Ralf Rangnick | Austria manager

[#07]

On the other hand, Hoeneß has just made it perfectly clear he'll reinforce his influence on sporting matters, and whoever incurs his disapproval will be in trouble. Rangnick has certainly noticed this. Will be very interesting (and potentially funny) to see how this pans out if he takes the job.

Should Bayern appoint Rangnick, you can see the situation blowing up before Christmas. Going back to Hansi Flick would be a simpler solution for everyone.

 

[ThierryHenry14]

Would be even more funny if he actually declines the Bayern job now.

He should have a pretty good understanding on the working environment in Bayern right now.

 

[Sir Erik ten Hag]

The CAF being united in bashing Rangnick makes me secretly think he'd succeed at Bayern... That's just how it usually is.

 

[ThierryHenry14]

The CAF being united in bashing Rangnick makes me secretly think he'd succeed at Bayern... That's just how it usually is.

He already had great success with Austria. His win% is better than Southgate who has a much stronger team.

 

[Big Ben Foster]

Ralf vs HoeneB will make for some great entertainment next season

Two very opinionated people with zero filter

 

[Zehner]

I hope he signs for Bayern. I really don't see Bayern getting 80+ points with a pressing and transition system and the signings he'll demand will make it much more difficult to switch back to possession football again which they really need to, IMO.

For me, his appointment would mean two things: 1) We'll have a very good chance to defend the league and 2) Bayern will still be in a very chaotic and unattractive state next season when Alonso and Wirtz will likely make their next move.

Would not rule Klopp out. One year to recharge then to take over from Ragnick.

Klopp said he wouldn't manage another club in England after Liverpool. Given his connection with Dortmund and how fondly he speaks of them, I really don't see him taking the Bayern job. The unconditional love and admiration of the BVB fans would turn to hatred and he knows that very well.

 

[ThierryHenry14]

I hope he signs for Bayern. I really don't see Bayern getting 80+ points with a pressing and transition system and the signings he'll demand will make it much more difficult to switch back to possession football again which they really need to, IMO.

For me, his appointment would mean two things: 1) We'll have a very good chance to defend the league and 2) Bayern will still be in a very chaotic and unattractive state next season when Alonso and Wirtz will likely make their next move.

His big problem is that he doesn't have a big name as a head coach to demand respect from the senior players in Bayern, just like Emery's problem in PSG.

 

[VWW]

I hope he signs for Bayern. I really don't see Bayern getting 80+ points with a pressing and transition system and the signings he'll demand will make it much more difficult to switch back to possession football again which they really need to, IMO.

For me, his appointment would mean two things: 1) We'll have a very good chance to defend the league and 2) Bayern will still be in a very chaotic and unattractive state next season when Alonso and Wirtz will likely make their next move.




Klopp said he wouldn't manage another club in England after Liverpool. Given his connection with Dortmund and how fondly he speaks of them, I really don't see him taking the Bayern job. The unconditional love and admiration of the BVB fans would turn to hatred and he knows that very well.

why is it that dortmund fans are ok (thats the impression I get) with their players joining Bayern? Like Hummels, they even took him back.

 

[Orange Tree]

If this works out, I will feel justified for being excited when he was appointed as manager for United and thinking he would have done well had the board supported him.

If it goes tits up, we can all laugh at Bayern together.

Win win situation.

 

[GhastlyHun]

why is it that dortmund fans are ok (thats the impression I get) with their players joining Bayern? Like Hummels, they even took him back.

They are not. Götze was regularly called Judas after the announcement. But they're also not stupid, so when a great player wants to come back, you make your peace with it.

 

[Robbie Boy]

The CAF being united in bashing Rangnick makes me secretly think he'd succeed at Bayern... That's just how it usually is.

I've always found the hatred for him on here absolutely hilarious. There's a few that literally froth at the mouth at the mere mention of his name.

