SAred
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Is there any reason why United don't make use of these?
Is why don't United have release clauses on their players.What do you mean?
Crazy money in a mad market.You are actually impressed by Chelsea paying a £71m release clause for a relatively unknown keeper?
Because it's not mandatory in England.Is why don't United have release clauses on their players.
We have. It is just that they are set to infinite.Is there any reason why United don't make use of these?
So United could if they wanted to then.Because it's not mandatory in England.
It's not mandatory. Why would we willingly put them in?Is why don't United have release clauses on their players.
Why do something what is not good for you?So United could if they wanted to then.
Yeah but it doesn't make any senseSo United could if they wanted to then.
Players like Martial, Rashford and Pogba is pretty much an asset. Big clubs like United won't put a price on any of their treasured players because they want to have the upper hand on transfers.Is there any reason why United don't make use of these?
Why would we want to when they are not mandatory? In effect, we have set release clauses at infinite for each player. This protects us more than setting them to x amount of money.So United could if they wanted to then.
No. Spanish teams get around the rule by having ridiculous release clauses, but obviously the big clubs get caught out on occasion - Figo and Neymar come to mind.For what its worth, this model should really be a rule in football.
Cap the maximum fee, every player has a clause, everyone knows where they stand. None of this 'preparing a bid' bullshit.
Yes, because you don't do something that could harm you unless the law necessitates it.Is there any reason why United don't make use of these?
So PSG could Neymar us?So United could if they wanted to then.
So here we have Barca sniffing around Pogba, he is unsettled not saying he is but for argument sake, he wants to leave. United don't want to sell but don't want to have an unhappy player on board so they have a release clause set at say 180 million. United say to Paul's agent that's the figure if it is activated we won't stand in his way. So Pogba now knows that United are not standing in his way of a move but United don't receive that figure so keep the player. Paul is happy that United have at least given the buying team a chance so he does not sulk and blames Barca for not meeting his realistic figure. Not a Modric or infinite figure but realistic figure.Why would we want to when they are not mandatory? In effect, we have set release clauses at infinite for each player. This protects us more than setting them to x amount of money.
Release clause doesn't mean that the player goes for the release clause. It just means that if some club pays it and player accepts, the selling club has no power to stop the transfer. For this reason, Real (and Barca after Neymar) puts impossible release clauses on their players.
So we could as well just ask Barca to pay 180 mil...?So here we have Barca sniffing around Pogba, he is unsettled not saying he is but for argument sake, he wants to leave. United don't want to sell but don't want to have an unhappy player on board so they have a release clause set at say 180 million. United say to Paul's agent that's the figure if it is activated we won't stand in his way. So Pogba now knows that United are not standing in his way of a move but United don't receive that figure so keep the player. Paul is happy that United have at least given the buying team a chance so he does not sulk and blames Barca for not meeting his realistic figure. Not a Modric or infinite figure but realistic figure.
Of coarse but we don't want to sell so the release clause which is built in gives a buying team the option to buy a player that does not want to be here. Its pointless keeping an unhappy player no matter how good.So we could as well just ask Barca to pay 180 mil...?
And what if the market inflates over the course of the contract and £180 mil becomes the cost of a good midfielder rather than world class. We balked at the thought of paying up to £50 million for Martial not so long ago. Now we wouldn't accept less than £100 mil despite some question marks over drive and dedication.So here we have Barca sniffing around Pogba, he is unsettled not saying he is but for argument sake, he wants to leave. United don't want to sell but don't want to have an unhappy player on board so they have a release clause set at say 180 million. United say to Paul's agent that's the figure if it is activated we won't stand in his way. So Pogba now knows that United are not standing in his way of a move but United don't receive that figure so keep the player. Paul is happy that United have at least given the buying team a chance so he does not sulk and blames Barca for not meeting his realistic figure. Not a Modric or infinite figure but realistic figure.
But you've said yourself that Barca wouldn't pay the 180 mil because it's too much so it doesn't really matter if it's the clause that's 180 or us asking 180 in the end, now does it?Of coarse but we don't want to sell so the release clause which is built in gives a buying team the option to buy a player that does not want to be here. Its pointless keeping an unhappy player no matter how good.
Why would you buy a 23-year old with room to improve and set his release clause £10m higher than what you've just paid though, that would just be plain stupid. Release clauses do no harm if used effectively, e.g. no one will pay €500m for Umtiti and even if he gets ridiculously overhyped and someone is stupid enough to pay it, you can buy 5 great defenders with the money you've received.But you've said yourself that Barca wouldn't pay the 180 mil because it's too much so it doesn't really matter if it's the clause that's 180 or us asking 180 in the end, now does it?
I mean, imagine we put 100 mil clause into Pogba, a year later Mbappe/Neymar happen and 100 mil clause is laughable money and we're basically getting robbed because somebody activates it, what then?
We can do the same now. Pretend that we have 180m release clause, and start negotiations with the minimum amount of money we are expected to accept be 180m. But on negotiations try to get more.So here we have Barca sniffing around Pogba, he is unsettled not saying he is but for argument sake, he wants to leave. United don't want to sell but don't want to have an unhappy player on board so they have a release clause set at say 180 million. United say to Paul's agent that's the figure if it is activated we won't stand in his way. So Pogba now knows that United are not standing in his way of a move but United don't receive that figure so keep the player. Paul is happy that United have at least given the buying team a chance so he does not sulk and blames Barca for not meeting his realistic figure. Not a Modric or infinite figure but realistic figure.
Why do it though? If we're willing to sell him for 180m today, we could just say that we'll sell at 180. Then next year we can decide what the number is. Why reduce your own flexibility? It's done at initial contract as part of the negotiation, in the same way as a salary is set. In fact salary v clause v contract length is a common trade-off in Spain.Maybe but lets say in Paul's case 180 million is more than realistic even in today's madness. And the figures wont be thumb sucked managers will get involved etc.
Player's demand to set it to X amount or else he won't sign pretty much is the first thing that springs to my mind.Why would you buy a 23-year old with room to improve and set his release clause £10m higher than what you've just paid though, that would just be plain stupid. Release clauses do no harm if used effectively, e.g. no one will pay €500m for Umtiti and even if he gets ridiculously overhyped and someone is stupid enough to pay it, you can buy 5 great defenders with the money you've received.
Barça should've recognized they were in trouble since €220m wasn't that high for a player like Neymar. Seems like everyone has learned from it since, I think Asensio's is €700m now so basically a clause doesn't even exist.
I think that (Atletic Bilbao) is the one exception. They have that all Basque rule, and more money than they need, whatever fee they get they cannot usually reinvest in players. So they insist that the buying club meet the release clause. And they also do it so that they can tell their fans that they turned down all offers, but that the player abandoned their project.Crazy money in a mad market.
Surely that would depend on the level of the cap.No. Spanish teams get around the rule by having ridiculous release clauses, but obviously the big clubs get caught out on occasion - Figo and Neymar come to mind.
If you capped the clause, then the smaller teams would just get picked off every summer.