@harms Can you pin the right-back thread like you did with the others? Would probably get more traffic that way
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Didn't you watch the Copa? He's 36 too...
Didn't do too badly at Psg either, I think he's tightened up defensively as he's aged aswell .
Yeah, sure.
Thanks
definite top 10 to me. Still wondering if I should put him ahead of Amoros, but probably his offensive contribution just ousts the Frenchman. Him and Messi were something else at their heyday.
Right backs top-10 was probably the hardest for me so far. No clear standouts, just so many quality players — often with very different strengths and weaknesses.
I found there to be a pretty clear top 8 after that it was a lot more difficult
already put him in the stoppers thread
I think when the positions are different but they excelled at both you can include them. We've decided to draw a line between right and left fullbacks as they basically play the same role anyway.
The likes of Thuram, Bergomi, Schnellinger, Breitner etc. can easily feature in different lists.
You're totally right to recognise the impact of that team in maximising the level of its star men, but to be fair to Alves he was a one-man flank at Sevilla too.
Whatever Harms said.
Ulterior motive being not wanting players' ranks to fall because a few people didn't add them.
think i prefer to put only one player per position, that's why i didin't include Maldini and Nesta in the stoppers thread.
Your choice
If you mean Andrade the elder, he's ineligible (too old).
@harms I’ve included him as well but here it goes:
Should we include Gentile in that RB list?
Zona mista is pretty specific formation and he shared a lot of traits to a RCB rather than RB, whilst at the national team it was Bergomi who I would consider more at home at the RB position and unless filling in Gentile was always more central.
Should we include Gentile in that RB list?
Zona mista is pretty specific formation and he shared a lot of traits to a RCB rather than RB, whilst at the national team it was Bergomi who I would consider more at home at the RB position and unless filling in Gentile was always more central.
It's the Brazilian RB José Leandro Ferreira. I'll edit my list with his full name.
Those generic South American names 
Sorry!
Sorry!yeah i forgot about him
Disappointing that he hasn't featured on any other list.
For me, absolutely. Zona Mista was more adaptive than the simplistic version we're using in our drafts. Plus, Gentile spent entire seasons playing as a left back — and had some games where he would attack on an overlap.
Yea right! You are fired from the position of my Brazilian footballers consultant.
His PSG days were probably his best as a "defender" and he was truly manning a flank without much support ahead, but then he was not the force he was at Barca.
This is an article I found matched my impression of Alves.
http://www.zonalmarking.net/2011/01/21/dani-alves/
Astonishing. His primary role was in attack with defensive contribution being a secondary responsibility. He did put in a lot of effort defensively, but the tactics he played in made him of a winger with defensive duties than a fullback with attacking duties...in line with expectation of a uber-attacking 3-4-3 formation.
He is still listed as a defender but the team was set up for him to be a winger and the tactical setup helped mask his lack of defensive duties compared to a traditional fullback.
I don't know more about him at Sevilla,but didn't he play a 4-4-2 with a RM ahead of him?
Best version of Alves is from Enrique era, he stopped bombing up every chance he had like he did at Sevilla or under Pep(mind you he was still attacking a lot!) and he slowed his game a bit. Wasnt always in full sprint and automatically his game developed. His use of the ball was much better, his combination play went to GOAT levels and he became a much better defender as well.
@harms when is the deadline for Right Backs?
As per OP, the 6th of August unless people need me to prolong it.
Thanks.. Will post my list before that
This is why you have won so many drafts man!
Yes, Gentile's ability going forward is often overlooked. He played across Juve's back line and even in midfield.
Can see this being really tight in the top 5. Might be the position on the park that generates the most competition among our votes.
Lahm is underrated.
@paulscholes18 can you please check the spelling? And no abbreviations. I'll need to count all that somehow.
Aaron Wan Bissaka
Still can't believe it!Aaron Wan Bissaka
Surely that is a mistake?Aaron Wan Bissaka
It was a joke, not a mistake - but he already changed the list.