I completely agree but that's also the issue - nobody of that calibre would've wanted an interim job for 6 months.It's going to be difficult for him to steer this ship in the right direction I'm afraid. We needed a bigger name to come and orchestrate this group of players. A person who the likes of Ronaldo, Fernandes, Cavani, Sancho etc would look up to and show respect for from day one. Example: Not that we could expect a Pep mind, but I'm pretty convinced he would have got much more of a tune out of these players than we are getting now. We need a BIG name with a proven record to take charge of these players. Ragnick isn't that person!
If things don't go well do you often imagine a scenario involving Ole where it would've been even worse?Ole would have just accepted that last night and in the post match interview driveled on about how we never gave up, or United DNA, or something like that, all the while with a daft grin on his face, and finishing it off with "the great thing about football is we have another opportunity to put it right in the next game" after drawing or losing for the umpteenth game in a row.
So I'm happy at this point that Rangnick called called it out for the gash that it was. Full marks.
We've been playing 4-2-4 and it was leaving McFred exposed every single game, 4 at Leicester, 5 against Liverpool, 4 at Watford etc. The idea is to stop shipping half a dozen chances a game. It is Rangnick's preferred system through his career so it was inevitable he'd try it.Can someone tell me the benfits of:
1) 4-2-2-2 in general and the school of thought behind it
2) why this system suits us, gives an edge on our opponents and how this will bring out the best in our players?
But does he enjoy the degree of control he had then here? Can he drop Ronaldo, Bruno, Maguire and Rashford? He is obviously not satisfied with the application from some of his players but does he have the authority to act on it in a way that wont create a sh*t storm and would the club back him?Hes done quite well when hes been asked to implement his theory in the past though.
Well, they certainly showed a lot more fight and spirit last season to come back so many times.Who are those players? Players who will win us things under the right set up. Besides our young players, I wouldn't blink an eye at anyone else we sell.
I don't think past performances should guarantee a player more chances. I believe in treating all the players fairly otherwise you just never will get the best from them.That’s ridiculous. Some players do deserve more chances because they have earned that. Shaw was the best left back in the league last season. Form is obviously important too, but Telles is not playing well.
Telles is not very good and will never be good enough. Maybe a new manager would be the kick that Shaw needs to recapture his form… but we won’t know whilst he sits on the bench for an inferior footballer who is not playing remotely well enough to keep his place in the side.
There is too much presumption about what he can and can't do here. He's had 3 games and a 16 day break in between the last 2 fixtures due to covid. He's barely worked with the squad.But does he enjoy the degree of control he had then here? Can he drop Ronaldo, Bruno, Maguire and Rashford? He is obviously not satisfied with the application from some of his players but does he have the authority to act on it in a way that wont create a sh*t storm and would the club back him?
The way I see it is that the club has backed itself into a corner by massively investing in deeply flawed players who can't hack it at the elite level. Think of Maguire, of Bruno with his carelessness in possession, of Rashford thinking he Ronaldo or of Ronaldo thinking he the player he was six years ago. Bar Sir Alex is there a manager with enough clout to sort this issue out? Then you have Scot, Fred and AWB with subpar technical skills but with major roles in the team.
This squad is flawed to the core and maybe that's why Ole never bothered with the fancy tactics, he knew they wouldn't hack it when the going gets tough.
That's funny, because from what I've seen, it's mainly the Ole-outers that are now complaining about RRCan you believe Ole's supporters, screaming after only 3 games?
Maybe Man Utd should just stick me up front and put Rashford on the bench because he is playing poorly. Don’t worry about the fact that I am useless.You then get a status quo of rubbish repeated year after year because nobody has an incentive to do better.
Both Varane and Maguire didn't make sense and I would have understood if he had played one of them. Was Bailly injured or has he had COVID too because he is certainly a better option on current form? Thing is there are roles locked in our team and the players in those positions aren't really kicking up trees so when you see the same shite being repeated by two different managers you start to wonder whether there is pressure from somewhere else.There is too much presumption about what he can and can't do here. He's had 3 games and a 16 day break in between the last 2 fixtures due to covid. He's barely worked with the squad.
I think he will drop players he feels need to be dropped yes. He dropped Sancho and Greenwood already in different games. He's immediately dropped Shaw for Telles and AWB for Dalot. I'm not sure about Maguire because he hasn't had the chance to drop him yet really. Lindelof caught covid so Maguire and Varane made sense. The defence had not conceded a goal before Newcastle so it's not like he had a big reason to suddenly bring say, Baily in.