 

[OverratedOpinion]

Lwts get some perspective we finished 3rd the following season after spending 200+ million and got rid of ronaldo circus, pogba was gone as well and ragnik had no hope as the players knew he was temporary in charge, where as ten hag was employed as permanent manager and got a full pre season

We have always spent money, a big chunk of that was on players like Antony and Malacia. Not entirely sure that is some major squad upgrade.

The players did also know that at the time it had been confirmed he was going go have a significant role in the future squad.

He did very poorly.

 

[lex talionis]

Despite the venom he for some reason has attracted here, it seems to me that Rangnick got his diagnosis of the problem with the patient 100% spot on. Had he been retained at least as a consultant/technical guru/whatever I'm pretty sure we'd be in a much better place now than where are now.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

I expect him to be a complete success at Bayern. Literally everything is set up for him to succeed.

 

[redNATION]

Despite the venom he for some reason has attracted here, it seems to me that Rangnick got his diagnosis of the problem with the patient 100% spot on. Had he been retained at least as a consultant/technical guru/whatever I'm pretty sure we'd be in a much better place now than where are now.

He has more footballing knowledge than all the clowns he worked under at Utd combined, those guys are being culled by Ineos, it’s clear he knew what he was talking about. Some people doubted him when ETH had a decent season last year but the same old issues have cropped up again, proving him right.

 

[Red in STL]

Didn’t he give up a full time job to be United manager for 6 months?

Manager for 6 months and then a DOF type role after that, for 2 years if I recall correctly

 

[Amar__]

I expect him to be a complete success at Bayern. Literally everything is set up for him to succeed.

Based on Bayern having the worst season in last 20 years?

 

[mu4c_20le]

I expect him to be a complete success at Bayern. Literally everything is set up for him to succeed.

In a 'they cant get any worse' sort of way?

 

[LawCharltonBest]

Manager for 6 months and then a DOF type role after that, for 2 years if I recall correctly

I thought that was just a rumour and United simply let his deal expire

I’ll never forgive Rangnick for bringing that Kurt Angle headed twat in as assistant manager

 

[stefan92]

Based on Bayern having the worst season in last 20 years?

Based on multiple staff at Bayern who worked before under Rangnick for Red Bull (not only related to the first team but also for example their youth development director).

But also some players know him well, he managed Kimmich in Leipzig as a very young player for example.

 

[Big Ben Foster]

Manager for 6 months and then a DOF type role after that, for 2 years if I recall correctly

Consulting role, not DOF. He wouldn't have been an employee or had any actual decision-making / directorial authority.

 

[Amar__]

Based on multiple staff at Bayern who worked before under Rangnick for Red Bull (not only related to the first team but also for example their youth development director).

But also some players know him well, he managed Kimmich in Leipzig as a very young player for example.

You don't make great success at some club because you know staff member and players. You need to have great squad of players alongside those arguments that you mentioned.

 

[stefan92]

You don't make great success at some club because you know staff member and players. You need to have great squad of players alongside those arguments that you mentioned.

Yes, but having the people around who helped you built great squads before is definitely useful to do exactly that.

 

[Red in STL]

Consulting role, not DOF. He wouldn't have been an employee or had any actual decision-making / directorial authority.

I'm pretty sure they were paying him though so kind of an employee

 

[Big Ben Foster]

I'm pretty sure they were paying him though so kind of an employee

Getting paid ≠ employee

Consultants get paid, but are usually external resources, not employees

 

[Red in STL]

Getting paid ≠ employee

Consultants get paid, but are usually external resources, not employees

I'm not sure the Glazer's would understand the difference

 

[Amar__]

Yes, but having the people around who helped you built great squads before is definitely useful to do exactly that.

It is easier, but it doesn't make it like "literally everything is set up for him to succeed". I am pretty sure even few United managers had many staff members and players they worked before and they failed.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

In a 'they cant get any worse' sort of way?

Wrong

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

Based on Bayern having the worst season in last 20 years?

