Yeh exactly. It's a really disappointing take from RR, which hopefully he doesn't mean too literally.
Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?
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So if Ralf isn't to blame why are we hiring Ten Hag?
We don't even need to sack Rangnick as he's going to be paid for his consultancy for the next 2 years anyway.
Just relieve him of his duties and get someone else in for the last 6 games.
There are lots people who could do a better job than Rangnick and give us a better chance of top 4.
The problem is certainly the players. That being said, Ralf has been a massive disappointment.
Ralf highlighting that the squad is a toxic mess and are clearly not even attempting to train for match fitness any more means I think we shouldn't get Ten Hag...What??
I'm saying the people in this thread throwing the total blame of Rangnick when he's obviously not being listened to or respected by our squad is the actual and greater problem, and blaming someone whose the equivalent of a seat warmer misses the bigger problem.So sack the seat warmer for a 6 game seat warmer is the answer for you? This is the answer when this diabolical collection of millionaires are going around the club thinking "i've got mine, just need to get to the end of the season"
fair enough if folks want to blame Ralf for some of it. However did anyone genuinely think before hand that we'd get an interim and the entire squad would just completely give up and refuse to implement any of his wishes?
They just didn't do what he asked. How you supposed to coach/manager on an interim basis when they just won't do it?
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No leader to tell them to shut the feck up and get on with it. They all think they know best.
I miss the Keane type of captain.
Rangnick quotes make no sense, a year ago Mejbri was good enough to have minutes, that's what he showed during the few minutes that he got. So unless he went backward, Rangnick is full of it.
Rangnick wasn't here a year ago though? Hes evaluating the players from what he sees in training, and his standards may be different to Oles in justifying minutes for younger players.
He has been a disaster for us. We can blame the players all we want but most clubs who got a new manager get a new manager bounce and start performing. With him, nothing has changed. We were exactly the same as we were under Ole. The odd good result here and there but still very inconsistent and losing to the bottom teams. No sugar-coating what if or not.
I'm sure we could have found a better interim manager than Ragnick even if we couldn't get ETH or Zidane. Even Benitez I think would have been a better choice, he is a specialist in knock-out competitions and I think he could have done better for us in Europe.
Should be fairly obvious by now that Ralf is full of it. He'll say whatever suits him best.
He's managed to lose control of the dressing room faster than Mourinho but with nothing to actually show for it, now he's blaming all the players, it's all fairly impressive.
There's probably more that value their ability to contribute for more than 6 games. You make it sound such an attractive proposition and I can almost imagine these great people racing to the front door.
And people want to blame manager and our previous managers. Great to tell it openly. If true about that quote. Something that We know for a couple of years now.
Rangnick is right. If it about quality then those kids need to grow into senior football. As long as there is chance for better position We shouldnt play them for fun.
So we should blame every manager for losing controll but not those who are behaving bad? Our players are grown men. If they can’t behave like that regardless of manager they need to be criticised.
What's so funny about that? His tenure at Everton might have been a disaster but he has done a great job as an interim manager at Chelsea and revitalized Newcastle, he also has professional experience in management in EPL whereas Ragnick was an unknown.
I’ve heard it all now
It’s remarkable just how bad he’s been, he had an absolutely dream fixture run when he came in. Top 4 should have been all but ours by now. I guess this is what happens when you hire someone’s who’s coached one season in the last decade. The best option if we wanted an interim would have been Ernesto Valverde.
You must have only become a united fan 5 minutes ago if you think Benitez of all people was an option for us. The fans would have rioted.
Our players are quite literally multi-millionaires in their mid 20’s, hardly grown men.
Ralf has prior history of speaking bullshit, not entirely sure why people accept everything he says as the truth just because it coincides with what they’ve decided for themselves.
Last season we kept turning defeats into wins, finished second, this season the group of players is suddenly utter useless?
Ralf took over, had a long line of easy fixtures, failed to do much, keeps blaming the players in public.
If he keeps this up, he won't have much of a role at the club after stepping down as manager
Out of curiosity I looked at the press conference. I suspect that people are taking it out of context, that part of the press conference he talked about what he could have done differently and talked about whether he should have used different formations or made different substitutions, earlier he talked about a lack of confidence from players and a few players not handling pressure well.
I wouldn't be surprised if he was thinking about how the squad was built.
I think people don't quite appreciate the psychological impact of the humiliating defeats the club put the players through under Ole. Mentally the squad was shattered by the time he left, so expecting them to just continue like nothing had happened was always a stretch.
Are you players agent? You are just about give them free pass.
Being mid 20 is being grown man. You are not child to be held by hand. You should not need someone to tell you about pride, desire, passion when you do your job.