Rashford does need to be benched for a few months. So does Luke Shaw. A few weeks isn't gonna cut it.Maybe Man Utd should just stick me up front and put Rashford on the bench because he is playing poorly. Don’t worry about the fact that I am useless.
He needs to sit on the bench for a few months as an incentive to get better. This will be very helpful to Man Utd’s performances.
That's rubbish, their fitness level was appalling under Mou.Because Ole inherited team which was coached and didn't had fitness problem. Problem was morale.
Ragnick inherited completely uncoached team with major fitness issues. That can't be fixed in a few months.
Lindelof had covid, I don't know about Bailey. Maguire was fine for us in the previous games and I would say also under Carrick. Varane has been training since before Norwich, so I think we're clutching at straws if we're picking that center back pairing as a big issue on hindsight for the manager.Both Varane and Maguire didn't make sense and I would have understood if he had played one of them. Was Bailly injured or has he had COVID too because he is certainly a better option on current form? Thing is there are roles locked in our team and the players in those positions aren't really kicking up trees so when you see the same shite being repeated by two different managers you start to wonder whether there is pressure from somewhere else.
Right. He's only been here a few weeks and two games have been postponed. He's had the lurgy to contend with and the loss of some of the coaching staff. He's had to evaluate each player to see where and if they fit with his system and he's got until season's end to get us into the CL places and leave the team in decent shape for the new manager.It was never going to be a quick fix, made harder if you're trying to convince alot of players who really aren't up for, or even capable of playing his sort of football.
I get what you are saying but Varane has been out for a month whilst Bailly has played well whenever he has been called upon so I don't get the rush to start a player coming back from a relatively long lay off ahead of someone who has given us the best CB performances this season.Lindelof had covid, I don't know about Bailey. Maguire was fine for us in the previous games and I would say also under Carrick. Varane has been training since before Norwich, so I think we're clutching at straws if we're picking that center back pairing as a big issue on hindsight for the manager.
He has rightly looked at the whole team being an issue, and not really formation related. You need to make better decisions and work harder on the press if you're wearing the United shirt. I don't think Sancho or Bruno or Ronaldo were in too foreign a role. Everyone's been begging to see Greenwood centrally and he operated in the very front, or in the 10 of the central 2 - but was pretty atrocious. So was Rashford.
I don't think 4222 is our system for the long term and I don't think Rangnick thinks this either. But if the players actually pull their fingers out then it would likely protect our defence most. It makes sense for him to try and prioritize this after walking in from Ole's thrashings.
If you ask me the biggest culprits are the ones who we are not discussing. The full backs. 4222 is threatening as an attack if the full backs are threatening in their overlaps. Dalot is the most dogshite right back I've seen wear a United shirt, and this is after Darmien. Telles outside of a good cross is doing very little too. If you put anyone, say Regulon/Tierney/James/Alonso/etc. in their roles then I think the XG bumps up maybe by an entire digit than what we normally see.
what an absolutely bizarre comparison.If things don't go well do you often imagine a scenario involving Ole where it would've been even worse?
Say if you don't quite satisfy your missus one evening, do you just think, well Ole would've only lasted two thrusts before he came then wiped his prick on her nightie and went to sleep, so I'm happy? Full marks.
Really? Bailly is always better when he's not actually playing.I get what you are saying but Varane has been out for a month whilst Bailly has played well whenever he has been called upon so I don't get the rush to start a player coming back from a relatively long lay off ahead of someone who has given us the best CB performances this season.
I think people, coaches included, have their first team locked and aren't as open to different ideas or players out of a certain clique and this is hurting us because the chosen ones have allowed complacency to creep in and once it takes hold you can't just turn it off at the flick of the switch. Ralf has come in and seemingly bought into the same idea.
He has done well, take your blinkers offReally? Bailly is always better when he's not actually playing.
He’s had some shaky games as well though, consistency is missing with him.He has done well, take your blinkers off
He is having a shocker at the minute though, but I know what your getting at… I’d definitely give you game time ahead of Martial though in fairness.Maybe Man Utd should just stick me up front and put Rashford on the bench because he is playing poorly. Don’t worry about the fact that I am useless.
He needs to sit on the bench for a few months as an incentive to get better. This will be very helpful to Man Utd’s performances.
Exactly. I would love Bailly to be consistently good, but he isn't. Even at his best, he's always inches or seconds away from disaster. It's simply how he plays the game.He’s had some shaky games as well though, consistency is missing with him.