Based on the fact rather that Ralph Ragnick knows what he is doing and Bayern have an excellent structure and player roster to suit exactly what he prefers to do.

 

[stevoc]

Based on the fact rather that Ralph Ragnick knows what he is doing and Bayern have an excellent structure and player roster to suit exactly what he prefers to do.

Didn't they recently fire a load of people within that structure?

 

[adkb]

There is no doubt about Ralf failing at Bayern. He will do a good job.

People are mad at him cause he suggested an open heart surgery on the squad and people cannot fathom that the players, the recruitment and the structure are all shit.

Funny similarity, Greg Chappel had become the coach of Indian Cricket team and he instantly was not happy with some high profile players and made them sit on the bench. He got shit bashed by the media and everyone. Guess what, that golden generation of Indian cricketers did not win anything, and the immediate next generation won absolutely everything when these so called high profile duds fecked off.

 

[Tibs]

Despite the venom he for some reason has attracted here, it seems to me that Rangnick got his diagnosis of the problem with the patient 100% spot on. Had he been retained at least as a consultant/technical guru/whatever I'm pretty sure we'd be in a much better place now than where are now.

100%

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

Didn't they recently fire a load of people within that structure?

Yes. All the rubbish ones who participated in the footballing crime of sacking Nagelsmann

 

[Synco]

Didn't they recently fire a load of people within that structure?

They've been total chaos the last 15 months or so. If a stable, efficient structure finally emerges from the latest reforms remains to be seen, but there are good reasons to doubt that.

 

[B. Munich]

Getting paid ≠ employee

Consultants get paid, but are usually external resources, not employees

Consultants get paid well but have no power on any decisions made within the club.

 

[stevoc]

Yes. All the rubbish ones who participated in the footballing crime of sacking Nagelsmann

Sounds like it wasn't the best then.

 

[stevoc]

They've been total chaos the last 15 months or so. If a stable, efficient structure finally emerges from the latest reforms remains to be seen, but there are good reasons to doubt that.

Yeah from everything I've read they've been in turmoil for a while now.

 

[stevoc]

There is no doubt about Ralf failing at Bayern. He will do a good job.

People are mad at him cause he suggested an open heart surgery on the squad and people cannot fathom that the players, the recruitment and the structure are all shit.

Funny similarity, Greg Chappel had become the coach of Indian Cricket team and he instantly was not happy with some high profile players and made them sit on the bench. He got shit bashed by the media and everyone. Guess what, that golden generation of Indian cricketers did not win anything, and the immediate next generation won absolutely everything when these so called high profile duds fecked off.

It's off topic but the players weren't and aren't all shit. We did the open heart surgery, though it remains to be seen how successful the operation was.

 

[B. Munich]

I hope he signs for Bayern. I really don't see Bayern getting 80+ points with a pressing and transition system and the signings he'll demand will make it much more difficult to switch back to possession football again which they really need to, IMO.

I'm sure this topic had been discussed thoroughly in the talks with Rangnick. He isn't an idiot, so I rather expect him to adapt his style to match Bayern's style. Like Heynckes did after taking over from LvG.

After changing coaches every 18 months, I also believe the board and higher ups will do everything to make this appointment a success. Like Klopp he wouldn't be the typical Bayern appointment as they are both better known for coaching the challenging teams, the underdogs. While Klopp is an elite coach, his personality doesn't fit to elite teams. With Rangnick I'm not yet sure.

Rangnick is also well known to develop youth players and promote them to the first team. That's in line with Hoeneß demands.
His interview wasn't that much off as the press reported.
Tuchel continuously demanding a holding six despite having Kimmich, Goretzka, Laimer and Pavlovic caused serious unhappiness in the dressing room. The loan of Stanisic, sanctioned by Tuchel, to Leverkusen was an huge blunder, which might have cost us the title.

 

[Shinjch]

Unless they are looking to do a big overhaul of the squad, Rangnick seems like a strange choice for the job,