Why didn’t We do that this year with Solskjaer? Because of players. What history does Rangnick have of talking bs? And yes, while I usually think things should be done behind doors I wouldn’t mind Rangnick calling them out by names. Players need to understand they are only players and nothing else. If they aren’t happy leave or just stop playing at all.
People do ignore that aspect. I was reminded of that in the last 18 months, the MHR went from relegation battle under the previous coach to top of Top 14 with almost the same players, the main thing the new coaching staff mentioned was that they needed to give players confidence in their game and make things simpler and clearer.
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I think Ragnick has responsibility in how poor the team has performed. Look at the transition at Spurs from Nuno to Conte. One is an average manager the other a quality one. Look at the despondency of Kane in his attitude and the change during this period. That's what good managers do for professionals.
The issue with Ragnick is the team hasn't even shown any good form. What's permissable is that his influence behind closed doors will likely be unmatched as that is his speciality. ETH will be where the axe is swung. A upcoming manager with a proven record for coaching players, the players won't be able to hide behind the wall of journalists and excuses.
The issue with Ragnick is the team hasn't even shown any good form. What's permissable is that his influence behind closed doors will likely be unmatched as that is his speciality. ETH will be where the axe is swung. A upcoming manager with a proven record for coaching players, the players won't be able to hide behind the wall of journalists and excuses.
Yes. It's necessary. And unavoidable in the end.
The conditions that showed the world the club was serious about change which brought Ten Hag here. Without him we would have ended up with Poch and more years of failed compromise with the Bank of Florida. We might anyway.What conditions has he successfully created?
Posters in this thread are so full of it.
It's not my fault if you lack insight. Perhaps you need to try harder?
What a load of uninspiring rubbish from a mediocre manager, he is quickly coming across as uninspiring and full of as much rubbish as ole. I want to know why fans actually believe ragnick is a good manager and it's all down to the players when there is almost nothing to back up ragnick as a good manager on 2022 but there is evidence over the last few years that the current united players can do well as a team.
He has created an environment within the dressing room that will make eth job harder than it should be, at least if csrrick was here there would still be more togetherness and harmony in the dressing room.
Remember when we had a load of injuries under lvg when we were struggling for a top 4 spot, did he play it safe and ignore youth players, no he threw rashford into the spotlight and it actually helped spark some life into us in the back end of that season.
I am at a point that I don't even want ragnick as a consultant, maybe being employed as manager/director at average second fiddle European clubs that are happy to just prod along and be a selling club is his ceiling. Do we really want a guy that believes mctominay is a future man united captain and a defensive midfielder consulting the club on footballing matters...
You conveniently forget that Conte has been hired as permanent manager while United players know perfectly well that Rangnick will be gone by end of season.
He has done absolutely feck all! Before taking the moral high ground I suggest it is you that gets some sense of insight.
Rangnick has been a complete failure.
poor take
Not sure if you’re serious.
limited coach perhaps- but more likely the same players who have underperformed for years are doing the same with him because he has no power long term. I don’t doubt for a second his take on this shit show. He called out Pogba straight away...he subbed and benched Ronaldo when needed...he benched WB and Shaw so we could finally see if the other two (Dalot and Telles) had a future at the club. He loaned out players who were rotting on a bench so at the very least we might get a transfer fee for them. He has benched Bruno when he won’t listen and my only question mark over him is Maguire. But all in all...we are a shambles and he is at least pointing toward a way out.
I have no doubt that if we had not of hired him we would be looking at a Poch Kane Rice summer to the tune of €200 million and we would still be shit next year. RR, ETH and dare I say the DoF are all steps in the right direction.
Why play youth and let them take the heat for over paid prima donnas? Let them have their confidence shattered? Or are they so good that you expect them not only to meet the standard at men’s top level football but also to drag a whole team along with them? Elanga a case in point...when we are playing well...he looks like he could make it here. When we are not, he looks part of the problem.
RR is completely right.
Two year contract for Conte, hardly the biggest vote of confidence.
Furthermore, Ralf isn’t gone by the end of the season. He’ll be gone as manager but will still have plenty to say about how the club is being run. Hardly means that the players can simply boycot him without risk of consequences.
I love the crazy level of presumption in this post.
Why do posters keep saying that we would have got Poch if RR had not come in? Murtough is the guy making the decisions and ETH would have been his first choice with or without RR.
Why can’t people call a spade a spade? Rangnick has failed as the interim manager yet people need to make up bollocks about how he’s weeding out the shit in the squad For the next manager.
Well guess what, any manager worth his salt would know who needs to stay and who needs to go after just one training Session.
The most important decision (other than appointing the right manager) is change at board room level to give the new manager 100% authority to get rid of whoever is not in his plans.
