Rashford and Martial are a problem

Meep

New Member
Newbie
Joined
Jan 2, 2018
Messages
248
Well you shouldn't mix up the 2021 Rashford with 2021 Martial. Rashford fights all day and all night. Even though I feel he sometimes get stuck with his head in the ground running missing obvious passes, ending in a three man defense trap losing the ball. He is always there, having atleast one or two really good efforts and always making the runs and being available for a pass.

Everything Martial isn't doing. Not trying, not running, no energy, no challenging speed into the box which he did så great a period last year. Seems he doesn't want to play. But yet he is still there in the team, not trying. He looks depressed or something. Needs to be challenged and out of the squad for a week or two.. finding the fun and energy.
 

slored1

New Member
Newbie
Joined
May 15, 2016
Messages
1,140
Martial is a much much bigger problem than Rashford. Looking at the games where we played terrible, it's always with Martial in the lineup. WBA, Sheffield, Newcastle, Fulham, even Arsenal. He needs to be benched for a long time.
 

Doracle

Full Member
Joined
Mar 6, 2017
Messages
418
Son does have more both goals and assists than Rashford so gotta give him that.
They both have 6 assists in the league (as do Cresswell and Digne), so it’s wrong on both counts. Cresswell and Digne don’t have more assists than Rashford and neither does Son.
 

Listar

Full Member
Joined
Aug 3, 2014
Messages
1,086

yes Rashford is a problem.
 

Scholsey2004

Full Member
Joined
May 12, 2016
Messages
2,731
Location
Barnsley
Rashford is our second best player and cant credibly be described as a problem at all. Martial on the other hand is. He earns 250k a week but goes long spells without performing. We really should replace him if we're really serious about moving up a level.
 

Yakuza_devils

Full Member
Joined
Oct 30, 2016
Messages
740
Martial is another player like Anderson, Lingard, Jones and etc. We are waiting forever for them to mature and be a top player.

The simple fact is that they are not good enough and we are wasting our time. We need to be more ruthless and moved on. Martial is a very good player on his days but is never consistent.
 

Lee565

Full Member
Joined
Mar 6, 2019
Messages
1,977
The only other option for martial at the moment is to stick him on the right wing considering the other option aren't exactly exceptional and allow Greenwood to be the back striker option for cavani.
 

dcrompton

Full Member
Joined
Mar 17, 2003
Messages
1,023
Location
The Cock of the North
Can see why they are grouped together having identical appearances (253) and almost identical scoring records (Rash 85, Martial 78). It actually looked like last season they had both found their positions (Rash on left and Martial upfront) and with Greenwood emerging on the right it looked like we had sorted our front 3 positions. In terms of goalscoring, only Rashford has carried that through to this season with both Martial (7 goals) and Greenwood (4 goals) having a drastic drop-off from last season. So I agree with other posters that on the basis of this season, Rashford should not be lumped with Martial as not only is his form better, he also gets forced out of his favourite position on the left in order to accommodate a mis-firing Martial. The problem both players have is the inability to score scrappy goals and this is completely down to bad positioning or lack of desire. Players like Rooney or Tevez who chase down every ball with 100% effort still contribute when off form and look like they really care whereas laconic players such as Martial, or Berbatov before him end up looking like they don't care when off-form. Martial is obviously a favourite of Solskjaer's and last season it did look like a good move selling Lukaku and trusting in Martial but this season has to be one of the worst season's I've seen from a starting striker at United, certainly up there with Alexis Sanchez but at least we cut our losses and moved on whereas Martial continues to start games irrespective of performance.
 

noodlehair

"It's like..."
Joined
Apr 1, 2004
Messages
13,463
Location
Flagg
Rashford can still get a lot better which is the only criticism I'd have of him really. He's still very wasteful and very hot and cold. He has the potential to be a 30 goal a season player and up there as one of the best in the world, but he's still got a lot of rough edges to cut out if he's going to reach that level.

He's still going to manage 20 something goals this season, despite being a wide player, and, for reasons that are beyond baffling, being played on the wrong wing a significant amount of the time. That's pretty impressive. I mean I would say he should be aiming for the level of someone like Salah at the moment, but I'm not sure Salah would have 18 goals at this point if Liverpool kept shoving him on the wrong fecking wing so they could stick someone useless in his place.

Martial's perofrmances aren't even Martial's fault anymore.They're Ole's. He's offered absolutely nothing for months and yet still he starts over half our games, often other players are harshly treated or shunted around the team just to fit him in. At this point it is just telling him that it is ok to be completely useless because there is no consequence to it. Its getting fans needlessly on his back because no matter how bad he fails he's pushed back into the pool again. If somepone is waiting to drown instead of trying to swim there's no point leaving them in the water. Take him out and let him work to get back in. If he doesn't want to then you know he isn't made of the right stuff anyway.

Ole has this ridiculous habit of sticking with players even when the rest of the team is being forced to carry them game after game, and he only seems to wake up and change it when an injury or signing forces him to. We have plenty of players you can fit into the team who would offer more at this point. Cavani, Rashford, Greenwood, James, Mata, VDB, Diallo. If your're one of the ones struggling to get a game while Martial is picked time and again then at this point you probably start losing any trust in the manager as well.

I mean he's got 7 goals, and two were at the end of a 9-0 game when he was playing against a team with two players sent off. Another was a pity penalty because Rashford felt sorry for him. I haven't given up on him but it's beyond obvious he needs to be taken out of the first team for a bit.