Not sure what Arteta has done to justify being 'elite' but sure... I wouldn't personally have Nuno in 'elite', he's a bit too defensive. Dyche should absolutely be in 'criminally underrated' given the job he's done on a stretch Burnley budget. For me:
He’s a good manager as long as he stays at his level and west ham suits him perfectly.Criminally underrated: Moyes
I second this one. It’s mad to put Arteta as elite after one FA Cup and just decent league form. I also think Rodgers deserves it after turning things round at Leicester. It has shown there really is more about him.Not sure what Arteta has done to justify being 'elite' but sure... I wouldn't personally have Nuno in 'elite', he's a bit too defensive. Dyche should absolutely be in 'criminally underrated' given the job he's done on a stretch Burnley budget. For me:
World class: Pep, Klopp
Elite: Carlo, Jose, Rodgers, Bielsa
Potential greatness: Hasenhuttl, Lampard, Potter, Arteta, Nuno
Criminally underrated: Dyche, Wilder
Middle of the road: Moyes, Bruce, Smith, Woy
Sacked soon: Ole, Bilic, Parker
OGS is not an elite manager and never will be. The sooner the club realizes that the better.So last year Leicester had a massive lead on 17 other teams to finish in 3rd yet they sh*t the bed and finished in 5th while Manchester United finished in 3rd yet Rodgers is part of "the elite" and OGS is in the bottom tier? What is the point of this thread than to be yet another OGS bashing thread???
They finished 5 points above relegation last season...He’s a good manager as long as he stays at his level and west ham suits him perfectly.
Exactly, west ham levels mate suits Moyesy perfectly!They finished 5 points above relegation last season...
Elite tier | Pep, Klopp |
Exceeding expectations | Hasenhuttl, Bielsa, Rodgers, Nuno, Arteta |
Par for the course | Hogdson, Jose, Ancelotti, Lampard, Moyes, Potter |
Underperforming | Ole, Bilic, Bruce, Wilder, Dyche, Smith |
Out of their depth | Parker |
Anywhere in my post did I say that he was? What I questioned was how someone like Rodgers can be considered better than Ole when Ole is the one who finished 3rd last year. Can you imagine the meltdown if we were in 3rd place all season only to finish the season in 5th like Leicester did last year???OGS is not an elite manager and never will be. The sooner the club realizes that the better.
I'd go with this list as well. I think there are a few levels missing in between though. Maybe just ‘Potential’ instead of ‘Potential Greatness’ will make more sense for Lampard, Arteta, Hussenhuttl and Potter.Not sure what Arteta has done to justify being 'elite' but sure... I wouldn't personally have Nuno in 'elite', he's a bit too defensive. Dyche should absolutely be in 'criminally underrated' given the job he's done on a stretch Burnley budget. For me:
World class: Pep, Klopp
Elite: Carlo, Jose, Rodgers, Bielsa
Potential greatness: Hasenhuttl, Lampard, Potter, Arteta, Nuno
Criminally underrated: Dyche, Wilder
Middle of the road: Moyes, Bruce, Smith, Woy
Sacked soon: Ole, Bilic, Parker
A) We have a better squad than Leicester, and spent significantly more money than them.Anywhere in my post did I say that he was? What I questioned was how someone like Rodgers can be considered better than Ole when Ole is the one who finished 3rd last year. Can you imagine the meltdown if we were in 3rd place all season only to finish the season in 5th like Leicester did last year???
Do you think Ole is a better manager than Rodgers?Anywhere in my post did I say that he was? What I questioned was how someone like Rodgers can be considered better than Ole when Ole is the one who finished 3rd last year. Can you imagine the meltdown if we were in 3rd place all season only to finish the season in 5th like Leicester did last year???
I know what you mean. Those 15 minutes between new Ole bashing threads felt like 20.Another thread where we can overrate rival managers and bash Ole. Good.
You realise we far better players than Leicester right and a deeper squad? Comparing Ole to Rodgers makes zero sense. Ole hasn’t proved much apart from the odd result and he’s been here 2 years nearly. Nothing about bashing him it’s just facts.So last year Leicester had a massive lead on 17 other teams to finish in 3rd yet they sh*t the bed and finished in 5th while Manchester United finished in 3rd yet Rodgers is part of "the elite" and OGS is in the bottom tier? What is the point of this thread than to be yet another OGS bashing thread???
Pep is one of the greatest in the history of football haha. Isn’t his win percentage like 70 percent usually per season and despite some of his failures recently in the champions league when he gets knocked out the game is usually a classic truth be told.Why is Guardiola world class? Because once he had a fantastic season (benefiting from a packed squad)?
Being world class is of course subjective and may not depend on actual success but I think he is actually underachieving, both in the PL and especially in the CL (being eliminated by weaker teams is the norm).
That's why I wouldn't consider him world class atm, if past is important then Mourinho is also world class (and Ancelotti in cup competitions).
Tbf the bottom tier doesn't seem indicative of the managers skill but seems to be more of a prediction tier based off current form which is hard to argue with. If they did the list pre Arsenal and just post Leipzig no doubt Ole would be higher, they had him "potential to be special last year" apparently.So last year Leicester had a massive lead on 17 other teams to finish in 3rd yet they sh*t the bed and finished in 5th while Manchester United finished in 3rd yet Rodgers is part of "the elite" and OGS is in the bottom tier? What is the point of this thread than to be yet another OGS bashing thread???
This is a sound list but for Lampard who you could argue is underperforming with the insane level of investment by your rents this summer.I'd personally go for something like this
World Class: Pep,Klopp,Ancelotti, Mourinho
Elite Level : Bielsa, Rodgers, Nuno
Potential : Arteta, Lampard, Hussenhuttl, Potter
Underperforming : Ole, Moyes, Dyche
Par For The Course : Roy, Bilic, Wilder,Bruce
Too Early To Call : Parker, Smith
Which one season are you talking about? 2009, 2011, 2014, 2016, 2018, 2019? Just had to clarify, since there were a handful of them.Why is Guardiola world class? Because once he had a fantastic season (benefiting from a packed squad)?
Being world class is of course subjective and may not depend on actual success but I think he is actually underachieving, both in the PL and especially in the CL (being eliminated by weaker teams is the norm).
That's why I wouldn't consider him world class atm, if past is important then Mourinho is also world class (and Ancelotti in cup competitions).
When he won the PL with record of points.Which one season are you talking about? 2009, 2011, 2014, 2016, 2018, 2019? Just had to clarify, since there were a handful of them.
Jose - 2004, 2005, 2006, 2010, 2012, 2015. Guardiola's record seems to be similar to Jose, despite Jose starting his career 8 years before him. So why isn't Baldy world class again?When he won the PL with record of points.
If we go before Man City then Mourinho and Ancelotti are also definitively world class with the amazing seasons they had.
If you notice I said atm, not career wise, because in that case you would also need to put Mourinho and Ancelotti on the top with Guardiola and Klopp.Jose - 2004, 2005, 2006, 2010, 2012, 2015. Guardiola's record seems to be similar to Jose, despite Jose starting his career 8 years before him. So why isn't Baldy world class again?