He plays an unbelievable game and then follows that up immediately with a super shaky performance.
He performs when he’s first brought back in, then can’t really back it up in his next performance. And I actually like the player, so that’s not a dig at him, just frustration that we can’t get the consistency out of him.
Yeah he’s ‘controlled chaos’ even at his best.Exactly. I would love Bailly to be consistently good, but he isn't. Even at his best, he's always inches or seconds away from disaster. It's simply how he plays the game.
I've often wondered if likes of Bailly could do a job in MF? Not become a mf player as such long term. But simply as a sort of cover or something different until we sign someone.Yeah he’s ‘controlled chaos’ even at his best.
Frustrating player as he has the attributes to be a good CB.
This is the only positive I've seen so far. He's clearly instructed our midfield and defence to pass forward more often and there was some really nice balls played into the feet of our attackers in first half yesterday and against Norwich but they didn't make enough of them.There was some encouraging things from last night i liked the way we were fizzing the ball through the lines into the strikers/no10s
Yep. If we're smart we sell Martial and Lingard and buy another CM.People tqlking about deop
I've often wondered if likes of Bailly could do a job in MF? Not become a mf player as such long term. But simply as a sort of cover or something different until we sign someone.
Probably a daft thought but over the years many a player has adapted their game to become a different cog in a team.
When SAF took over I recall him using McGrath in mf. Think we lost the game.
Not saying it has to be Bailly specifically. Maybe AWB, lindelof...
Don't slate me on this I'm just not feeling mcfred and don't currently see alternatives amongst the youth right now.
Likes of Conte are renown for making players better/good in positions. I'm hoping Ralf has the same mindset.
Or just signs someone in the Jan window
I would bring Shaw back now because telles is rather shitRashford does need to be benched for a few months. So does Luke Shaw. A few weeks isn't gonna cut it.
Maybe you're happy with seeing this group of same players play every match but never getting anywhere near the title. But I'm not.
Yeah it’s been debated a lot and the general consensus is that CB’s at that point in their career find it hard to step into a DM role due to the positional requirements (to be a decent DM.)People tqlking about deop
I've often wondered if likes of Bailly could do a job in MF? Not become a mf player as such long term. But simply as a sort of cover or something different until we sign someone.
Probably a daft thought but over the years many a player has adapted their game to become a different cog in a team.
When SAF took over I recall him using McGrath in mf. Think we lost the game.
Not saying it has to be Bailly specifically. Maybe AWB, lindelof...
Don't slate me on this I'm just not feeling mcfred and don't currently see alternatives amongst the youth right now.
Likes of Conte are renown for making players better/good in positions. I'm hoping Ralf has the same mindset.
Or just signs someone in the Jan window
Let's not pretend that he has had an easy ride during these 3 weeks. New staff, not a full squad to work with because of Covid and let's face it very disjointed squad of player who are far off the physical standard players at Utd should be at. Half of the squad wants to leave the rest is in a deep Euro blues. Let's at least give the guy couple of months, he hasn't lost a match and that for me is something to build on and he is at least honest that we just aren't good enough. What do you want realistically? A club that has been in disarray for 8 years won't get fixed in 5 training sessions and 3 weeks of hard running.I'm just asking for signs of improvement or work being done with this group of players. What I have been seeing so far is just more of the same shit show under Ole. I don't even see signs of the team trying to press or trying to build attacks coherently.
It's not a big deal as the guy is an interim anyway and won't be on the touch line next season, but Ralf needs to improve. Both Norwich and Newcastle games were trash and De Gea saved our arses in both of them.
I hated Ole's reign with passion and couldn't wait to see the back of him, gave a breathe of relief when I heard the news of his sacking but I'm not going to pretend Ralf has been doing a good job since he was hired just because I wanted Ole out. He needs to improve the team.
Not sure the tone of this, but that's fine, and I'm very much on board, I said when he came there will be some painful performances until we get any consistency.Right. He's only been here a few weeks and two games have been postponed. He's had the lurgy to contend with and the loss of some of the coaching staff. He's had to evaluate each player to see where and if they fit with his system and he's got until season's end to get us into the CL places and leave the team in decent shape for the new manager.
If I didnt know any better I'd think you came on here to pick a fight instead of discussing the team.So you went from sticking behind Ole (who was in relegation form) after 3 years in the club to moaning about the new manager after only 3 games.
