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Did people here forget the football under LvG or they are new United supporters?
Incredible isn't it.Moyes ahead of Ole
Moaning about time, fecking hell no manager gets time for taking champions to 7th place.
It's not surprising, people love taking extreme sides for some odd reason. Some genius came up with "Worst ever manager in PL".Incredible isn't it.
Still you have fans saying he wasn't backed or was left some sort of non league level squad.
It's horrific revisionism.
It’s not that it doesn’t happen though is it? Moyes was rightfully sacked, but Chelsea finished 10th after they became champions. Leicester - 12th. Klopp was in relegation zone after coming second with Dortmund the previous season.Moyes ahead of Ole
Moaning about time, fecking hell no manager gets time for taking champions to 7th place.
Di Matteo has a UCL. By your logic you will take him over the likes of Ten Hag or Nagelsmann.Mourinho
Van Gaal
Moyes
Ole
Van Gaal has FA Cup +1
Moyes has community shield +1
They won the league and then following season had blip, so they get benefit of doubt.It’s not that it doesn’t happen though is it? Moyes was rightfully sacked, but Chelsea finished 10th after they became champions. Leicester - 12th. Klopp was in relegation zone after coming second with Dortmund the previous season.
Obviously different scenarios, managers and so on, but it’s not like it hasn’t happened before.
He is my favourite post Sir Alex manager inspite of the football. Just for the personality. He only missed out on back to back top 4 on goal difference and got a trophy so he wasn't a total failure.Did people here forget the football under LvG or they are new United supporters?
One spent half a billion & won how many trophies and wasted how many years? Yeah, Moyes is soooooo much worse than Ole, I bet Moyes is sweating now, West Ham are probably going to pull the trigger now Ole is available.One took a team from 1st to 7th, the other took a team from 6th to 3rd to 2nd. They are not even comparable but some people have disdain so fixated in their heads that they are even looking back on Moyes fondly which is completely insane.
What a fecking mental thing to say. Moyes took the champions of England (by 10+ points by the way!), spent more money that we had spent in any of the previous 5/6 years and took us to 7th. He was dreadful during his time with us.One spent half a billion & won how many trophies and wasted how many years? Yeah, Moyes is soooooo much worse than Ole, I bet Moyes is sweating now, West Ham are probably going to pull the trigger now Ole is available.
Most the money he spent was on Mata which he got to take advantage of for how long? was it even 12 weeks? The team Fergie won the league with was absolutely finished, before we knew SAF was about to retire the general consensus was that the team was about to need major surgery & it was a SAF miracle to win that league. Am I saying Moyes did a good job? No, but at least I only had to suffer him for 8 months & at least we didn't get grouped in the CL.What a fecking mental thing to say. Moyes took the champions of England (by 10+ points by the way!), spent more money that we had spent in any of the previous 5/6 years and took us to 7th. He was dreadful during his time with us.
If Rojo is your 4th CB choice that's still utterly incompetent. His ego was to big to realize he need help in the scouting department.Suppose the interesting thing there is how much we blame the managers for the signings under their reign.
For example I'm sure LVG would counter that he was repeatedly given his third and fourth choice picks, as he has publicly said that was the case.
And while Moyes was initially blamed for his disastrous first transfer window, I think it's clear from the windows after him that there were problems above the manager as well.
It wasn't though, it was a team that would have been right up there the following season had SAF stuck around because he knew how to manage the changeover of players. There were older players in the squad but equally there were younger players ready to step up & at the time it looked as though they could step up, it was once Moyes dismantled the coaching team that those younger players fell off. The squad was no where near as bad as it has since been made out to be and Moyes is rightly, by far, our worst manager post-SAF.Most the money he spent was on Mata which he got to take advantage of for how long? was it even 12 weeks? The team Fergie won the league with was absolutely finished, before we knew SAF was about to retire the general consensus was that the team was about to need major surgery & it was a SAF miracle to win that league. Am I saying Moyes did a good job? No, but at least I only had to suffer him for 8 months & at least we didn't get grouped in the CL.
It depends how you want to add it up. They're both abject failures in my eyes so then it comes down to how many years & how much money was wasted on that failure at which point Ole blows Moyes out of the water. You can rate him higher than Moyes if you want, it's not like I rate Moyes' time here at all but at least it was over faster.It wasn't though, it was a team that would have been right up there the following season had SAF stuck around because he knew how to manage the changeover of players. There were older players in the squad but equally there were younger players ready to step up & at the time it looked as though they could step up, it was once Moyes dismantled the coaching team that those younger players fell off. The squad was no where near as bad as it has since been made out to be and Moyes is rightly, by far, our worst manager post-SAF.
This is a bit of revisionism. I remember quite a lot of threads of the quality of the team at that time.It wasn't though, it was a team that would have been right up there the following season had SAF stuck around because he knew how to manage the changeover of players. There were older players in the squad but equally there were younger players ready to step up & at the time it looked as though they could step up, it was once Moyes dismantled the coaching team that those younger players fell off. The squad was no where near as bad as it has since been made out to be and Moyes is rightly, by far, our worst manager post-SAF.
How the hell have you gone from "no where near as bad as it has since been made out to be" to "great squad"?This is a bit of revisionism. I remember quite a lot of threads of the quality of the team at that time.
