Hazard being placed as being levels above Zidane, Iniesta and Figo, players who could still be a danger on the pitch at a late stage of their careers... enough internet for today, I guess.
Prime Hazard or Prime Salah?
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That’ll never be one as a Henry was simply better. But I agree that Salah is comfortably ahead of Hazard now.
We are down to only Henry being better now as an attacking pl player?
He is incredibly overrated on redcafe, I don't see it anywhere near much outside of the cafe.
Would still take Henry over Salah. When comparing numbers you have to look at them relative to the era. Henry was top scorer 4 seasons while Salah has been once (twice joint). When looking at g+a Henry is 4 times top again with Salah top twice.
When it comes to Salah v Hazard, don't think it's a debate as Salah's consistent high level holds him above Hazard. Maybe Hazard had one or two seasons better than Salah but over time Salah's performances have him higher.
When it comes to Salah v Hazard, don't think it's a debate as Salah's consistent high level holds him above Hazard. Maybe Hazard had one or two seasons better than Salah but over time Salah's performances have him higher.
Why has this random comparison popped back up again?
On a United fans forum?!
Never!
Just simply Salah > Hazard.
It’s really difficult to do prime comparison only while ignoring everything else. Hazard probably has better 10/10 in his prime game, but Salah is clearly better over his prime season or overall career.
It’s really difficult to do prime comparison only while ignoring everything else. Hazard probably has better 10/10 in his prime game, but Salah is clearly better over his prime season or overall career.
I never thought that addiction was that bad here at the cafe
I think only some over the top Premier League fans will rate him that high.If Hazard was more professional with his fitness he'd be the better player, he didn't appear to me to be the in the correct shape all the time.
Was thinking the same thing... Even them with the clinical Isak would be deadly...
Think they will strengthen in defense 1st before looking at attack.
Salah ….goals win games
One has to wonder how good prime hazard would have been in this Liverpool side, perhaps brilliant but he always was a tad too lazy so maybe not a fit at all.
The only comparable metric is fear factor, otherwise these two would play in the same team and be complementary.
Salah has generated more fear over time in both the PL and CL. He's underrated still as he's not effortlessly associative of Henry and that class of player although it's his - well-earned - tier.
Salah has generated more fear over time in both the PL and CL. He's underrated still as he's not effortlessly associative of Henry and that class of player although it's his - well-earned - tier.
Hazard. He did not play for Liverpool and that wins it for me.
Interesting so Lampard is the greatest CM of all time in your eyes?
What’s Lampard got to do with it? Read the thread title.
The Messi vs Ronaldo debate keeps finding new ways to reverberate.
He's correct though. It's probably no coincidence that those golden Chelsea years coincided with Lampard banging them in every week. As good as Hazard was, Salah was/is more ruthless and impacts games far more.
You said Salah was the better player out of these two because "goals win games", so going by the exact same logic Lampard is the best CM of all time.
Optimus Prime
Hazard all day
In case you’re struggling to understand the thread title ….this has feck all to do with Lampard.
Hazard is a more enjoyable player to watch from a pure entertainment perspective. But professional/high level football is about winning. If you're a manager/coach, Salah is the more effective/reliable player of the two. He has a stronger mentality and level of professionalism. You know you're getting 20 PL goals a season from Salah.
Salah is actually underrated compared to a lot of other players this century. Or at least post 2010. I'd put him in an all-time PL XI. Ridiculous output.
Salah is actually underrated compared to a lot of other players this century. Or at least post 2010. I'd put him in an all-time PL XI. Ridiculous output.
Henry
Robben - Cantona - Salah
Scholes - Keane
Who beats my PL front six?
Robben - Cantona - Salah
Scholes - Keane
Who beats my PL front six?
Without Hazard we don't win our last two titles.
For the record I would actually edge it to Salah due to his UCL performances but to cite goal/assists to play down Hazard like that poster is doing is incredibly lazy in my eyes, the goal below an example of what I mean, no goal or assist but without his contribution the attack doesn't even get off the ground let alone end up in the net.
I'll give it a go:
---Gerrard-Makalele-Vieira---
Ronaldo---------------------Hazard
------------------Ruud------------------
---Gerrard---Viera---Scholes---
Salah-----------------------Ronaldo
------------------Henry------------------
Was trying to go for players he didn't pick
Ah missed that.....ok, going on players not yet picked, I'll go with:
--Lampard-Keane-Toure--
Rooney--------------------Bale
--------------Shearer------------
Hazard and Salah are attackers and they are judged by their output which is Goals and assists. The reasons Messi and Ronaldo are the best attackers is the insane number of G+A they churned out consistently. I can't think of a highly rated attacker who didn't put up numbers
Modern fans decide everything on statistics. But Hazard was a better player and a bigger influence at his peak.
Shearer
Robben Rooney Duff
Fabregas Keane
Would be pretty tasty. Robben and Duff in peak form were just terrifying.
Chelsea with Hazard only made the CL semi once, Pre Salah, Liverpool was non existent in recent times, since then they've made 3 CL finals
Hazard has 9 CL career goals half from penalties, In 2017/18 CL salah had 10 goals
You can think Salah is a better player than Hazard because of goals and at the same time think there are CM´s who scored less than Lampard that are better.
We dont compare everything on the same metrics.
So "goals win games" can be an argument for Salah and "punchable face prick" can be an argument agains Lampard.
Just as strikers: Shearer, Henry, Ruud, Rooney, Ronaldo. I’ll throw in Denis Bergkamp as a bonus.
Heck, he’s not even Liverpool’s best striker in terms of pure peak as Torres was a better player.
In that case if its all down to goal stats how do you explain your club dropping Mario Gomez after 40 plus goal season?
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That goal still took an outrageous pass from Fabregas to happen
Just to make this more interesting, how about this pre-PL “front six?”
Denis Law Kenny Dalglish
John Robertson Duncan Edwards Bobby Charlton George Best
I reckon they would score a fair number of goals over a season…
Denis Law Kenny Dalglish
John Robertson Duncan Edwards Bobby Charlton George Best
I reckon they would score a fair number of goals over a season…
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Salah has been a better PL player than every single player you mentioned bar Henry.
Torres was great at Liverpool but pretty sure Salah surpassed him as a Liverpool player after like 2 years there or something. They're not in the same tier at all. There's probably several tiers between them but I guess Liverpool fans can speak with more authority on that comparison.