’s in any way tight they won’t flag. So Liverpool (for example) is being awarded points for goals disallowed by VAR but they might well have been flagged offside anyway if VAR didn’t exist

 

[OverratedOpinion]

Basically Sheffield were truly a shit show no matter whatever way you look at it.

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

It’s interesting. But a blunt tool, that doesn’t tell us much. Unless the VAR decision was in the last minute, teams have time to score again - and this is ignored by this analysis.

 

[Paul_Scholes18]

It is not really a massive impact for any sides. It is maybe 1 or 2 games that gone different due to VAR per club I guess. Or it has been going for and against each club.

Would be interesting to see how many pens gained by VAR and goals removed due to offside as well. Also how many red cards given from VAR calls.

 

[Klopper76]

It's been an inconsistent mess since it came in. It's also making referee's second guess themselves which has led to them making daft decisions.

Based on that table we would've conceded three more goals than we actually did if VAR wasn't a factor, but would've ended up on three more points.

 

[peridigm]

Now do one where VAR should have been involved but wasn't.

 

[Hound Dog]

The referees would have officiated differently without VAR (particularly regarding offsides) so this table is utterly pointless.

 

[Giggs86]

What's the point of this? Eventually it comes down to the ref's personal interpretation, even if VAR intervenes. You can do the same table for each season of 'what the table would look like if refs have been competent'? 'What the table would look like if Moss wasn't a fat bastard'? 'What the table would look like if Oliver wasn't blind'?

 

[maniak]

Someone was bored at the office.

 

[Karel Podolsky]

Interestingly as well, we were involved in the most VAR decisions, with 11 going in favour and 8 against (19 total). Basically we're the official VAR team.

Last season it was Livarpool, this season is Varchester United.
Next season probably Varchester City or Varski, or Varsenal

 

[Oranges038]

Significant is a bit of a push. Top 3 the same, bottom 3 the same and feck all difference in between.

I don't like how VAR is used. But this shows it has very little difference in overall positions and results, probably no more so than if referees didn't have it and were still allowed to make decisions without it's intervention.

 

[Jaqen H'ghar]

Now do one where VAR should have been involved but wasn't.

This. Or better yet factor it into the above table, along with the times VAR was involved and got it wrong.

 

[Sky1981]

You call that significant impact? +-3?

Harly anything significant, it's basically 1 critical error per season

 

[SirReginald]

Well the table shows VAR isn’t really the issue. The real issue with the technology is that their own rules are not being followed and produce inconsistent decisions across all the games.

My main problem is that they have been told on multiple occasions and by multiple leaders in the game not to over analyse decisions.
The whole point of the technology is to correct the obvious errors, a toe offside may be offside technically but it’s impossible for the human eye to see. In cricket if a decision is 50/50, it becomes umpires call and more often than not they stick with their original decision.

This should be the case in football, common sense must prevail, a goal from a toe offside will not enrage opposition fans. Ruling it offside enrages the fans of said club and puts more unnecessary pressure on VAR.

Stockley park continues to try and resolve disputes using the absolute letter of the law. Their downfall is that they are restricting the organic flow of the game with no real awareness for the parties involved. The fear that letting the right decision be wrong will somehow look bad on them and create anarchy in the game is the death of football.

 

[Isotope]

Also a goal ahead or behind would make Teams change their game approach. An away team with a chalked off goal at 2-1 by VAR, might still attacking to get a point at 2-2.

It's the same problem with Penalty/non-Penalty table.

 

[smi11ie]

I there were a few more years of statistics it might show a pattern of favouritism towards certain clubs, for example, Liverpool and Arsenal. Need to wait a couple of years and see if a pattern emerges of decisions made before VAR interceeds.

 

[FatTails]

This is kind of pointless. If a decision was not taken or was reversed because VAR wasn’t there, the rest of the game might’ve unfolded differently.

It’s like when a team misses two big chances and the commentator says, “they should’ve been 2 goals to the good”. If the first chance had been scored, the second chance might not have happened altogether because the dynamic of the game would’ve been different.

 

[Ludens the Red]

Absolute shite this. Doesn’t even say if it takes into account correct var decisions. Not to mention the 50/50’s.
Seems like it was made by probably an Arsenal fan. Which in a way is good because their fans are picking up on it which means they might think that Arteta has actually done well and keep him at the club.

 

[Mr Smith]

Not actually that many huge changes there, only real difference is where Arsenal finish. Have they really had that many VAR decisions go against them?

 

[tenpoless]

Liverpool not even champions on an alternate no VAR league table. Pathetic for a supposedly the greatest squad in the world with the greatest manager.

 

[iKnowNothing]

Is this United fans’ version of the alternate premier league table?

 

[hmchan]

There is no point in discussing this. Refs twist their decisions (e.g. keeping flags down etc.) because they presume VAR would make amends. A goal ruled out by VAR doesn't necessarily mean it will stand without VAR.

 

[RedBanker]

This table reminds me of first and second half tables, Xg tables, home and away tables...

 

[FreddieTheReddie]

This makes no sense. Team’s would hace played differently without VAR. For example if we get a penalty or two, we will be more relaxed, even sit back a little. If we don’t we would push for the winner till the end. You can’t just take away goals this way.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Well the table shows VAR isn’t really the issue. The real issue with the technology is that their own rules are not being followed and produce inconsistent decisions across all the games.

My main problem is that they have been told on multiple occasions and by multiple leaders in the game not to over analyse decisions.
The whole point of the technology is to correct the obvious errors, a toe offside may be offside technically but it’s impossible for the human eye to see. In cricket if a decision is 50/50, it becomes umpires call and more often than not they stick with their original decision.

This should be the case in football, common sense must prevail, a goal from a toe offside will not enrage opposition fans. Ruling it offside enrages the fans of said club and puts more unnecessary pressure on VAR.

Stockley park continues to try and resolve disputes using the absolute letter of the law. Their downfall is that they are restricting the organic flow of the game with no real awareness for the parties involved. The fear that letting the right decision be wrong will somehow look bad on them and create anarchy in the game is the death of football.

That’s not really their fault. It’s the nature of the technology. You can’t criticise them for nit-picking while simultaneously asking them to use frame by frame video analysis to review tight decisions. It’s an inevitable consequence of implementing VAR and, unfortunately, that genie can’t be put back in the bottle.

It is a load of shite, though, I agree. It’s not football.