Our entire defensive line was semi retired and Rooney/RvP on their last legs. Our midfield was also consisting of Cleverley, semi retired Carrick and Fletcher.
It needed major revamp and Woodward stepped in - the rest is history.
Not saying Moyes wasn't shite, but this is quite facetious to claim we had a great squad.
Sorry but, the earlier part is about having good young players coming through. Like who? Januzaj sure but who else? Maybe I'm forgetting some youth worldie we brought through back then but I don't know who you could be talking about.How the hell have you gone from "no where near as bad as it has since been made out to be" to "great squad"?
Also quite a bizarre idea to ignore the previous entirety of the post, given that it gives the bolded statement context. But I appreciate the Caf doesn't like context.
Оk, so without going into extremes, for me it wasn't a good squad. It was aging squad on their last legs for one last hurray. The youth players like Cleverley, Welbeck and co given the hindsight weren't that good.How the hell have you gone from "no where near as bad as it has since been made out to be" to "great squad"?
Also quite a bizarre idea to ignore the previous entirety of the post, given that it gives the bolded statement context. But I appreciate the Caf doesn't like context.
Sorry but, the earlier part is about having good young players coming through. Like who? Januzaj sure but who else? Maybe I'm forgetting some youth worldie we brought through back then but I don't know who you could be talking about.
Januzaj was very, very young at the time, so I'm not really talking about him.Оk, so without going into extremes, for me it wasn't a good squad. It was aging squad on their last legs for one last hurray. The youth players like Cleverley, Welbeck and co given the hindsight weren't that good.
How do you rate this squad objectively?
Really? Jones had already lost his excitement & Smalling was never expected to be a world beater. Evans was good, sure. Rio & Vidic were absolutely finished, Vidic especially after his knee injury. Welbeck was barely mid-table quality & bermused fans even when SAF picked him. Carrick, RVP & Evra in their primes?? Carrick was 32, RVP was 30 & had started to get injuries again, Evra was 33 that season & was letting us get counter attacked constantly down his side because he couldn't recover from going forward any more. Rooney as you said was about to be sold because he was finished. We had Buttner as a LB, only Evans as a decent CB, no midfield whatsoever, almost nothing on the wings & only RVP & Hernandez as strikers. RVP only played 23 games in all competitions all season & Hernandez only got 12 starts in all comps. Sorry but that squad was utter crap.Januzaj was very, very young at the time, so I'm not really talking about him.
I'm talking about the younger players that were in and around the time during SAFs last couple of years, obviously DDG was young but also we had Smalling, Evans & Jones in defence all of whom at different stages had looked capable of stepping up alongside Rio/Vidic. Rafael was still only 22/23 and coming off of his best season for the club. Welbeck wasn't going to be prolific but was becoming an important part of the squad & obviously we had signed Zaha as well. There were critical players who were still in their primes at the time like Carrick, RVP, Evra. Hernandez was scoring regularly too & there was also Rooney although everyone knows SAF was going to sell him.
The centre of midfield was obviously the big problem and I remember it being a running joke on here.
The players who had been being brought through by SAF & the coaching staff almost all fell off a cliff. Players who previously looked perfectly competent in a side battling at the top of the table fell away massively. That is not normal and I put it largely down to the complete change in staffing & removal of the senior players who had been setting the standards almost entirely within 12 months or so. I maintain that had SAF been there the following season we would have challenged again for the title.
I don't really see it that way. The defence was absolutely done. Rio retired the next season, Vidic was fecked after the knee injury, Rooney was a shadow of his own self, RvP injured...Januzaj was very, very young at the time, so I'm not really talking about him.
I'm talking about the younger players that were in and around the time during SAFs last couple of years, obviously DDG was young but also we had Smalling, Evans & Jones in defence all of whom at different stages had looked capable of stepping up alongside Rio/Vidic. Rafael was still only 22/23 and coming off of his best season for the club. Welbeck wasn't going to be prolific but was becoming an important part of the squad & obviously we had signed Zaha as well. There were critical players who were still in their primes at the time like Carrick, RVP, Evra. Hernandez was scoring regularly too & there was also Rooney although everyone knows SAF was going to sell him.
The centre of midfield was obviously the big problem and I remember it being a running joke on here.
The players who had been being brought through by SAF & the coaching staff almost all fell off a cliff. Players who previously looked perfectly competent in a side battling at the top of the table fell away massively. That is not normal and I put it largely down to the complete change in staffing & removal of the senior players who had been setting the standards almost entirely within 12 months or so. I maintain that had SAF been there the following season we would have challenged again for the title.
The point here is just how awful Moyes did with what remains, despite the various qualifiers you want to attach, a title-winning team. And what's more, a title-winning team that genuinely had a shot at the then-record PL points tally going into the home stretch.I don't really see it that way. The defence was absolutely done. Rio retired the next season, Vidic was fecked after the knee injury, Rooney was a shadow of his own self, RvP injured...
Smalling and Jones we have the benefit of hindsight to see now how they turned out to be, but that squad was basically really, really average. Even of Fergie had stayed I don't really believe we could compete next season with City or Pool without serious investment.
/thread1. Mourinho - crap.
2. LvG - worse.
3. Ole/Moyes - the worst.
Clearly not!Was that same squad good enough to stay in the top 4?