We can never again have the Mourinho situation where he wanted rid of Pogba and Martial and the board vetoed it. The vision for the team needs to be the same at every level otherwise it breeds and feeds a toxic environment.
Hopefully we have that in place now with Murtough.
I personally think Rangnick will be sidelined in this consultancy role and I don’t blame the board if that is the case.
Why can’t people call a spade a spade? Rangnick has failed as the interim manager yet people need to make up bollocks about how he’s weeding out the shit in the squad For the next manager.
Well guess what, any manager worth his salt would know who needs to stay and who needs to go after just one training Session.
The most important decision (other than appointing the right manager) is change at board room level to give the new manager 100% authority to get rid of whoever is not in his plans.
We can never again have the Mourinho situation where he wanted rid of Pogba and Martial and the board vetoed it. The vision for the team needs to be the same at every level otherwise it breeds and feeds a toxic environment.
Hopefully we have that in place now with Murtough.
I personally think Rangnick will be sidelined in this consultancy role and I don’t blame the board if that is the case.
He has got Ten hag through the door. He has exposed the vast extent of the festering problems within the club. He has pressed go on the high press project which will take years not the weeks that armchair fantasists were expecting. This is what he was here for. Not to get top four. He's succeeded in everything. We should give him a statue.
If the senior team is winning by a couple of goals (let’s use our imagination and pretend that could actually happen) then we will see the academy players.
It’s not worth making a drama about every single tweet.
It’s not worth making a drama about every single tweet.
Im assuming this post is a parody? You cannot honestly believe this???
If top 4 meant nothing then why didn’t the board keep Ole on and appoint RR to the consultancy role back in November?
Rangnick was appointed as interim manager to course correct the squads underachievement on the pitch. It is utterly ludicrous to state that he wasn’t appointed to get top 4!
Where am i giving them a free pass?
Why don’t Klopp just feck off on vacation for the rest of the season, next season as well, Liverpool will run themselves, no need for a manager. Guardiola as well, for that matter. There’s a reason the vast majority of managers aren’t even close, it’s not because it’s an easy job.
Solskjærs limitations became his undoing, the drop in performances was just larger than expected, pride, desire and passion sadly isn’t enough when you don’t have much of a clue in terms of tactics. Ralf is the opposite, all tactics but little or no understanding on how to actually deal with players and implement it on the pitch.
Ralf likes to talk about his importance in football, the effect he’s had in terms of gegenpress, he simply has a big ego and likes promoting himself, which is why he’s landed a shitload of interviews but few jobs as a manager. Look up his AC Milan stunt. There’s a reason he’s not a successfull manager, and it’s not because of players. His take on physios and injured players is bad enough.
Fact is that Ralf has completely failed and he’s blaming it all on the players rather than himself. No idea why people are falling for it. I’m not a big fan of Conte, he’s a massive knobhead, but he would’ve easily outperformed Ralfs results on pretty much every level there is.
Whilst it's difficult to call RR a success, I think his spell has opened and shined an honest light on the club. Something which Ole's spell avoided or masked until it couldn't be so any more.
I think we now have a better understanding of the scale of the problem and hopefully we're moving in the right direction.
Ole should have remained only an interim and I'd hate for us to be considering Ralf.
I'm also hesitant to praise Ralf for us going after Ten Hag, it seems like he's been in Murtoughs thoughts before Ralf arrived.
I think we now have a better understanding of the scale of the problem and hopefully we're moving in the right direction.
Ole should have remained only an interim and I'd hate for us to be considering Ralf.
I'm also hesitant to praise Ralf for us going after Ten Hag, it seems like he's been in Murtoughs thoughts before Ralf arrived.
This is exactly what we’re trying to move away from, isn’t it. The manager will obviously has his say, but the entire point is building a structure at the club so that the right choices, for the club, is made either way. Klopp didn’t believe Salah was the right signing for Liverpool, his preference was Brandt but he was convinced by Edwards..
You don’t want the manager to have 100% authority on who stays and who goes.
Mourinho was completely backed by the club until the point where it became clear that he was losing the plot. He wanted to replace players he had just signed, suddenly they weren’t good enough, he insisted on us signing Sanchez and it derailed the remainder of the season for Rashford and Martial, both were performing very well at the time, whereas Sanchez ended up being an insanely expensive flop that even cost a small fortune to get rid off. It was Mourinho’s lack of results that caused the board to stop sanctioning his every wish.
I think this is fair.
This Utd squad is toxic and dogshit, it's our worst season in about 30 years.
I know we all think bringing in some youngsters would improve things but chances are they'd struggle and be weighed down by all our current issues. Probably is better to wait.
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